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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2019 18:18:20 GMT
Your conclusions don't actually follow. Mostly because they're vague blather. Define "unrecognizable." Define "technological gap." Stop feeding the troll. When someone's piling up nonsense, I'll hand him shovels all day. (I'm not proud.)
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 18:27:58 GMT
As EA estimates it, the franchise had a catastrophic failure. Meaning that everything that Andromeda did is unsalvageable. There is no way going forward with that iteration, as it were produced. How do we know that? Because ME was put on ice. Why does that matter? Because we know what being "on ice" means. It doesn't mean the franchise won't be back, but it will be unrecognizable to its latest iteration. Maybe they will chose to skip everything that would have happened in the Andromeda 1-3 trilogy and go on from there, a hundred to a thousand years in the future, but the technological gap that presents itself in such a case, is going to make Mass Effect a very, very different setting. Your conclusions don't actually follow. Mostly because they're vague blather. Define "unrecognizable." Define "technological gap." Unrecognizable: None of the staples pertaining to that iteration, including characters locations, factions etc. Think of Andromeda, but rebooted in a way that everything that you know about it is gone. And I mean everything. Ryder, Liam, Peebee, Suvi, Lexi, everyone and everything. It's trashed.
Technological gap: We've established a certain level of technology achieved in ME. Vehicles, ships, weapons, armors etc. Set a new Andromeda so far remote in the future, none of these established technologies are relevant any longer. Freed from Mass Effect technology and the Reaper evolutionary path, the technology must have developed in such wild and unprecedented ways that "Mass Effect" in itself is no longer relevant to the setting, for anything other than Biotics.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 18:32:15 GMT
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 8, 2019 18:35:22 GMT
Seeing as "hater" has been worn out, I guess "troll" is the new BioWare fanboy slang.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2019 18:45:29 GMT
In a way, yes. Since if you aren’t trolling, I am concerned for you.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 18:46:40 GMT
In a way, yes. Since if you aren’t trolling, I am concerned for you. Aw! That's so sweet. Love you too.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 8, 2019 19:26:40 GMT
Well, happy belated N7 day everyone. Just saw Casey's Tweet with "so much concept art that hasn't yet been brought to life, and so many stories yet to tell." Honestly, I wish he'd just stfu. As long as they can't tell us that they are really working on something concrete N7 day should be suspended. I already thought their BS trailer from last year was crap and the tweet this year certainly isn't better. Worst of all, now they are using the day to sell ME themed skins in Anthem for ridiculous prices, hoping to scam some more money out of the old fans in this game of theirs that was a big failure. I certainly don't need this. /rant
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 19:29:04 GMT
AnDromedary Let it all out, brother. We're here for you.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 8, 2019 19:35:02 GMT
AnDromedary Let it all out, brother. We're here for you. Thanks! Gotta be done sometimes.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2019 19:38:54 GMT
E3 2014 is when it was first "officially" announced there was a third IP: It was an open secret before that, though I don't have a specific date when it was leaked. OK. So, five years between announcement and release? When are we thinking a hypothetical new IP game could come out? 2025? But yeah, they'd likely have leaked something by now. 2025 at the absolute earliest. And still likely a couple years later, since there hasn't been a whisper about a new IP. Heck, there's really no indication of a new Mass Effect game. And barely any movement on Dragon Age.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 9, 2019 0:30:07 GMT
So ... quite ironically, the most interesting N7 Day content this year is coming from none other than Mac Walters: I still think he's not a great writer and most of his ideas and views on lore and how to approach it are pretty crappy but it was very interesting to hear his perspective on these things and there were a few cases where I at least now have a better idea where he was coming from. So for answering those questions.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 9, 2019 0:31:58 GMT
The case for going back to the MW has been about the casuals ever since it became clear to Shepard fans that they were in the minority among ME fans. Objection, unquantifiable. Not to mention demonstrably wrong. Yeah I suspect it’s more most of the fans who didn’t like andromeda have ghosted mass effect entirely by now.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 9, 2019 0:45:39 GMT
