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Post by ahglock on Nov 8, 2019 2:46:17 GMT
and where we want to go next. Back to the Milky Way? Could be one of the tweets showed concept art they never got to use but wanted to, the ship in it was the normandy
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Post by natetrace on Nov 8, 2019 3:19:59 GMT
I guess we heard something. All I can think of is the episode of Seinfeld with Kramer as the moviefone guy. 2018: we get to come into work everyday and dream of what the next Mass Effect will be. 2019: Why don't you just tell us what you want the next Mass Effect to be.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 8, 2019 4:42:25 GMT
and where we want to go next. Back to the Milky Way? Hell no.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 8, 2019 4:44:12 GMT
I know, right? Raycevick did a great job explaining why Andromeda failed, and even explains multiple points on how ME1 is superior to it. His Andromeda video is amazingly well done like all his videos, and I think some people need to watch it. I'll leave it here, and hopefully, they watch at least a "small" snippet from 41:15 to 50:21... And if even that section is too long, I recommend at least watching from 46:06 to 49:04. Andromeda didnt fail.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 8, 2019 4:45:28 GMT
Could be one of the tweets showed concept art they never got to use but wanted to, the ship in it was the normandy I seriously doubt we'd go back to the MW and the Normandy. Its unused concept art plain and simple.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 8, 2019 4:51:07 GMT
Could be one of the tweets showed concept art they never got to use but wanted to, the ship in it was the normandy I seriously doubt we'd go back to the MW and the Normandy. Its unused concept art plain and simple. Lost stories filling in unused time has been done before in games. And given how badly Andromeda was received, going back to the MW isn't that farfetched. Do they want to mimic the trilogy which is loved by and large outside the ending, or Andromeda which being generous isn't loved by most of their audience. I'm fine either way, but I'm not going to ignore how poorly received Andromeda was.
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Post by michaeln7 on Nov 8, 2019 5:59:24 GMT
I just read that article an hour ago.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2019 6:20:35 GMT
I seriously doubt we'd go back to the MW and the Normandy. Its unused concept art plain and simple. Lost stories filling in unused time has been done before in games. There’s no time for them to fill in though with Shepard and the Normandy. It’s all accounted for with no room for another story (that for some reason wouldn’t be referenced).
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Post by Ascend on Nov 8, 2019 9:29:40 GMT
I know, right? Raycevick did a great job explaining why Andromeda failed, and even explains multiple points on how ME1 is superior to it. His Andromeda video is amazingly well done like all his videos, and I think some people need to watch it. I'll leave it here, and hopefully, they watch at least a "small" snippet from 41:15 to 50:21... And if even that section is too long, I recommend at least watching from 46:06 to 49:04. Andromeda didnt fail. Riiiiight... And water isn't wet.
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Post by correctamundo on Nov 8, 2019 10:14:27 GMT
Riiiiight... And water isn't wet. No, actually water is wet and Andromeda did "really well".
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Post by Ascend on Nov 8, 2019 11:25:54 GMT
Riiiiight... And water isn't wet. No, actually water is wet and Andromeda did "really well". Being the cause for putting the franchise on ice is not what we can call a success or doing really well.
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Post by tatann on Nov 8, 2019 11:48:13 GMT
No, actually water is wet and Andromeda did "really well". Being the cause for putting the franchise on ice is not what we can call a success or doing really well. Zealots will say it's what the franchise needed
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Post by jclosed on Nov 8, 2019 11:56:53 GMT
No, actually water is wet and Andromeda did "really well". Being the cause for putting the franchise on ice is not what we can call a success or doing really well. They putted it on ice, because they needed everybody to make the next big game a huge success...... And failed with that dramatically..
Honestly - In my humble opinion they could have "repaired" Andromeda by making some good DLC's that wrapped up all loose ends. And I think they could have made enough money by that to be able to delay Anthem long enough to make it at least somewhat decent. Making DLC's for Andromeda would also gave room for fresh new reviews, where all those silly bugs could be pronounced gone. It would at least give a nice sales boost of the original game. A bit like the "No Mans Sky revival" effect.
