cypherj
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 1,586 Likes: 2,396
inherit
6438
0
Dec 15, 2021 17:52:40 GMT
2,396
cypherj
1,586
Mar 28, 2017 14:46:05 GMT
March 2017
cypherj
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by cypherj on Oct 25, 2019 1:25:39 GMT
Well, I mean, if by transparency you mean what happened with Anthem, you can't show the 2017 E3 footage and then release the game in the state that it was. All of the 2017 footage was fabricated and was, supposedly *in game footage*. That's not very transparent. That's outright lying. Was it actually outright fabricated? ME1 also had a demo reel full of stuff that wasn't in the released game, but the stuff was real. They created something for the sole purpose of showing at the show, and said that it was captured real time in a game that didn't even exist at the time. If that's not fabrication what is?
|
|
inherit
The Smiling Knight
538
0
Apr 23, 2024 23:47:50 GMT
21,880
smilesja
13,721
August 2016
smilesja
|
Post by smilesja on Oct 25, 2019 1:59:41 GMT
I am talking more about how people develop opinions on what BioWare releases and not trailers so something like how people were talking when BioWare said they weren't going to have lootboxes, but instead have a microtransaction system for cosmetic items that could be also earned just playing the game. For to me transparency isn't just releasing fancy videos, but talking about the systems and how they plan to monetize the game which doesn't always need anything more then a statement of what they plan on doing. I think it is the gaming industry as a whole that has garnered such mistrust, I think. And EA is one of the two biggest offenders. As usual, the MTX implementation is not up to the hand of the developer, but more so the publisher. But Andrew Wilson and Bobby Kotick aren't the community managers that engage with the audience, so the distrust and contempt gets inevitably dropped on the people tasked with receiving those insults. I've been on the receiving end of that stick and I can tell you, it's not all sunshine and rainbows, but that's the job. As much as we cry about toxicity and gamer entitlement, that's the community manager's job as well as everyone under them.
Do you think Blizzard's forums aren't aflame with Blizzard's continuous missteps the past year? Or the Blizzard subreddit? Things there are far worse than anything Bioware faced. Blizzard didn't burn their forums and drop their reddit to go hide under mama Activision's wing for shelter. At least not yet. Deciding to cut ties with your community is not a viable tactic once, let alone twice.
Blizzard kinda did by banning people in their live chats and preventing them from unsubscribing with some games (Or some gamers claim.)
|
|
Sanunes
N6
Just a flip of the coin.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Prime Posts: 4392
Prime Likes: 882
Posts: 5,899 Likes: 8,927
inherit
1561
0
8,927
Sanunes
Just a flip of the coin.
5,899
Sept 13, 2016 11:51:12 GMT
September 2016
sanunes
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
4392
882
|
Post by Sanunes on Oct 25, 2019 3:04:31 GMT
Was it actually outright fabricated? ME1 also had a demo reel full of stuff that wasn't in the released game, but the stuff was real. They created something for the sole purpose of showing at the show, and said that it was captured real time in a game that didn't even exist at the time. If that's not fabrication what is? It was a cinematic built in the game engine. So does that mean any cinematic released before a game's release is lying to us? Then there are a lot more developers that lie to us.
|
|
cypherj
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 1,586 Likes: 2,396
inherit
6438
0
Dec 15, 2021 17:52:40 GMT
2,396
cypherj
1,586
Mar 28, 2017 14:46:05 GMT
March 2017
cypherj
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by cypherj on Oct 25, 2019 3:11:18 GMT
They created something for the sole purpose of showing at the show, and said that it was captured real time in a game that didn't even exist at the time. If that's not fabrication what is? It was a cinematic built in the game engine. So does that mean any cinematic released before a game's release is lying to us? Then there are a lot more developers that lie to us. It wasn't a cinematic. it was supposedly game play, captured in real time. That was supposedly the player walking around fort tarsis and doing other things in game.
|
|
Sanunes
N6
Just a flip of the coin.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Prime Posts: 4392
Prime Likes: 882
Posts: 5,899 Likes: 8,927
inherit
1561
0
8,927
Sanunes
Just a flip of the coin.