Lost stories filling in unused time has been done before in games. There’s no time for them to fill in though with Shepard and the Normandy. It’s all accounted for with no room for another story (that for some reason wouldn’t be referenced). One month between mass effect 1 and 2 where you were hunting geth, though you can make the story more than that. 6 months between 2 and 3. Given mass effect 1 is a story that probably took a few weeks time in universe a month is a long time.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 9, 2019 3:47:48 GMT
The case for going back to the MW has been about the casuals ever since it became clear to Shepard fans that they were in the minority among ME fans. Objection, unquantifiable. Not to mention demonstrably wrong. Or maybe they're just more people who liked Andromeda than you think.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 9, 2019 3:49:12 GMT
Seeing as "hater" has been worn out, I guess "troll" is the new BioWare fanboy slang. Meh if liking a game makes me a "fanboy" than so be it. I much rather be having fun.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 9, 2019 5:12:29 GMT
Seeing as "hater" has been worn out, I guess "troll" is the new BioWare fanboy slang. Meh if liking a game makes me a "fanboy" than so be it. I much rather be having fun. And I would rather enjoy playing games and having fun from different gaming developers, rather than frantically following just one gaming developer.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 9, 2019 5:27:16 GMT
Ok, ok, I have to make a correction to my post from above. Forget Mac Walters. The modding community owns this year's N7 day by a long shot: Even if you are not into modding, watch for HULK KROGAN! (love him. )
But seriously, it's really impressive what is still created for these games after all this time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 9, 2019 5:53:02 GMT
There’s no time for them to fill in though with Shepard and the Normandy. It’s all accounted for with no room for another story (that for some reason wouldn’t be referenced). One month between mass effect 1 and 2 where you were hunting geth, though you can make the story more than that. 6 months between 2 and 3. Given mass effect 1 is a story that probably took a few weeks time in universe a month is a long time. All the games in the Shepard Trilogy took place over several months. And that six months between 2 and 3 are accounted for: Shepard was under house arrest.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 9, 2019 6:53:01 GMT
As much as I'd like the lack of further bastardization of the Milky Way any more than we've already got, Andromeda was so devastatingly bad for the franchise, it was put on ice. That means that, from a financial standpoint, an Andromeda 2 is a no go. Whether you, personally, consider it not a failure is irrelevant, because as demonstrated by a recent example, there is no way forward for a certain iteration, after being put on ice. If we do get a sequel to Andromeda, it will be unrecognizable to the Andromeda we originally got. This leaves no room for interpretation. The Andromeda 2 that the people here want and on Twitter, as a direct sequel to Ryder's story, is irreconcilably lost, due to the original's reception. If this weren't true, I can assure you, I would guarantee you, Andromeda 2 would already be in the making.
But what's even more worrying right now, is where the franchise is headed. I really, really want the live service thing to die off from gaming as a whole, but I'd be okay with it just going back to sports games and mobile freemium. I don't want "Anthem with Biotics".
You dont k how that it's all assumption based on your hatred of Andromeda. Imho it's the way forward and I'm not alone.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 9, 2019 7:30:58 GMT
Meh if liking a game makes me a "fanboy" than so be it. I much rather be having fun. And I would rather enjoy playing games and having fun from different gaming developers, rather than frantically following just one gaming developer. Okay? Most people who are fans of Bioware are fans of other developers as well.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 9, 2019 9:06:14 GMT
Yeah I suspect it’s more most of the fans who didn’t like andromeda have ghosted mass effect entirely by now. THIS.
All the people I know personally who loved Bioware games simply don't care anymore. They've moved on. All but one who, yes, liked Andromeda. Didn't love it but liked it well enough to be sad no DLC was made.
One of the biggest Mass Effect fans out there among my friends never even played MEA because the writing was on the wall before the game was even released. He stopped caring about New Bioware years ago.
This may be anecdotal evidence but I'd bet money the only fans left now who bother to read the latest news are those who liked MEA and the toxic disappointed "fans" who can't let go and move on. So of course the real positive fanbase wants MEA2 instead of another Shepard game. Because those are the only fans left!
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 9, 2019 9:48:48 GMT
Looks like Mass Effect is clearly in the works.
2025 maybe... (Dragon Age first)
Not dead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 12:16:32 GMT
Yeah I suspect it’s more most of the fans who didn’t like andromeda have ghosted mass effect entirely by now. THIS.
All the people I know personally who loved Bioware games simply don't care anymore. They've moved on. All but one who, yes, liked Andromeda. Didn't love it but liked it well enough to be sad no DLC was made.
