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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 3, 2019 0:59:30 GMT
Anderson should’ve been a trick of the mind made by the Catalyst. The balls are already slapping hard against the wall by that point. All that’s left is Chris Angel unzipping out of Reaperized TIM and yelling “MINDFREAK!”
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Post by Phantom on Dec 3, 2019 1:11:11 GMT
Anderson should’ve been a trick of the mind made by the Catalyst. The balls are already slapping hard against the wall by that point. All that’s left is Chris Angel unzipping out of Reaperized TIM and yelling “MINDFREAK!” I will not be surprised that it was a Mind Trick by the Catalyst.....or at least bad writing.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 1:18:45 GMT
I don't know where Shepard's radio in his suit is, but the entire thing was blasted and melted by Harbinger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 2:01:43 GMT
Again.. EVERYONE in that transport, including Coats, makes the run towards the beam. Really? In your video you posted, they aren't seen running to the beam. So why did the character, you believing is Coats, say fallback to the buildings? Anderson did say at the fob no retreat, no stepping back. We move forward at all costs. Yet they aren't seen jumping down and running to the beam. Yes Anderson makes it on the Citadel, but that's after he says he followed Shepard. What's funny about that is he nor anyone else is seen when I had Shepard look behind her/him just before going up the beam. If you're going with that, who was the one that sent the message to Hackett letting him know someone made it up the bean after the so-called character you believe to be Coats said that the entire force was decimated and acknowledged no one made to the beam? Is that so? Even though Anderson clearly said no retreat, no stepping back at the fob? And apparently everyone suffered from temporary blindness not to notice the reaper flying way. Why would you retreat when the path to the beam is now clear with the reaper gone? Oh that's right, I forgot, it's for the touchy-feely scene between Anderson and Shepard. If that's what you believe, go ahead. Doesn't mean I have to. I disagree with you. 1) Everyone in that vehicle is in that vehicle with the express intention of getting to the beam. Before the vehicle broke down, they were clearing intending for the entire vehicle load to push towards the beam and we do see other vehicles driving towards the beam throughout the run. When the vehicle breaks down, there is no discussion about any person who was that vehicle staying behind for any purpose. Anderson's statement is "WE gotta move." It does not exclude anyone who was in that vehicle and I would expect Coats to follow Anderson's order and move with him.. Anderson also already has his gun drawn and Shepard draws his a moment later... and then Shepard is seen jumping down to run towards the beam. The shot is tight on Shepard, but nothing precludes Anderson making the same jump right beside him just out of the camera. The wide angle shot just before Anderson says "we gotta move" shows Coats standing with Shepard's squad mates... and we know that Shepard's squad mates make the same jump down as Shepard and run towards the beam... even though the camera does not actually show them doing it. Everything points toward Coats making the run with Shepard and his squad. Anderson clearly makes the run because he later is on the Citadel with Shepard.
2) Instead of just repeatedly asking why Coats makes that statement about falling back... YOU explain how it fit into your scenario. The building are well back from where the vehicle breaks down and the vehicle breaks down well back from the beam such that Coats, standing by the vehicle, would never be able to just see to know for sure if HIS entire unit (i.e. Shepard and his squad and Anderson) were completely decimated... particularly since Shepard and Anderson are proven to have not been killed by Harbinger.
3) Anderson did say no retreat to those in the vehicle. If Coats is right at the beam and just radioing to units behind him to fall back to the buildings and telling them to not attempt to make the beam, he himself is not retreating or falling back. He's injured and about to possibly die on the battlefield.
As I said... instead of just asking questions to challenge whatever anyone else proposes... YOU come up with an actual scenario that fits everything you see. Detail it and then maybe we'll talk again. Why does Anderson say "WE gotta move." if he has no intention of moving out with Shepard and does not expect those around him to move out with Shepard as well. Why didn't he telll Shepard "You gotta move." or "You and your squad need to move." instead? Why does he draw his gun?