5,899
Sept 13, 2016 11:51:12 GMT
September 2016
sanunes
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
4392
882
|
Post by Sanunes on Oct 25, 2019 4:43:31 GMT
It was a cinematic built in the game engine. So does that mean any cinematic released before a game's release is lying to us? Then there are a lot more developers that lie to us. It wasn't a cinematic. it was supposedly game play, captured in real time. That was supposedly the player walking around fort tarsis and doing other things in game. Must be just how I see things anymore then, for I think of anything shown to me more then a few months away from launch to be either unreliable or a cinematic.
|
|
inherit
1033
0
31,220
colfoley
16,558
Aug 17, 2016 10:19:37 GMT
August 2016
colfoley
|
Post by colfoley on Oct 25, 2019 5:21:08 GMT
While I didn't really follow the development for Anthem too closely I really wouldn't trust 'early stage demos' as being indicitive...and I don't really blame the companies for it, for a couple of reasons.
1. Its obviously what the companies are aiming for at the time. Now this is subjective to change but this shouldn't be taken as what the final product will be, but what they are aiming for. The issue is when companies aren't 'transparent' about when these features no longer apply...not a big deal but it is something to keep in mind to have everyone on the same page.
2. I always suspected that it is far easier to develop a 30 minute stage demo and scrub it for bugs and have a higher quality over all then it is for a 40 hour+ game.
|
|
Gileadan
N5
Agent 46
Clearance Level Ultra
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: ALoneGretchin
Posts: 2,671 Likes: 6,651
inherit
Agent 46
177
0
Apr 24, 2024 19:28:47 GMT
6,651
Gileadan
Clearance Level Ultra
2,671
August 2016
gileadan
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
ALoneGretchin
|
Post by Gileadan on Oct 25, 2019 6:33:18 GMT
While the E3 2017 Anthem trailer explicitly stated that it was captured from the game in real time, Anthem was actually still in pre-production at that time, so there was no game it could have been captured from.
The trailer was actually based on the demo they made for Patrick Söderlund and was quite different from the actual game that was published later. In the trailer, Fort Tarsis is much more lively, there are no loading screens (something the actual game is riddled with) and the entire world is larger (the final product looks greatly scaled down from the demo).
That trailer wasn't just the usual E3 BS with nicer vegetation and lighting which gets removed in the final product because consoles can't run it, it was technically based on a completely different game demo that just happened to look mostly the same.
|
|
inherit
The homeostatic problem-solving structure
8860
0
Apr 26, 2022 11:22:31 GMT
8,541
Unicephalon 40-D
An unknown possibly hostile flotilla detected at eight hundred astronomical units from the sun!
4,800
Jun 29, 2017 12:57:11 GMT
June 2017
legendcncd
Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
LegendCNCD / AsariLoverFI
|
Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 25, 2019 8:05:06 GMT
I'd say they had already a game, but of course it wasnt the final product ( ) Also it easily could have been realtime (and probably was, as they already had the game, not in the final form - a limited corridor of assets to fly through or such). But getting angry about game developement, when something is shown early its about to change, is mostly not knowing how things work.
|
|
correctamundo
N5
Dr Obfuscate
Don't knock the little winds. They're important - for morale.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
Origin: correctamundo1
Prime Posts: A thousand and then some.
Prime Likes: They never liked me! No one likes me!
Posts: 2,830 Likes: 5,270
inherit
Dr Obfuscate
807
0
Nov 10, 2023 13:59:26 GMT
5,270
correctamundo
Don't knock the little winds. They're important - for morale.
2,830
August 2016
correctamundo
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
correctamundo1
A thousand and then some.
