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Post by colfoley on Aug 7, 2019 20:46:08 GMT
it dosen't though. Viv may be black...colored...but she's Orlesian (Antivan?) Dorian isn't Indian...he's Tevinter. Alistair isn't 'white' hes Ferelden. Vivienne is Rivaini. thank you!
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 7, 2019 20:46:22 GMT
Hmm... I do agree that she (?) the-author-of-that-article is overdoing it bit, but generally speaking, perspective still helps. I'm personally often at a loss since DAI regarding Andrastianism, as I was raised without any religious background and mostly got negative impressions from Christianity and then we have what is essentially a fantasy knockoff (Andrastianism) getting the majority of the screentime and I wonder why writers tend to give that particular faith all this screentime and players apparently cutting it more slack when it comes to evaluating andrastian "deeds" vs. those of other groups.
On the other hand, I cannot quite understand why some think that the majority of DA players roll human characters. Basic DA humans (i.e. mostly Andrastians) are rather boring in my view and I honestly cannot play them well, as I neither can play andrastian believers well, nor do I want to. My main issue with DAI is that one part of the game features a lot of chantry stuff cut for human charcters (Why should a non-human be concerned about uphold/restoring an organisation with big racial bias rooted in their teachings?), while the late game -WPHW/Trespasser- deals mostly with elven stuff that 95% of DA humans might not care about or want to burn because it is "heathen heretic infidel shit at fault for the Maker's absence". Or something like that.
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I read the article just fine. It's absolutely written by a person who is bending events to fit the bone they want to pick. This implies the writers fucked up because they were insensitive to what an aggressee in the world had been through. Even though Author admits in the same paragraph that the Devs have said, "oops, that should have been implemented differently, it was lost in the million details that is creating such a massive game over 100 departments and outsourcing art companies." But no, they did it because White Dude Bros going to White Dude Bro. Like, of all the things Author could have used to better effect to support the narrative Author was creating with their article, Author picked this one? Even the devs are willing to admit that it was a problem the way it was handled, but the author is in the wrong for also having a problem with the way it was handled? Just because they had a valid reason for the way it was handled, does not change the way it was handled. Author then immediately ties this to their own personal history of problems of trying to recapture their own culture as someone of African Descent but not only those of African Descent have this problem. It is also forgetting entirely that this is THEDAS and not the real world. And that the Devs have officially stated that the elves were more based on the Romani people than the African people. No where does she say or imply only black people have that problem. You seem to be putting a lot of words in her mouth. She is black, she is speaking for herself from a black perspective and how it relates to the game. Why would she speak for groups she is not apart of? The devs have stated the elves are based off Jewish and Indigenous people, not just Romani. And so? The elves and those groups still share similar history to black people. Slavery, colonization, etc. are not exclusive to them. She said she sees a connection not that it is an exclusive one. There are Irish and Celts that have also drawn comparisons from themselves to elves. They are valid interpretations, even if the authors were not thinking about them in particular. Bioware makes games that are super responsive and interactive but the level of immersiveness she wants is not going to come from a Bioware game. I don't know what game the author is looking for , but she can't lambast Bioware for not making a video game completely about what it is to be an Dalish Inquisitor when you can be Human, Dwarven, and Kosith in a world where they know most people play humans. She wants nuance in the writing for better writing and different perspectives to bring to that. The rest of this is just strawmanning.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 20:48:23 GMT
it dosen't though. Viv may be black...colored...but she's Orlesian (Antivan?) Dorian isn't Indian...he's Tevinter. Alistair isn't 'white' hes Ferelden. Vivienne is Rivaini. And a mage. And a woman. And black. And a character. She can be more than one thing, in and out of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 20:53:24 GMT
He is Indian coded. He was designed to look like an Indian man. Multiple devs have already stated this. If you put his face in say, Mass Effect or any other game that takes place in our world, he would just be Indian. "Dorian is Persian/Italian/Greek/White" = Completely fine "Vivienne is black" = Yeah, she is "Dorian is Indian" = Now, wait a minute, that is not true, racial or any other type of coding in fictional settings suddenly does not exist it dosen't though. Viv may be black...colored...but she's Orlesian (Antivan?) Dorian isn't Indian...he's Tevinter. Alistair isn't 'white' hes Ferelden. Vivienne is far from "black colored". She is black as in her real world race analogue. If you truly think coding in fictional settings does not exist then... you should do more reading.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2019 20:59:05 GMT
On the other hand, I cannot quite understand why some think that the majority of DA players roll human characters. Basic DA humans (i.e. mostly Andrastians) are rather boring in my view and I honestly cannot play them well, as I neither can play andrastian believers well, nor do I want to. People think that because it's true. The DA:O tracking data was absolutely unequivocal, and nothing's changed since then. Not sure what the games could be about if they can't go with anything that's tied to any in-universe culture.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2019 21:00:51 GMT
it dosen't though. Viv may be black...colored...but she's Orlesian (Antivan?) Dorian isn't Indian...he's Tevinter. Alistair isn't 'white' hes Ferelden. Vivienne is far from "black colored". She is black as in her real world race analogue. If you truly think coding in fictional settings does not exist then... you should do more reading. You should probably explain exactly what "coded" means in this context. It's a term of art that not everyone here is going to be familiar with. (And I've been, frankly, too lazy to work on really grasping the concept.)