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Post by themikefest on Dec 3, 2019 14:27:24 GMT
Before the vehicle broke down, Broke down? Don't you mean it was driven into a giant pothole preventing it from going any further? Yes he is on the Citadel, doesn't mean he ran to the beam the same time Shepard did. He said I followed you to the beam. Where was he when the uglies showed up? It would have been nice if Anderson was able to fire at them helping Shepard get to the beam. Why didn't he get on the comms to tell everyone to ignore the retreat order and head for the beam since the reaper has flown away. Ah yes, the temporary blindness syndrome everyone suffered from, and again I forgot, it was done for the touchy-feely scene between Anderson and Shepard. The other thing is where was Anderson when I had my Shepard turn around to look back and saw no one just before going up the beam? I'll tell you. He borrowed Coats teleporting device, the same device the character you call Coats use to teleport his body up to the Citadel. How about YOU explain this so-called scenario that YOU believe I have? He said that at the fob in front of the Battalion leaders, Coats, Shepard and the squadmates. So why are they saying fallback, regroup as Shepard is getting up? Of course. Bioware didn't want anyone else on the Citadel. It would ruin the touchy-feely scene. You are the only one proposing the character is Coats. A scenario? Ok. As Shepard jumps down to make the run to the beam, Anderson and Coats stay back to make sure all forces are moving to the beam. After Harbinger fires his beam of doom, Coats is shocked to see everyone is gone. His mind is racing at what to do. He says all forces have been decimated and to fallback. At the same time, Anderson ignores Coats and starts running to the beam to see if Shepard is ok. When he's close enough, he sees Shepard enter the beam. A few moments later he enters the beam.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 19:02:27 GMT
Before the vehicle broke down, Broke down? Don't you mean it was driven into a giant pothole preventing it from going any further? Yes he is on the Citadel, doesn't mean he ran to the beam the same time Shepard did. He said I followed you to the beam. Where was he when the uglies showed up? It would have been nice if Anderson was able to fire at them helping Shepard get to the beam. Why didn't he get on the comms to tell everyone to ignore the retreat order and head for the beam since the reaper has flown away. Ah yes, the temporary blindness syndrome everyone suffered from, and again I forgot, it was done for the touchy-feely scene between Anderson and Shepard. The other thing is where was Anderson when I had my Shepard turn around to look back and saw no one just before going up the beam? I'll tell you. He borrowed Coats teleporting device, the same device the character you call Coats use to teleport his body up to the Citadel. How about YOU explain this so-called scenario that YOU believe I have? He said that at the fob in front of the Battalion leaders, Coats, Shepard and the squadmates. So why are they saying fallback, regroup as Shepard is getting up? Of course. Bioware didn't want anyone else on the Citadel. It would ruin the touchy-feely scene. You are the only one proposing the character is Coats. A scenario? Ok. As Shepard jumps down to make the run to the beam, Anderson and Coats stay back to make sure all forces are moving to the beam. After Harbinger fires his beam of doom, Coats is shocked to see everyone is gone. His mind is racing at what to do. He says all forces have been decimated and to fallback. At the same time, Anderson ignores Coats and starts running to the beam to see if Shepard is ok. When he's close enough, he sees Shepard enter the beam. A few moments later he enters the beam. Why does Anderson say "We gotta move" if he intends to stay back with Coats? Why don't we hear him instructing Coats to stay back with him and telling Shepard "You gotta move" instead? How are Coats and Anderson planning to ENSURE all forces are moving towards the beam when they themselves are stuck in a pothole and not moving anywhere (effectively the same result as a break down of the vehicle, BTW)? Why would Anderson need Coats to stay back with him when all he can possibly do is wave his arms around like a traffic cop? Why is he shown with his gun drawn... Is he going to shoot his own troops in order to ensure they move towards the beam?