They never liked me! No one likes me!
|
Post by correctamundo on Oct 25, 2019 8:26:01 GMT
Except for Praxley everything showed in the E3 2017 is pretty much in the game as of now.
|
|
inherit
1033
0
31,220
colfoley
16,558
Aug 17, 2016 10:19:37 GMT
August 2016
colfoley
|
Post by colfoley on Oct 25, 2019 8:35:46 GMT
Is it just me or is this someething that games don't get slack for that movies and other forms of media tend to? How many movie trailers have been shown with scenes that don't show up in the movie period or greatly modified solely for the purposes of the trailer and to sell the product or hide important plot spoilers? And Yet I don't hear much, if any, general public outcry against them.
|
|
Gileadan
N5
Agent 46
Clearance Level Ultra
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: ALoneGretchin
Posts: 2,671 Likes: 6,651
inherit
Agent 46
177
0
Apr 24, 2024 19:28:47 GMT
6,651
Gileadan
Clearance Level Ultra
2,671
August 2016
gileadan
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
ALoneGretchin
|
Post by Gileadan on Oct 25, 2019 9:00:30 GMT
Is it just me or is this someething that games don't get slack for that movies and other forms of media tend to? How many movie trailers have been shown with scenes that don't show up in the movie period or greatly modified solely for the purposes of the trailer and to sell the product or hide important plot spoilers? And Yet I don't hear much, if any, general public outcry against them. The difference is that Anthem's E3 2017 trailer explicitly tried to state the opposite - that it was recorded from the actual game running in real time - when there was no game yet. They weren't even sure what Anthem was going to be at that point. They had just renamed it from its originally planned title "Beyond" (which EA couldn't secure a copyright to, so it had to be renamed) and hastily re-finagled the storyline to include the "Anthem of Creation" so the title would actually make at least a bit of sense. They essentially said "look, this is what the game we are making looks and plays like right now" when the game didn't exist yet. Not looked differently, not played differently... didn't exist. The Praxley character disappearing is no biggie, that was probably just a case of Battlefield 1 calling and wanting its Australian protagonist back. There are numerous comparisons between the E3 trailer and the actual game out there. We still have the "What we know about Anthem" thread on our forum here, which is an interesting read after the game's release. I think no one expects E3 trailers to be accurate representations of the final game release, but Anthem kinda stands out, shoulder to shoulder with the trailers of Aliens: Colonial Marines and the first Watch_Dogs when it comes to just how big the differences can be.
|
|
cypherj
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 1,586 Likes: 2,396
inherit
6438
0
Dec 15, 2021 17:52:40 GMT
2,396
cypherj
1,586
Mar 28, 2017 14:46:05 GMT
March 2017
cypherj
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by cypherj on Oct 25, 2019 11:17:29 GMT
It wasn't a cinematic. it was supposedly game play, captured in real time. That was supposedly the player walking around fort tarsis and doing other things in game. Must be just how I see things anymore then, for I think of anything shown to me more then a few months away from launch to be either unreliable or a cinematic. There's a huge difference between... 1) Showing a game actually in production, and then later on saying this has to run on lower quality PCs, consoles , last gen or whatever, so we have to downgrade some things. and... 2) We don't have a game so we're just gonna throw something together that's not going to be anywhere indicative of what we actually start working on later and pass it off as the game. I don't really give much mind to cinematic trailers. But when it comes to someone saying this is the gameplay, I'm trying to think of another game in the past couple years that I've played where this was the case and I can't. Even what I've seen from the final showing of FF VII the remake looks pretty much like what they showed early on. I remember games like Sekiro when it was pretty much spot on. To me, to just say well, everyone does this, is like when people say all games have bugs and you're counting a game with normal release bugs in the same category as something like Fallout 76. Having bugs and the product being clearly unfinished at time of release are not the same thing, just like my two examples above aren't. It's like gamers have been beaten and ground down to the point where they'll not only just accept anything as normal, but will defend these companies. That just encourages companies to keep pushing the limits of what people will accept.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 25, 2019 12:07:25 GMT
TBF i haven't touched CoD since MW 3. Also don't like competitive mp so I doubt I'll ever experience *that*, but on the face of it I can see pros and cons. I don't play CoD either. Haven't played since 2. Not BLOPS2, nor MW2. CoD2. I just keep myself updated on the ongoings of popular gaming franchises.
|
|
inherit
1817
0
8,391
Kappa Neko
...lives for biotic explosions. And cheesecake!