In my opinion putting Andromeda on ice was not the smartest decision. They wanted to put it away fast, because they fully trusted Anthem would make up for all the losses generated by icing Andromeda. Well - we all have seen how that ship sailed...
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Post by tatann on Nov 8, 2019 12:04:28 GMT
Being the cause for putting the franchise on ice is not what we can call a success or doing really well. They putted it on ice, because they needed everybody to make the next big game a huge success...... And failed with that dramatically..
Honestly - In my humble opinion they could have "repaired" Andromeda by making some good DLC's that wrapped up all loose ends. And I think they could have made enough money by that to be able to delay Anthem long enough to make it at least somewhat decent. Making DLC's for Andromeda would also gave room for fresh new reviews, where all those silly bugs could be pronounced gone. It would at least give a nice sales boost of the original game. A bit like the "No Mans Sky revival" effect.
In my opinion putting Andromeda on ice was not the smartest decision. They wanted to put it away fast, because they fully trusted Anthem would make up for all the losses generated by icing Andromeda. Well - we all have seen how that ship sailed... Or maybe newBioware doesn't care about the quality of their releases, and they only care about quick cashgrabs through marketing and surprise mechanics / whales
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Nov 8, 2019 12:57:01 GMT
"To anyone curious, the majority of replies to Mike Gamble's tweet-question heavily favour Andromeda as the next game's setting."
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 13:17:56 GMT
Of course, the actual argument is that going back to the MW won't work. The plan does ask an awful lot of the casuals. Note that both sides can be right here. Maybe there's no such thing as a viable ME5. What else have they got? After Dragon Age? Are they gonna make Anthem 2? There's no new IP in the works. Either they make a ME that works, or they become the Dragon Age studio. Provided DA4 is well received, as well. Or if DA4 isn't even the end of the franchise. Back to miking franchises that are already concluded dry with outa rear-pulled stories. They'll need to come up with a game. New Mass Effect is a game and after Dragon Age, it's the only thing they've got. Maybe the *rumoured* Anthem relaunch set to happen sometime in Feb-March 2020 will fix everything and carry them over for the next decade. I personally find it doubtful, but it is possible.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 8, 2019 13:49:13 GMT
Being the cause for putting the franchise on ice is not what we can call a success or doing really well. They putted it on ice, because they needed everybody to make the next big game a huge success...... And failed with that dramatically..
Honestly - In my humble opinion they could have "repaired" Andromeda by making some good DLC's that wrapped up all loose ends. And I think they could have made enough money by that to be able to delay Anthem long enough to make it at least somewhat decent. Making DLC's for Andromeda would also gave room for fresh new reviews, where all those silly bugs could be pronounced gone. It would at least give a nice sales boost of the original game. A bit like the "No Mans Sky revival" effect.
In my opinion putting Andromeda on ice was not the smartest decision. They wanted to put it away fast, because they fully trusted Anthem would make up for all the losses generated by icing Andromeda. Well - we all have seen how that ship sailed... Exactly how I feel MEA needed DLC's once they frinished ironing out all the kinks. EA just needed people working on other gaames that for me is why MEA got abandoned not because it did poorly. Icing Andromeda and MEA probably wasn't the smartest move on EA and Bioware's part but it's the choice they made and we have to live with that. At the end of the day though I'm happy with what we got in Andromeda for the most part. Granted it's not Bioware's strongest but I'v played games I've consdidered far worse. Games which also got worse ratings as well. I think Andromeda achieved in the main areas it was meant to achieve which was to take the series in a nwe direction and to tell a different kind of story. Which for me is something that was needed after the trilogy so in that sense for me I'd say Andromeda didn't fail it succeeeded.
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Post by Ascend on Nov 8, 2019 13:51:11 GMT
"To anyone curious, the majority of replies to Mike Gamble's tweet-question heavily favour Andromeda as the next game's setting." And I have no problem with that. What they call it, who the protagonist is, which galaxy it is in, are all irrelevant to me. Those are side-issues that are a distraction on what truly represents the Mass Effect games. Quality will be provided when the protagonist is relatable, when the universe is interesting and when filler content is kept to a minimum.