Why would Anderson allow Coats to call for a fallback? Why wouldn't he come over the comms and tell them to ignore Coats and continue to proceed towards the beam? He outranks Coats after all. Since Harbinger is leaving, why doesn't he grab Coats and any remaining troops that Coats has told to fall back and insist they accompany him to the beam. With nothing to stop them, why is Anderson the only one who follows Shepard up the beam? If Anderson is not injured at all in the run, why is his voice so strained and why is he so unsteady on his feet even before TIM makes Shepard shoot him?
Anderson says he followed Shepard up the beam... which is explainable if he was knocked out by the blast for a longer period of time than Shepard or walked around for a bit checking others for signs of life (since he appears to be much less injured than Shepard} before noticing Shepard going up the beam and decided to follow him up it. At least my Coats has since collapsed so Anderson would not be able to get Coats to accompany him up the beam at that time.
ETA: Coats also did not forget about Anderson's orders... He saw Anderson get knocked down by the beam because they were all running together... with Shepard a ways behind because of the evac. Coats believes Anderson is dead, along with the rest of his unit that was decimated. He now believes he's in command for a long as he can manage to stay alive. He issues a new order countermanding Anderson's in order to possibly save what's left of the troops out there. He's also dazed and confused because he too was hit by the blast. As he finishes the comm, he sees Shepard getting up and tries crawling towards him... and then collapses face down in the mud.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 17:13:34 GMT
I don't know where Shepard's radio in his suit is, but the entire thing was blasted and melted by Harbinger. In the Citadel DLC, Roland Quam (at 0.57 in the referenced video) indicates that the radio is in Shepard's ear. There is certainly no place for it to hide in her dress in this video, so I don't think you can actually say for sure the comm device was melted away with the armor. Conceivably, iit is a very small device buried right into Shepard's ear canal... since we never visually see one. The only other indication is that Shepard perpetually raises a hand to one ear to talk.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 17:19:59 GMT
Are you sure Shepard isn't wearing a wire?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 20:27:10 GMT
Are you sure Shepard isn't wearing a wire? I'm just saying... after the Reaper blast, Shepard still has a lot more clothes on that could conceal a comm than the dress she's wearing here. It's more than a listening device (i.e. wire) since Shepard can communicate directly with Brooks. After the blast, Shepard's comm obviously still works as does Anderson's and Coats' since Shepard can hear the conversation HQ has with Coats, can hear Anderson over the comms, and later can also hear Hackett calling from his ship. It being melted is simply not an option.
Check this video at 1:05. Small device inside the ear?
As opposed to Anderson's comm in this video at 0.40:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 21:00:46 GMT
When Shepard talked to Anderson after going to the Citadel and saying "Anderson? You up here too?", I don't recall him putting his finger up to his ear like that video shows. Or when Hackett calls and says something's wrong on your end. I kind of know what you mean though. They all seem to put their finger near their ear when they talk over the radio.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 22:31:45 GMT
When Shepard talked to Anderson after going to the Citadel and saying "Anderson? You up here too?", I don't recall him putting his finger up to his ear like that video shows. Or when Hackett calls and says something's wrong on your end. I kind of know what you mean though. They all seem to put their finger near their ear when they talk over the radio.
It's inconsistent throughout the game, both in the size and nature of the various comm devices shown (i.e. Anderson's is clearly much larger than the one Shepard picks up under the desk during the mission to resuce Din Korlack and the possible little blip in the ear in the first video I linked to nothing at all shown in the ear but then Shepard raising his/her hand to the ear to talk to whatever device Roland Quan saw in Shepard's ear when there is seems to be nothing in Shepard's ear during that DLC. Either there a numerous different comms devices in existence or Bioware is just sloppy in illustrating it.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 5, 2019 23:11:09 GMT
Why does Anderson say "We gotta move" if he intends to stay back with Coats?Having him say that mean he has to run to the beam at that very moment? Look at the cutscene right after Shepard gives his/her speech at the fob. It's shows Anderson, with weapon in hand, looking around making sure everyone is moving forward. Why isn't he at the front leading the charge? He did say WE move forward at all costs. He does move forward only after some have moved forward. The same could be said for the beam run. What? They weren't stuck in a pothole, the vehicle was. Did you not see both out of the vehicle after it got stuck? If they're stuck in the pothole, then why is Anderson shown beside Shepard as Harbinger shows up with Coats a few feet behind? Now there's an idea. Maybe when Bioware remakes ME3, they will have that happen. Have you not read my posts? Guess not. All that was done for the touchy-feely scene on the Citadel. I will borrow your excuse for Coats over the comms. It was shoddy VA work. When you see Shepard shot out of the beam onto the Citadel, she/he hits the ground, then rolls a couple of times before stopping. I would say that would be enough to knock the wind out of you. So it makes sense to sound like he did.