3,370
Oct 18, 2016 21:17:18 GMT
October 2016
kappaneko
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 25, 2019 12:40:26 GMT
It's like gamers have been beaten and ground down to the point where they'll not only just accept anything as normal, but will defend these companies. That just encourages companies to keep pushing the limits of what people will accept.THIS. So much this! It's sad how much shit people are willing to eat these days...
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 25, 2019 14:58:07 GMT
Blizzard kinda did by banning people in their live chats Blizzard publicly stated it was the live stream service banning people for spam and that it was settled a little while later. preventing them from unsubscribing with some games That seems like doing everything they can to keep players and community members. It may anger quite a few people, but it isn't scorched earth. At least, not like Bioware's.
|
|
Heimdall
N6
∯ Interjector in Chief
Staff Mini-Profile Theme: Heimdall
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: HeimdallX
Posts: 5,574 Likes: 12,623
inherit
∯ Interjector in Chief
279
0
1
Apr 24, 2024 18:46:26 GMT
12,623
Heimdall
5,574
August 2016
heimdall
Heimdall
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
HeimdallX
|
Post by Heimdall on Oct 25, 2019 18:09:15 GMT
The difference is that Anthem's E3 2017 trailer explicitly tried to state the opposite - that it was recorded from the actual game running in real time - when there was no game yet. Sure there was. It was an unfinished mess nowhere close to being ready for release, but there was a game. They had flying, they had guns and gear even if how they would be implemented changed dramatically. Even the Praxely conversation isn’t much different from the sort of Fort Tarsis cutscene conversations that came with the game at release. The only thing that was clearly cut with no replacement or reworking was the Shaper Storm as a dynamic event. People read way too many promises that were never made into that demo.
|
|
inherit
1033
0
31,220
colfoley
16,558
Aug 17, 2016 10:19:37 GMT
August 2016
colfoley
|
Post by colfoley on Oct 25, 2019 18:36:15 GMT
Must be just how I see things anymore then, for I think of anything shown to me more then a few months away from launch to be either unreliable or a cinematic. There's a huge difference between... 1) Showing a game actually in production, and then later on saying this has to run on lower quality PCs, consoles , last gen or whatever, so we have to downgrade some things. and... 2) We don't have a game so we're just gonna throw something together that's not going to be anywhere indicative of what we actually start working on later and pass it off as the game. I don't really give much mind to cinematic trailers. But when it comes to someone saying this is the gameplay, I'm trying to think of another game in the past couple years that I've played where this was the case and I can't. Even what I've seen from the final showing of FF VII the remake looks pretty much like what they showed early on. I remember games like Sekiro when it was pretty much spot on. To me, to just say well, everyone does this, is like when people say all games have bugs and you're counting a game with normal release bugs in the same category as something like Fallout 76. Having bugs and the product being clearly unfinished at time of release are not the same thing, just like my two examples above aren't. It's like gamers have been beaten and ground down to the point where they'll not only just accept anything as normal, but will defend these companies. That just encourages companies to keep pushing the limits of what people will accept. or maybe everyone has different tastes, different thresholds, and actually remember when MTXs and things of that nature were a lot worse. Bottom line we don't need a white knight.