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Post by Ascend on Nov 8, 2019 14:06:21 GMT
They putted it on ice, because they needed everybody to make the next big game a huge success...... And failed with that dramatically.. Honestly - In my humble opinion they could have "repaired" Andromeda by making some good DLC's that wrapped up all loose ends. And I think they could have made enough money by that to be able to delay Anthem long enough to make it at least somewhat decent. Making DLC's for Andromeda would also gave room for fresh new reviews, where all those silly bugs could be pronounced gone. It would at least give a nice sales boost of the original game. A bit like the "No Mans Sky revival" effect.
In my opinion putting Andromeda on ice was not the smartest decision. They wanted to put it away fast, because they fully trusted Anthem would make up for all the losses generated by icing Andromeda. Well - we all have seen how that ship sailed... Exactly how I feel MEA needed DLC's once they frinished ironing out all the kinks. EA just needed people working on other gaames that for me is why MEA got abandoned not because it did poorly. Icing Andromeda and MEA probably wasn't the smartest move on EA and Bioware's part but it's the choice they made and we have to live with that. At the end of the day though I'm happy with what we got in Andromeda for the most part. Granted it's not Bioware's strongest but I'v played games I've consdidered far worse. Games which also got worse ratings as well. I think Andromeda achieved in the main areas it was meant to achieve which was to take the series in a nwe direction and to tell a different kind of story. Which for me is something that was needed after the trilogy so in that sense for me I'd say Andromeda didn't fail it succeeeded. For the bold part, I refer you to this post, and I recommend you to watch the video from 46:06 to 49:04 (less than 3 minutes long), and tell me again it's really a new story. Aside from all the parallels mentioned in the video, I also mentioned a few of them earlier in this post. Quoting it; It's quite clear that exaltation is practically the same thing as indoctrination of the original trilogy, except done in a different manner and maybe for a different purpose. The Jardaan are either a new form of reapers, or the Protheans, but again, it's the same initial setup. The Scourge is the same concept as the Dark Energy plot that was ultimately dropped. The remnant vaults are basically Prothean Beacons that change the weather. It's all the same mysteries in a different package, and there are many more, including characters. Even Anthem has the same setup of some mysterious ancient race leaving stuff behind. BioWare has only one story left to tell apparently.
Nothing new. That does not mean that Andromeda did not set up many possibilities. It did. But none of it is really original or new. And there is nothing to indicate they are actually capable of making things interesting (again). Andromeda failed. The ones that don't agree are simply in denial. Andromeda is a failure in all possible and relevant ways. The most evident point of that is that the studio got closed. What other evidence do you need? I don't buy the argument of everyone needing to move to another project to make sure it's big and good. If you really need everyone to make the next game a big success, you don't start by firing a bunch of them.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 8, 2019 14:19:34 GMT
Exactly how I feel MEA needed DLC's once they frinished ironing out all the kinks. EA just needed people working on other gaames that for me is why MEA got abandoned not because it did poorly. Icing Andromeda and MEA probably wasn't the smartest move on EA and Bioware's part but it's the choice they made and we have to live with that. At the end of the day though I'm happy with what we got in Andromeda for the most part. Granted it's not Bioware's strongest but I'v played games I've consdidered far worse. Games which also got worse ratings as well. I think Andromeda achieved in the main areas it was meant to achieve which was to take the series in a nwe direction and to tell a different kind of story. Which for me is something that was needed after the trilogy so in that sense for me I'd say Andromeda didn't fail it succeeeded.For the bold part, I refer you to this post, and I recommend you to watch the video from 46:06 to 49:04 (less than 3 minutes long), and tell me again it's really a new story. Aside from all the parallels mentioned in the video, I also mentioned a few of them earlier in this post. Quoting it; It's quite clear that exaltation is practically the same thing as indoctrination of the original trilogy, except done in a different manner and maybe for a different purpose. The Jardaan are either a new form of reapers, or the Protheans, but again, it's the same initial setup. The Scourge is the same concept as the Dark Energy plot that was ultimately dropped. The remnant vaults are basically Prothean Beacons that change the weather. It's all the same mysteries in a different package, and there are many more, including characters. Even Anthem has the same setup of some mysterious ancient race leaving stuff behind. BioWare has only one story left to tell apparently.