Why is Anderson unsteady? TIM is controlling Anderson's movement. Anderson is fighting against that.
Ah yes, the what-the-crap evac scene. How much time passed between the SR2 showing up to when Shepard starts running to the beam again? If Anderson and Coats didn't make it to the beam in that time, then what were they doing? Maybe they saw a pub to the right and decided to have some ale until Shepard is ready to run again.
The beam run is crap. Even the scenario I mentioned is crap because it doesn't explain all the other crap. It was all done so that Anderson and Shepard are the only one's to make it on the Citadel so they can have a touchy-feely moment. It was made worse with the what-the-crap evac scene. If they were to remake ME3, hopefully the beam run, if they include it, is done better than what is seen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 23:31:38 GMT
Why does Anderson say "We gotta move" if he intends to stay back with Coats?Having him say that mean he has to run to the beam at that very moment? Look at the cutscene right after Shepard gives his/her speech at the fob. It's shows Anderson, with weapon in hand, looking around making sure everyone is moving forward. Why isn't he at the front leading the charge? He did say WE move forward at all costs. He does move forward only after some have moved forward. The same could be said for the beam run. What? They weren't stuck in a pothole, the vehicle was. Did you not see both out of the vehicle after it got stuck? If they're stuck in the pothole, then why is Anderson shown beside Shepard as Harbinger shows up with Coats a few feet behind? Now there's an idea. Maybe when Bioware remakes ME3, they will have that happen. Have you not read my posts? Guess not. All that was done for the touchy-feely scene on the Citadel. I will borrow your excuse for Coats over the comms. It was shoddy VA work. When you see Shepard shot out of the beam onto the Citadel, she/he hits the ground, then rolls a couple of times before stopping. I would say that would be enough to knock the wind out of you. So it makes sense to sound like he did.
Why is Anderson unsteady? TIM is controlling Anderson's movement. Anderson is fighting against that.
Ah yes, the what-the-crap evac scene. How much time passed between the SR2 showing up to when Shepard starts running to the beam again? If Anderson and Coats didn't make it to the beam in that time, then what were they doing? Maybe they saw a pub to the right and decided to have some ale until Shepard is ready to run again.
The beam run is crap. Even the scenario I mentioned is crap because it doesn't explain all the other crap. It was all done so that Anderson and Shepard are the only one's to make it on the Citadel so they can have a touchy-feely moment. It was made worse with the what-the-crap evac scene. If they were to remake ME3, hopefully the beam run, if they include it, is done better than what is seen. There is a big difference in inference of a "WE moved forward at all costs" delivered at the end of a speech sitting in a tactical meeting in the fob and a "WE gotta move." delivered while directly looking at Shepard and in the presence of only 3 other people. When was the last time you looked at a friend and said "We gotta move." and did not intend to move with them? Anderson clearly intends to move with Shepard at that moment or he would have said "YOU gotta move." Besides, the meeting in the fob was all about sending this unit here and that unit there, and Shepard up the middle... and Anderson was quite clearly about "I'm sending you..." There was no such dialogue eviddent in the transport beforehand. It was all about EVERYONE heading to the beam and hoping to get at least a handful through.