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 7, 2019 21:03:58 GMT
Vivienne is far from "black colored". She is black as in her real world race analogue. If you truly think coding in fictional settings does not exist then... you should do more reading. You should probably explain exactly what "coded" means in this context. It's a term of art that not everyone here is going to be familiar with. (And I've been, frankly, too lazy to work on really grasping the concept.) While I recommend watching the whole video for its entertainment value alone, here's the relevant part - in next few minutes she explains the concept of coding in stories well.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2019 21:38:06 GMT
Thanks.
I'm still having a little trouble seeing how Dorian codes as Indian. Then again, I'm not sure what that code would mean even if I did perceive it.
Viv's a little easier to see. Kind of like an Orlesian Evelyn Cream, if you've read Miracleman. The big difference being that Cream was sensitive about his origin in a way that Viv just isn't -- unless we just displace that whole aspect onto Viv being a mage, which I figure is probably the intent. (We don't have too much access to Viv's internal mental workings, so I don't know if she processes this stuff the way Cream does or not.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 22:11:10 GMT
Thanks. I'm still having a little trouble seeing how Dorian codes as Indian. Then again, I'm not sure what that code would mean even if I did perceive it. Viv's a little easier to see. Kind of like an Orlesian Evelyn Cream, if you've read Miracleman. The big difference being that Cream was sensitive about his origin in a way that Viv just isn't -- unless we just displace that whole aspect onto Viv being a mage, which I figure is probably the intent. (We don't have too much access to Viv's internal mental workings anyway.) When they designed his face, they designed him to look Indian the way they designed Vivienne to look black. There is even a video with Matt Rhodes where you can see some concept art of him with pictures of a few South Asian people as references particularly for his skin and eye color. He was originally going to have an Indian accent. His father still does have an Indian accent. His father was also designed to look like an Indian man. If Dorian were real, he would be of Indian descent. The devs have even stated his real world analogue as Indian. That is (racial) coding. It is ways writers let you know what characters are meant to be without outright saying it as obviously, calling him Indian in-universe would not make sense.
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 7, 2019 22:20:00 GMT
Thanks. I'm still having a little trouble seeing how Dorian codes as Indian. Then again, I'm not sure what that code would mean even if I did perceive it. Viv's a little easier to see. Kind of like an Orlesian Evelyn Cream, if you've read Miracleman. The big difference being that Cream was sensitive about his origin in a way that Viv just isn't -- unless we just displace that whole aspect onto Viv being a mage, which I figure is probably the intent. (We don't have too much access to Viv's internal mental workings, so I don't know if she processes this stuff the way Cream does or not.) I vaguely remember devs mentioning that they originally had the voice actor attempt an Indian accent, so the idea was there, but they quickly decided they liked his natural English accent better. I’m not sure what about Dorian aside from his appearance is coded Indian though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 22:32:51 GMT
I vaguely remember devs mentioning that they originally had the voice actor attempt an Indian accent, so the idea was there, but they quickly decided they liked his natural English accent better. I’m not sure what about Dorian aside from his appearance is coded Indian though. Not much else. His dress and culture is from a country that is mostly inspired by the Roman/Byzantine Empire with very little to none South Asian inspiration. But that does not really matter as we are specifically talking about his appearance, his race/ethnicity, which is confirmed as Indian.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2019 22:37:26 GMT
Thanks. I'm still having a little trouble seeing how Dorian codes as Indian. Then again, I'm not sure what that code would mean even if I did perceive it. Viv's a little easier to see. Kind of like an Orlesian Evelyn Cream, if you've read Miracleman. The big difference being that Cream was sensitive about his origin in a way that Viv just isn't -- unless we just displace that whole aspect onto Viv being a mage, which I figure is probably the intent. (We don't have too much access to Viv's internal mental workings anyway.) When they designed his face, they designed him to look Indian the way they designed Vivienne to look black. There is even a video with Matt Rhodes where you can see some concept art of him with pictures of a few South Asian people as references particularly for his skin and eye color. He was originally going to have an Indian accent. His father still does have an Indian accent. His father was also designed to look like an Indian man. If Dorian were real, he would be of Indian descent. The devs have even stated his real world analogue as Indian. That is (racial) coding. It is ways writers let you know what characters are meant to be without outright saying it as obviously, calling him Indian in-universe would not make sense. I suppose Dorian looks Indian, but I'm not very sensitive to ethnicity. I didn't know what his look was supposed to be until I saw Rhodes discuss it. (Possibly because the DHMG concept art didn't look particularly Indian to me, so by the time the game came along I'd already formed my opinion.) More importantly, what does coding as Indian actually mean?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 7, 2019 23:44:00 GMT
