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Post by Iddy on Aug 14, 2019 2:35:54 GMT
...truly were the Herald? Literally delivered from the Fade by Andraste herself?
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Post by phoray on Aug 14, 2019 5:32:50 GMT
no.
I wish they'd never told me, to be honest.
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Post by Blaze on Aug 14, 2019 10:58:41 GMT
i think it was better if it remained a mystery. you can choose to believe or not, the whole point of faith is that you don't know for sure but you just believe. as much as i loved here lies the abyss and the fade part of it, sometimes it's best to not get all the answer, so you are left to decide what you believe.
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Post by fylimar on Aug 14, 2019 11:04:21 GMT
i think it was better if it remained a mystery. you can choose to believe or not, the whole point of faith is that you don't know for sure but you just believe. as much as i loved here lies the abyss and the fade part of it, sometimes it's best to not get all the answer, so you are left to decide what you believe. This, basically. I'm not a religious person, so I was kind of happy, that it really wasn't Andraste, but some people might have loved to go all Chosen One here. So keeping it a mystery might have been teh best option.
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Post by Sokemis on Aug 14, 2019 11:39:02 GMT
i think it was better if it remained a mystery. you can choose to believe or not, the whole point of faith is that you don't know for sure but you just believe. as much as i loved here lies the abyss and the fade part of it, sometimes it's best to not get all the answer, so you are left to decide what you believe. This, basically. I'm not a religious person, so I was kind of happy, that it really wasn't Andraste, but some people might have loved to go all Chosen One here. So keeping it a mystery might have been teh best option. Same
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Post by amalthea on Aug 14, 2019 12:52:14 GMT
Honestly, I wouldn't have minded tremendously... but I prefer the way they have it now (as it seems most other people in this thread do, too), which is that you can decide for yourself. Also leaves room for more head-cannoning that way.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 14, 2019 16:41:13 GMT
Honestly, I wouldn't have minded tremendously... but I prefer the way they have it now (as it seems most other people in this thread do, too), which is that you can decide for yourself. Also leaves room for more head-cannoning that way. I don't think HLTA left any room for interpretation. It was pretty clear-cut.
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Post by xerrai on Aug 14, 2019 18:35:50 GMT
Honestly, I wouldn't have minded tremendously... but I prefer the way they have it now (as it seems most other people in this thread do, too), which is that you can decide for yourself. Also leaves room for more head-cannoning that way. I don't think HLTA left any room for interpretation. It was pretty clear-cut. Isn't it? Sure most are left to assume that it was the Divine--and only the Divine--that let the Herald out of the fade, but the quest itself leaves a lot of things open for interpretation. Is the spirit just a spirit imitating Justinia or is it Justinia's ghost? Was it Andraste's/the Maker's will to have the Divine lead us out of the fade? Or was it not? If the Divine was lead by Andraste's will, then could it not be said that "Andraste delivered the Inquisitor from the fade"? The Inquisitor is even left to have a few talks with Cassandra and Leliana about what was seen there and if what the Spirit!Divine said or did had any merit. Unlike the other quests this one deals heavily with the concept of faith and justifiably has it set up where the player and other characters can ask questions. It's not like, say, Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts or The Champions of the Just which were more clear-cut by comparison. And the thing is, the game makes it clear that no matter our interpretation, each viewpoint is perfectly valid.
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Post by House Targaryen on Aug 15, 2019 4:55:34 GMT
My current character, Melisandre, believes she is the herald and nothing will change her opinion of it.
But its something that should remain a mystery, just like Bioware not confirming or denying the existence of the Maker.
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Post by phoray on Aug 15, 2019 23:13:28 GMT
xerraiI still think they gave us too many definitive details. I remember how the mystery affected how I responded to things my first PT, waffling between "Maybe I am, Maybe I'm not" from conversation to conversation.... only for me to be honestly disappointed that I'd gotten concrete confirmation of human intervention come HTLA. Then it's up to your definition of divine intervention, rather than what it could have been.
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Post by Doominike on Aug 16, 2019 2:39:25 GMT
No, it's better that it's up to interpretation. Allows different characters to be roleplayed with their own views. My vashoth Hissera's starting opinion is that all mythology is just stories so being any kind of divinely chosen is some bullshit. My dalish mage Adhal personally worshiped the Creators but was open to all myths being at least based on some truth if there was proof. My human rogue Katherine was basically a nay-theist, she acknowledged that powerful magical beings existed, she just didn't recognize them as gods. I have a recent human warrior who is my only faithful inquisitor and I can't think of an in-character reason why she thinks the Anchor is divine, I just pick the dialogue lines with "maker" or "andraste" in them cause I want to see what they playthrough is like.
Imo Bioware saying they'll never confirm either whether "the Maker" exists basically means he doesn't. Not sure why they would make a special case of it tbh, the Elven Creators are confirmed, the Tevinter Old Gods are confirmed, the dwarves have the Titans now and them having "stone sense" means there's *something* to their whole "The Stone" belief. I always assumed the Maker would turn out to be real but not be what the stories say, like the other mythologies of Thedas have been revealed to be.
My current headcanon/theory (which is likely to remain if they're not gonna confirm anything) is that Andraste was a mage who was empowered by a particularly powerful spirit called The Maker which she called a god like the Avvar call spirits "gods" and all the stories about all-powerful divine stuff was exaggerated rubbish based on that.
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Post by xerrai on Aug 16, 2019 3:01:59 GMT
xerrai I still think they gave us too many definitive details. I remember how the mystery affected how I responded to things my first PT, waffling between "Maybe I am, Maybe I'm not" from conversation to conversation.... only for me to be honestly disappointed that I'd gotten concrete confirmation of human intervention come HTLA. Then it's up to your definition of divine intervention, rather than what it could have been. Fair enough. Though if they were going to reveal what happened in the fade anyway, I am at the very least I am thankful that they bothered to add a bit of nuance to the whole spirit reveal instead of just having us visit an actual flesh-and-blood Justinia in HLTA or something. But I suppose that if they really wanted to have more ambiguity they could have added more doubt on the validity about what we saw in the nightmare's/Inquisitor's stolen memories. A discussion or companion comment about how the memories were possibly fabricated or something.
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 19, 2019 20:03:20 GMT
Absolutely not. I prefer that the conflict is ultimately mundane by the standards of the setting.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 20, 2019 0:45:01 GMT
All this talk makes me hope we'll learn the truth about Andraste. If they won't reveal the Maker, then at least that.
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