You admit that the jeep knocking down his squad and post-EC, the evac would have put Shepard running behind most everyone. The final blast AOE would be, for the most part, in front of Shepard, knocking individuals down ahead of Shepard. Anderson and coats could have easily been knocked unconscious the same way that Shepard was and that would skew how far you figure they should have been ahead of him in reaching the beam itself. As I said, Anderson does not say that he followed Shepard TO the beam; rather he clearly says he followed Shepard up it. Easily explainable if Anderson just comes to to see Shepard going up the beam. The scene is meant to feel chaotic. I would say it's more about closing the issue with TIM than the touchy-feeling scene that comes afterward... putting both the destroy and control decision to the forefront to foreshadow the later scene with the Catalyst.
If the redo the OT, I hope they change it so significantly that it is hardly recognizable as the same story. I think it's almost inevitable that a remake would not be a Trilogy, but a single game and, f or one thing, I want to see the SM moved to the actual endgame. I don't think they'll ever consider just remaking ME3 by itself.
Anderson's voice stays strained for much longer than it would if he just had the wind knocked out of him by barrel rolling a time or two. He and Anderson talk for quite a duration there and Anderson's voice stays strained throughout the whole conversation.
To correct the beam run, all that's needed is for Bioware to clearly show us Coats and Anderson running towards the beam alongside Shepard at some point and perhaps showing them also knocked out by the laser hit. They could also show Anderson coming to somewhere close to the beam and jumping into the beam itself just behind Shepard.
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Look at the cutscene right after Shepard gives his/her speech at the fob. It's shows Anderson, with weapon in hand, looking around making sure everyone is moving forward. Why isn't he at the front leading the charge? He did say WE move forward at all costs. He does move forward only after some have moved forward. The same could be said for the beam run. What? They weren't stuck in a pothole, the vehicle was. Did you not see both out of the vehicle after it got stuck? If they're stuck in the pothole, then why is Anderson shown beside Shepard as Harbinger shows up with Coats a few feet behind? Now there's an idea. Maybe when Bioware remakes ME3, they will have that happen. Have you not read my posts? Guess not. All that was done for the touchy-feely scene on the Citadel. I will borrow your excuse for Coats over the comms. It was shoddy VA work. When you see Shepard shot out of the beam onto the Citadel, she/he hits the ground, then rolls a couple of times before stopping. I would say that would be enough to knock the wind out of you. So it makes sense to sound like he did.
Why is Anderson unsteady? TIM is controlling Anderson's movement. Anderson is fighting against that.
Ah yes, the what-the-crap evac scene. How much time passed between the SR2 showing up to when Shepard starts running to the beam again? If Anderson and Coats didn't make it to the beam in that time, then what were they doing? Maybe they saw a pub to the right and decided to have some ale until Shepard is ready to run again.
The beam run is crap. Even the scenario I mentioned is crap because it doesn't explain all the other crap. It was all done so that Anderson and Shepard are the only one's to make it on the Citadel so they can have a touchy-feely moment. It was made worse with the what-the-crap evac scene. If they were to remake ME3, hopefully the beam run, if they include it, is done better than what is seen. There is a big difference in inference of a "WE moved forward at all costs" delivered at the end of a speech sitting in a tactical meeting in the fob and a "WE gotta move." delivered while directly looking at Shepard and in the presence of only 3 other people. When was the last time you looked at a friend and said "We gotta move." and did not intend to move with them? Anderson clearly intends to move with Shepard at that moment or he would have said "YOU gotta move." Besides, the meeting in the fob was all about sending this unit here and that unit there, and Shepard up the middle... and Anderson was quite clearly about "I'm sending you..." There was no such dialogue eviddent in the transport beforehand. It was all about EVERYONE heading to the beam and hoping to get at least a handful through.