One of the biggest Mass Effect fans out there among my friends never even played MEA because the writing was on the wall before the game was even released. He stopped caring about New Bioware years ago.
This may be anecdotal evidence but I'd bet money the only fans left now who bother to read the latest news are those who liked MEA and the toxic disappointed "fans" who can't let go and move on. So of course the real positive fanbase wants MEA2 instead of another Shepard game. Because those are the only fans left!
So, they start into this next game with a smaller fan base. I don't see it as a reason for them to offend their ME:A fan base by trying to chase fans they no longer have. Those ex-fans are not going to come back just because Bioware slaps Shepard's name into the PC slot and they are not going to come back just because the next game is set in the Milky Way. They need to attract brand new fans AND keep those fans they do have right now. If they tweeted a question as to the preferred location of the next game and the answer came back as Andromeda, then they should run with a new game in Andromeda in order to keep that smaller fan base intact. However, they absolutely need to make it a great game. To do that, they need to make it project that absolute captures the imaginations of their STAFF first and foremost. All the rest of us can to is wait to see what happens... and take heart that at least the franchise itself is NOT DEAD, but it is very likely going to be a long wait.
In the meantime, there might be a reamaster (not likely a remake, but a remaster of the OT done for the next gen consoles)... but I don't expect them to make sweeping changes to the OT's story in that process. The OT is what it is... like it or not.
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Post by obatalaryder on Nov 9, 2019 12:21:37 GMT
Shouldn't take more than 5 years for a straight up sequel to Andromeda, imo.
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Post by obatalaryder on Nov 9, 2019 12:42:53 GMT
THIS.
All the people I know personally who loved Bioware games simply don't care anymore. They've moved on. All but one who, yes, liked Andromeda. Didn't love it but liked it well enough to be sad no DLC was made.
One of the biggest Mass Effect fans out there among my friends never even played MEA because the writing was on the wall before the game was even released. He stopped caring about New Bioware years ago.
This may be anecdotal evidence but I'd bet money the only fans left now who bother to read the latest news are those who liked MEA and the toxic disappointed "fans" who can't let go and move on. So of course the real positive fanbase wants MEA2 instead of another Shepard game. Because those are the only fans left!
So, they start into this next game with a smaller fan base. I don't see it as a reason for them to offend their ME:A fan base by trying to chase fans they no longer have. Those ex-fans are not going to come back just because Bioware slaps Shepard's name into the PC slot and they are not going to come back just because the next game is set in the Milky Way. They need to attract brand new fans AND keep those fans they do have right now. If they tweeted a question as to the preferred location of the next game and the answer came back as Andromeda, then they should run with a new game in Andromeda in order to keep that smaller fan base intact. However, they absolutely need to make it a great game. To do that, they need to make it project that absolute captures the imaginations of their STAFF first and foremost. All the rest of us can to is wait to see what happens... and take heart that at least the franchise itself is NOT DEAD, but it is very likely going to be a long wait.
In the meantime, there might be a reamaster (not likely a remake, but a remaster of the OT done for the next gen consoles)... but I don't expect them to make sweeping changes to the OT's story in that process. The OT is what it is... like it or not.
Those "fans" are forever stuck in 2010-2012. Not realizing franchises are going to always continue on to garner new fans. I doubt the Super Mario fans from the 80's are the same ones fuelling the modern day success of modern day Super Mario games. I don't think Bioware needs the same core of over 30 somethings that were there since 2007. That's 12 years ago, and clearly those "fans" that can't let go of what happened in 2012 AREN'T actually fans anymore. Just resentful customers. I actually jumped into ME around 2015. And I too as well have been seeing lots of recent fans saying Bioware just continue with Andromeda. All Bioware needs is a smash hit with Andromeda 2, attached to an under-30 demographic to relive that late 2000s level of success and acclaim. Franchises can always reinvent themselves, despite whatever fanatics think. They're sometimes too big to fail. I bet a lot of people thought Star Wars as a franchise would fail after the prequel trilogy. Mass Effect as an IP is simply too unique and too profitable and too iconic to just wither away. Even in a case where Bioware shuts down, another studio can always carry the legacy. Look at Telltale Games shutting down and less than a year later get bought up again, simply because its creative assets are too profitable and unique to go to waste.
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