alanc9 - @edexios literally just explained it to you in that post you quoted. Check out the last two sentences of their paragraph.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2019 23:58:30 GMT
alanc9 - @edexios literally just explained it to you in that post you quoted. Check out the last two sentences of their paragraph. But he didn't. He explained that Dorian is "coded as Indian"; but does that actually say anything about him beyond that he has a particular complexion? Or is it a mistake to think that this is supposed to matter at all? I thought "coded" was supposed to mean something more than "looks like," because otherwise we'd just be saying "looks like" rather than getting all fancy about it.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 8, 2019 0:04:43 GMT
On the other hand, I cannot quite understand why some think that the majority of DA players roll human characters. Basic DA humans (i.e. mostly Andrastians) are rather boring in my view and I honestly cannot play them well, as I neither can play andrastian believers well, nor do I want to. People think that because it's true. The DA:O tracking data was absolutely unequivocal, and nothing's changed since then. I don't know much about those statistics and I do not care much to be honest. At least my impression is that especially elf players appear to be far more active online. All I have to say about it is that if they allow us to choose race, it should be meaningful. DAI fails with that quite a bit, especially for Dorfs and big Ones with horns. For me, it is about interesting new stuff. An awful lot of people appear to whine about DAI "being all about elves", while my impression is that 2.0-2.5 games worth of content so far deal mostly with human/Chantry issues. I would like to see humans that are about something else than "Maker". There were some Avvar around, admittedly. For some future game, what about allowing players to "only" choose non-humans, if the plot is fitting? Ja, I guess that fandom eruption will surely put the outcry about Hawke being human-only to shame.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 8, 2019 0:09:03 GMT
I don't have a problem with not being able to play a human, but I'm not sure how EA's marketing department would feel.
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alanc9 - @edexios literally just explained it to you in that post you quoted. Check out the last two sentences of their paragraph. But he didn't. He explained that Dorian is "coded as Indian"; but does that actually say anything about him beyond that he has a particular complexion? Or is it a mistake to think that this is supposed to matter at all? I thought "coded" was supposed to mean something more than "looks like," because otherwise we'd just be saying "looks like" rather than getting all fancy about it. Emphasis mine. When they designed his face, they designed him to look Indian the way they designed Vivienne to look black. There is even a video with Matt Rhodes where you can see some concept art of him with pictures of a few South Asian people as references particularly for his skin and eye color. He was originally going to have an Indian accent. His father still does have an Indian accent. His father was also designed to look like an Indian man. If Dorian were real, he would be of Indian descent. The devs have even stated his real world analogue as Indian. That is (racial) coding. It is ways writers let you know what characters are meant to be without outright saying it as obviously, calling him Indian in-universe would not make sense.
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Post by phoray on Aug 8, 2019 0:21:40 GMT
It's irrelevant. They are all humans with different skin tones. The things they have to overcome have nothing to do with their skin tones.
Dorian didn't have to be written by an Indian Gay Man specifically with daddy issues to be a Tevinter Gay man with Daddy issues.
Vivian didn't have to be written by a African Straight Woman Side Piece with heavy anxiety about losing their self control to be a Rivaini Straight woman Side piece with heavy anxiety about losing their self control.
It's ridiculous to put all the requirements on who's allowed to be a writer of such and such character. If we carried this retroactively, literally every Great Novel would come under scrutiny. Huckleberry Finn didn't actually exist. Did his writer ever even strap together wood to make a raft himself? I mean, how dare he write about two poor white boys in a backward town when he's obviously a well off rich man? The woman who wrote "To kill a mockingbird." isn't even a male lawyer !