You admit that the jeep knocking down his squad and post-EC, the evac would have put Shepard running behind most everyone. The final blast AOE would be, for the most part, in front of Shepard, knocking individuals down ahead of Shepard. Anderson and coats could have easily been knocked unconscious the same way that Shepard was and that would skew how far you figure they should have been ahead of him in reaching the beam itself. As I said, Anderson does not say that he followed Shepard TO the beam; rather he clearly says he followed Shepard up it. Easily explainable if Anderson just comes to to see Shepard going up the beam. The scene is meant to feel chaotic. I would say it's more about closing the issue with TIM than the touchy-feeling scene that comes afterward... putting both the destroy and control decision to the forefront to foreshadow the later scene with the Catalyst.
If the redo the OT, I hope they change it so significantly that it is hardly recognizable as the same story. I think it's almost inevitable that a remake would not be a Trilogy, but a single game and, f or one thing, I want to see the SM moved to the actual endgame. I don't think they'll ever consider just remaking ME3 by itself.
Anderson's voice stays strained for much longer than it would if he just had the wind knocked out of him by barrel rolling a time or two. He and Anderson talk for quite a duration there and Anderson's voice stays strained throughout the whole conversation.
To correct the beam run, all that's needed is for Bioware to clearly show us Coats and Anderson running towards the beam alongside Shepard at some point and perhaps showing them also knocked out by the laser hit. They could also show Anderson coming to somewhere close to the beam and jumping into the beam itself just behind Shepard.
Yeah it almost was like he knew he was dying and that he knew his wounds were fatal
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 4:18:47 GMT
Anderson would have had to stop and wait while Shepard calls for a Normandy evac. Yet, he and Coats nowhere to be found.
Also if you watch Harbinger for about 5 minutes after beginning the beam run, it'll one-shot every Alliance soldier and gunship as they run down the hill, but a direct hit to your squadmates will not kill them. It also purposely misses you if Shepard just stands there on the hill.
Also, another thing I noticed was if you walk away from the beam after being knocked out, you will die.
When you say strained, do you mean like reverberation? The Illusive Man's, Anderson's and Shepard's voice has quite a lot of reverberation in that scene.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 9:00:52 GMT
Anderson would have had to stop and wait while Shepard calls for a Normandy evac. Yet, he and Coats nowhere to be found.
Also if you watch Harbinger for about 5 minutes after beginning the beam run, it'll one-shot every Alliance soldier and gunship as they run down the hill, but a direct hit to your squadmates will not kill them. It also purposely misses you if Shepard just stands there on the hill.
Also, another thing I noticed was if you walk away from the beam after being knocked out, you will die.
When you say strained, do you mean like reverberation? The Illusive Man's, Anderson's and Shepard's voice has quite a lot of reverberation in that scene.
Why do you feel that Anderson would have "had to" stop and wait for Shepard? He's free to continue to run to the beam. Soldiers are seen in the background continue to run forward as Shepard evacs his squad.
Clearly the squad is not hit directly. The tank ahead of them is hit, flips and nearly crushes them.
No, I don't mean reverberations. I mean strained. "I didn't wind up where you did (grunt)... no." This is not how Anderson normally talks.
He is unsteady also when talking with TIM. Since you want to absolutely deny Anderson running to the beam, his continued unsteadiness is being put off onto TIM's control, but is it equally valid to say he is unsteady due to shocks and injury.
This whole argument is based on that you don't see Anderson run to the beam. So, as I said, to fix it and make it clear and shoot down every argument over it, Bioware would just have to insert a figure that is clearly Anderson and Coats running beside or ahead of Shepard to the beam or show Anderson getting up after being knocked out near the beam and watching Shepard ascend. No remake of ME3 required.