Nothing new. That does not mean that Andromeda did not set up many possibilities. It did. But none of it is really original or new. And there is nothing to indicate they are actually capable of making things interesting (again). Andromeda failed. The ones that don't agree are simply in denial. Andromeda is a failure in all possible and relevant ways. The most evident point of that is that the studio got closed. What other evidence do you need? I don't buy the argument of everyone needing to move to another project to make sure it's big and good. If you really need everyone to make the next game a big success, you don't start by firing a bunch of them. Your opinion perhaps but certainly not mine and I don't need to se the vid as I've already seen it ages ago I just disagree with it. AlsoI believe th emajority of them were moved not fired some were moved t oAnthem the rest I believe got moved to Battlefront 2. Some were let go yes but most were moved to other projects either within Bioware or elsewhere in EA
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 14:46:41 GMT
Could be one of the tweets showed concept art they never got to use but wanted to, the ship in it was the normandy I saw that, too. Yeah. A little telling, that was. But I think it was more to the location being used, rather than the ship itself. It does go to show that none of the art appeared to be Andromeda related. Not that it can't be repurposed, but it's clear that the bridge, for now, remains burnt. "To anyone curious, the majority of replies to Mike Gamble's tweet-question heavily favour Andromeda as the next game's setting." Twitter is not an accurate representation and the sample size engaged also isn't. I get that the people that liked it, really liked it and want more of it and should get it, but unless they are really into an abruptly cut off duology, I would recommend they hold off for now.
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Post by Ascend on Nov 8, 2019 15:05:04 GMT
I don't need to se the vid as I've already seen it ages ago I just disagree with it You cannot disagree with facts. Well, technically you can, but it doesn't work in your favor. The parallels between the story of the original trilogy and Andromeda, and even Anthem, are uncanny. It's the same unknown-species-left-advanced-tech-behind story setup. You can disagree, but that's simply how it is. AlsoI believe th emajority of them were moved not fired some were moved t oAnthem the rest I believe got moved to Battlefront 2. Some were let go yes but most were moved to other projects either within Bioware or elsewhere in EA *sigh* Released in March 2017, Andromeda was at the center of controversy of equal proportions, if not higher than that around the third chapter; starting with heavy criticisms that were addressed before the video game was released[35] to the lukewarm response received by the specialized press and the fandom[36] with sales lower than the previous Mass Effect chapters.[37] Given the circumstances Electronic Arts has reportedly frozen the entire Mass Effect series, downgrading the BioWare Montréal branch from a leading development team to a support team,[38] and later merging it into EA Motive altogether.[39]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare#cite_note-38The first action was down-sizing the studio, i.e. firing people. I guess I'm done here. I'm tired of dealing with a bunch of people sticking their head in the sand.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 15:23:54 GMT
As much as I'd like the lack of further bastardization of the Milky Way any more than we've already got, Andromeda was so devastatingly bad for the franchise, it was put on ice. That means that, from a financial standpoint, an Andromeda 2 is a no go. Whether you, personally, consider it not a failure is irrelevant, because as demonstrated by a recent example, there is no way forward for a certain iteration, after being put on ice. If we do get a sequel to Andromeda, it will be unrecognizable to the Andromeda we originally got. This leaves no room for interpretation. The Andromeda 2 that the people here want and on Twitter, as a direct sequel to Ryder's story, is irreconcilably lost, due to the original's reception. If this weren't true, I can assure you, I would guarantee you, Andromeda 2 would already be in the making.
But what's even more worrying right now, is where the franchise is headed. I really, really want the live service thing to die off from gaming as a whole, but I'd be okay with it just going back to sports games and mobile freemium. I don't want "Anthem with Biotics".
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 15:37:51 GMT
Of course, the actual argument is that going back to the MW won't work. The plan does ask an awful lot of the casuals. Note that both sides can be right here. Maybe there's no such thing as a viable ME5. What else have they got? After Dragon Age? Are they gonna make Anthem 2? There's no new IP in the works. How do you know that? I mean, it's possible, but what's that statement based on?
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