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Post by colfoley on Aug 8, 2019 0:24:39 GMT
It's irrelevant. They are all humans with different skin tones. The things they have to overcome have nothing to do with their skin tones. Dorian didn't have to be written by an Indian Gay Man specifically with daddy issues to be a Tevinter Gay man with Daddy issues. Vivian didn't have to be written by a African Straight Woman Side Piece with heavy anxiety about losing their self control to be a Rivaini Straight woman Side piece with heavy anxiety about losing their self control. It's ridiculous to put all the requirements on who's allowed to be a writer of such and such character. If we carried this retroactively, literally every Great Novel would come under scrutiny. Huckleberry Finn didn't actually exist. Did his writer ever even strap together wood to make a raft himself? I mean, how dare he write about two poor white boys in a backward town when he's obviously a well off rich man? The woman who wrote "To kill a mockingbird." isn't even a male lawyer ! As a slight aside I have always found the advice that some people give writers..."Write what you know" to be patently ridicilious.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 2:26:06 GMT
It's irrelevant. They are all humans with different skin tones. The things they have to overcome have nothing to do with their skin tones. Dorian didn't have to be written by an Indian Gay Man specifically with daddy issues to be a Tevinter Gay man with Daddy issues. Vivian didn't have to be written by a African Straight Woman Side Piece with heavy anxiety about losing their self control to be a Rivaini Straight woman Side piece with heavy anxiety about losing their self control. It's ridiculous to put all the requirements on who's allowed to be a writer of such and such character. If we carried this retroactively, literally every Great Novel would come under scrutiny. Huckleberry Finn didn't actually exist. Did his writer ever even strap together wood to make a raft himself? I mean, how dare he write about two poor white boys in a backward town when he's obviously a well off rich man? The woman who wrote "To kill a mockingbird." isn't even a male lawyer ! No one said they had to be written by people exactly like them. Just that people like them can provide needed perspective, nuance, and better writing. Dorian's personal quest would not have been as real and well written if it had been written by someone straight.
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Post by melbella on Aug 8, 2019 2:35:09 GMT
Dorian's personal quest would not have been as real and well written if it had been written by someone straight. There's really no way to prove that one way or another. There is also the fact that some people don't think it was well written at all.
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Meh. Vivienne didn't become Viv, the Iron Lady, because she was black. She became that way because she was a mage in Thedas. Me saying she is the way she is (and I'm only referring to her being afraid of herself, not anything else) because of being a mage. could have be handled with more nuance if written by someone that is the target of being labeled as those things, and that an internalized racism storyline could have been better written and handled with more nuance if also written by someone who faces those things( which is irrelevant, because her being a mage is not an internalized racism storyline. t's ridiculous to put all the requirements on who's allowed to be a writer of such and such character. Because you claimed it would have been better if written by people who faces these issues. Not just advised by. No one said they had to be written by people exactly like them. Just that people like them can provide needed perspective, nuance, and better writing Except you did. I was weary of this debate before you lost track of your own stance. I mean, you can be advised by anyone, but the absurdity of only hiring writers if they've faced "the issues" themselves speaks for itself. And even then you get ONE SLICE of the experience, which is why some homosexual people resonated so strongly with Dorian and others were at the same time disgusted by his cliche daddy issues. Anything "can be better" but this isn't a passion project about the real world downtrodden with unlimited funding.
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Meh. Vivienne didn't become Viv, the Iron Lady, because she was black. She became that way because she was a mage in Thedas. Me saying she is the way she is (and I'm only referring to her being afraid of herself, not anything else) because of being a mage. Okay? could have be handled with more nuance if written by someone that is the target of being labeled as those things, and that an internalized racism storyline could have been better written and handled with more nuance if also written by someone who faces those things( which is irrelevant, because her being a mage is not an internalized racism storyline. This was about Sera, not Vivienne. t's ridiculous to put all the requirements on who's allowed to be a writer of such and such character. Because you claimed it would have been better if written by people who faces these issues. Not just advised by. No one said they had to be written by people exactly like them. Just that people like them can provide needed perspective, nuance, and better writing Except you did. I was weary of this debate before you lost track of your own stance. I mean, you can be advised by anyone, but the absurdity of only hiring writers if they've faced "the issues" themselves speaks for itself. And even then you get ONE SLICE of the experience, which is why some homosexual people resonated so strongly with Dorian and others were at the same time disgusted by his cliche daddy issues. Anything "can be better" but this isn't a passion project about the real world downtrodden with unlimited funding. Once again quoting yourself for some reason. In my first post I mentioned the voices of the two women on the writing team being essential to stopping missions like the one mentioned from happening. Not that women need to write all the missions. I do think that voices of the people who face those issues are needed, and I do think that characters would be better written by people who personally face the issues they do. No where in any of that is me saying they need to be written by those people. The author did not say that Vivienne needed to be written by a black person, the author did not say that elves need to be written by black people. No one said anything had to be done, just that things could be done better. Which they can, they are not some indie studio they are run by a multi billion dollar company. There are plenty of excellent writers out there that who also face said issues, issues that bioware wants to write about in their stories. I doubt you would argue the same if there were no women on the writing team and people said there should be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 3:23:24 GMT
Dorian's personal quest would not have been as real and well written if it had been written by someone straight. There's really no way to prove that one way or another. There is also the fact that some people don't think it was well written at all. There is also the fact that most of the people who do not think it was well written also happen to be the people that argue about gay characters and their issues being shoved down their throats. It was realistic and very obviously written by someone with personal knowledge on such things. Especially compared to Sera when she shows attraction to other women. It is obviously written from the perspective of a straight man writing how he thinks lesbians feel and show attraction.
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