Regardless, it's illogical for Anderson and Coats to stay back at a crippled vehicle (no matter how you want to describe it - stuck, broke, etc.... it's not going anywhere) and watch others run for the beam. It's illogical for the body of Coats to turn up on the Citadel ahead of Shepard (so that Shepard sees it lying there) if Coats hung back and did not run to the beam. It's immpossible for Coats to be dead before talking on the ocmms about falling back. It's illogical for Anderson to not countermand Coats "fall back" order but instead to just run up the beam after Shepard if Anderson is in any conditiion to do so. He said they needed a handful, not just 2 people to get to the beam. He would grab at least 3 other people to chase after Shepard with him if there were any people left standing aorund him... and that would have included Coats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 15:35:16 GMT
They didn't fix any of that stuff in the Extended Cut, so maybe it was intentional? Why do you feel that Anderson would have "had to" stop and wait for Shepard? He's free to continue to run to the beam. Soldiers are seen in the background continue to run forward as Shepard evacs his squad. Even if he did continue to the beam, like any soldier I mentioned before, he would have gotten one shotted by Harbinger. Or if he did make it through, that would put him ahead of Shepard. Which would be inconsistent with his dialogue of "I followed you up". If he followed Shepard up, he would have been behind Shepard. He would have had to stop for the Normandy evac, and continue to match his claim of following Shepard up.
He is unsteady also when talking with TIM. Since you want to absolutely deny Anderson running to the beam, his continued unsteadiness is being put off onto TIM's control, but is it equally valid to say he is unsteady due to shocks and injury. Illusive Man has never been mentioned to have any mind/body control abilities. In the books, it describes him, not as a fighter, but his best weapon is his intelligence.
Also, the gun he grabs from Anderson to shoot you is a M3 predator (which sounded like a M6 carnifex when you get shot). The gun Anderson was holding before was a M6 carnifex. Everything we know about guns in this game says if you want to change your pistol to a different one, you have to find a weapon bench and swap it out. Or you could do it at the beginning of the level. If you try to reload the carnifex before heading up the beam, it reloads like a M3 predator and it has more than 6 shots before reloading. The M6 carnifex by default has 6 shots per clip. This "new" carnifex gun has more than 6. In fact, I fired up to 40 shots and it didn't reload.
There are many illogical things about the ending. They did say that some parts of the game aren't meant to be taken literally. Why does Shepard see a boy in his dreams running around even after him being shot and killed by a Reaper after boarding the shuttle? Or at the end, the same boy is now claiming to be the one who created the Reapers?
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Post by skekSil on Dec 6, 2019 18:54:41 GMT
Maybe it won't star Shepard, but no Shepard at all? What about old squadmates? As Ive said before it is possible to bring Liara, Grunt and Legion back even in MEA setting.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 6, 2019 19:25:44 GMT
Maybe it won't star Shepard, but no Shepard at all? What about old squadmates? As Ive said before it is possible to bring Liara, Grunt and Legion back even in MEA setting. How can they bring back Legion? He is dead no matter what by the end of ME3.
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Post by skekSil on Dec 6, 2019 20:06:23 GMT
As Ive said before it is possible to bring Liara, Grunt and Legion back even in MEA setting. How can they bring back Legion? He is dead no matter what by the end of ME3. You are right, I somehow managed to forget about it. Liara and Grunt only then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 21:41:38 GMT
They didn't fix any of that stuff in the Extended Cut, so maybe it was intentional? Why do you feel that Anderson would have "had to" stop and wait for Shepard? He's free to continue to run to the beam. Soldiers are seen in the background continue to run forward as Shepard evacs his squad. Even if he did continue to the beam, like any soldier I mentioned before, he would have gotten one shotted by Harbinger. Or if he did make it through, that would put him ahead of Shepard. Which would be inconsistent with his dialogue of "I followed you up". If he followed Shepard up, he would have been behind Shepard. He would have had to stop for the Normandy evac, and continue to match his claim of following Shepard up.
He is unsteady also when talking with TIM. Since you want to absolutely deny Anderson running to the beam, his continued unsteadiness is being put off onto TIM's control, but is it equally valid to say he is unsteady due to shocks and injury. Illusive Man has never been mentioned to have any mind/body control abilities. In the books, it describes him, not as a fighter, but his best weapon is his intelligence.
Also, the gun he grabs from Anderson to shoot you is a M3 predator (which sounded like a M6 carnifex when you get shot). The gun Anderson was holding before was a M6 carnifex. Everything we know about guns in this game says if you want to change your pistol to a different one, you have to find a weapon bench and swap it out. Or you could do it at the beginning of the level. If you try to reload the carnifex before heading up the beam, it reloads like a M3 predator and it has more than 6 shots before reloading. The M6 carnifex by default has 6 shots per clip. This "new" carnifex gun has more than 6. In fact, I fired up to 40 shots and it didn't reload.
There are many illogical things about the ending. They did say that some parts of the game aren't meant to be taken literally. Why does Shepard see a boy in his dreams running around even after him being shot and killed by a Reaper after boarding the shuttle? Or at the end, the same boy is now claiming to be the one who created the Reapers?
Following Shepard UP the beam, does not mean he necessarily followed Shepard running towards the beam. As I said, if he was knocked unconscious by a laser blast AOE, Shepard could have run past him. Anderson then could have come to, got up, and decided to follow Shepard up the beam. I have absolutely no problem with that sequencing. I do have a problem with Coats allegedly appearing dead on the Citadel after talking moments before over the comms and we don't see anyone taken up the beam (dead or alive) ahead of Shepard. That body is, IMO, a sloppy reuse of assets.
Getting knocked down by the AOE of a blast would not have "one shotted" him dead. As we see, there is an individual who survived for a time after being hit by a blast. There were many blasts that hit tanks and flipped them. Not every blast is a direct shot on runners. Here's another plausible scenario - If Anderson did stay back at the crippled tank for a time, perhaps he boarded a different one that was subsequently hit and flipped and everyone else in that tank was either killed by the crash or too injured to run. Anderson is still dazed when Coats comes over the comms and so doesn't hear him ordering the fall back and doesn't, therefore, countermand it. However, Anderson recovers and gets out of the tank, sees Shepard come to near the beam, sees him ascend and then decides to follow Shepard up the beam.
Are you honestly going to go on about changing guns in this game when Shepard flips about in cut scenes with AR's and pistols that he's not even carrying... and then sometimes they do pick up the actual weapon he uses? Changing gun on Anderson... completely irrelevant based on Bioware's consistent inability to get that part right in cutscenes anyways.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 8, 2020 17:03:52 GMT
No, there are plenty of other stories that can be told in the Milky Way and we don't need to play as Shepard to experience them. After the Reapers anything Shepard does will feel anticlimactic. I want a fresh new protagonist with a fresh new perspective.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 8, 2020 17:10:36 GMT
Holy necro Batman!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 11, 2020 16:24:41 GMT
No, there are plenty of other stories that can be told in the Milky Way and we don't need to play as Shepard to experience them The problem isn't what story you tell, nor where you tell it, nor who you tell it with. The problem is exclusively sales and reception. We already know the next non OT related ME will get unfavourably reviewed, regardless of all these aforementioned factors, because it will inadvertently get compared to the OT. Again. There is nothing you can do about it. And more so because of the bad taste the ME3 ending left behind to most people and more than just the ending for some people. Should people be over it? Maybe, maybe not, but it is not something Bioware should count on, evidently. It isn't like telling people to get over it is something that's going to work, as exhibited this far and waiting it out has only increased that frustration, it seems, to the point it is harming other franchises under the Bioware name as well. So something clearly needs to be done to rectify that problem. You can, of course, ignore it further, but bigger franchises haven't recovered from such debacles, making it improbable for Mass Effect to recover. Bioware can distance themselves from ME's moment of greatness and be content to continue in mediocrity, with a fractured fanbase, that fails to engage tomorrow's 12 year olds, the audience Andrew Wilson wants for EA's franchises. fter the Reapers anything Shepard does will feel anticlimactic. I want a fresh new protagonist with a fresh new perspective. Wasn't that exactly what people got with Andromeda? Did it not fail spectacularly? At least Anthem got the Cataclysm update and a couple of seasonal updates. Andromeda got a patch. And a book!
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 11, 2020 21:51:38 GMT
I notice you didn't really try to make a positive case for more Shepard there. Trying to show that other options are bad is the easy part.
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