|
|
Gileadan
N5
Agent 46
Clearance Level Ultra
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: ALoneGretchin
Posts: 2,671 Likes: 6,651
inherit
Agent 46
177
0
Apr 24, 2024 19:28:47 GMT
6,651
Gileadan
Clearance Level Ultra
2,671
August 2016
gileadan
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
ALoneGretchin
|
Post by Gileadan on Oct 25, 2019 20:39:04 GMT
The difference is that Anthem's E3 2017 trailer explicitly tried to state the opposite - that it was recorded from the actual game running in real time - when there was no game yet. Sure there was. It was an unfinished mess nowhere close to being ready for release, but there was a game. They had flying, they had guns and gear even if how they would be implemented changed dramatically. Even the Praxely conversation isn’t much different from the sort of Fort Tarsis cutscene conversations that came with the game at release. The only thing that was clearly cut with no replacement or reworking was the Shaper Storm as a dynamic event. People read way too many promises that were never made into that demo. From Jason Schreier's article, spoilered for size: (tldr: essentially there was no game beyond what the demo showed, practically no mission was implemented yet, even the devs themselves didn't know yet what kind of game Anthem would be) This demo became the foundation for the seven-minute gameplay trailer that BioWare showed the public a few weeks later. In June of 2017, just a few days after that last-minute name change from Beyond to Anthem, BioWare boss Aaryn Flynn took the stage of EA’s E3 press conference and announced the game. The next day, at Microsoft’s press conference, they showed a demo that helped everyone, including BioWare’s own developers, finally see how Anthem would play.
What the public didn’t know was that even then, Anthem was still in pre-production. Progress had been so slow that the demo was mostly guesswork, team members say, which is why the Anthem that actually launched looks so drastically different than the demo the team showed at E3 2017. In the real game, you have to go through a mission selection menu and a loading screen before you can leave your base in Fort Tarsis; in the demo, it all happens seamlessly. The demo is full of dynamic environments, giant creatures, and mechanics that bear little resemblance to the final product, like getting to see new loot when you pick it up rather than having to wait until the end of a mission.
“After E3, that’s when it really felt like, ‘Okay, this is the game we’re making,’” said one Anthem developer. “But it still felt like it took a while to get the entire team up to speed. It was also kind of tricky because there were still a lot of question marks. The demo was not actually built properly—a lot of it was fake, like most E3 demos. There was a lot of stuff that was like, ‘Oh are we actually doing this? Do we have the tech for that, do we have the tools for that? To what end can you fly? How big should the world be?’”
“The abilities and all that were still getting decided,” said another developer. “Nothing was set in stone at that point at all.” Said a third: “Going out of pre-production is never really a crisp thing. You have to just look at the attitude of the team and what they’re doing. The fact of the matter is, fundamental things were not figured out yet.”
At E3 2017, BioWare announced that Anthem would launch in fall 2018. Behind the scenes, however, they had barely even implemented a single mission. And the drama was just getting worse.
|
|
Heimdall
N6
∯ Interjector in Chief
Staff Mini-Profile Theme: Heimdall
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: HeimdallX
Posts: 5,574 Likes: 12,623
inherit
∯ Interjector in Chief
279
0
1
Apr 24, 2024 18:46:26 GMT
12,623
Heimdall
5,574
August 2016
heimdall
Heimdall
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
HeimdallX
|
Post by Heimdall on Oct 25, 2019 21:44:47 GMT
(tldr: essentially there was no game beyond what the demo showed, practically no mission was implemented yet, even the devs themselves didn't know yet what kind of game Anthem would be) I feel like we’re working with different definitions of “game” If it wasn’t all prerendered CGI fakery and they were really recording someone playing, which is my understanding even if it was more of a prototype, they were recording gameplay.
|
|
inherit
1817
0
8,391
Kappa Neko
...lives for biotic explosions. And cheesecake!
3,370
Oct 18, 2016 21:17:18 GMT
October 2016
kappaneko
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 25, 2019 22:07:19 GMT
It was a tech demo...
|
|
revelationeffect
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
Posts: 116 Likes: 264
inherit
4290
0
264
revelationeffect
116
March 2017
revelationeffect
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
|
Post by revelationeffect on Oct 25, 2019 22:34:35 GMT
(tldr: essentially there was no game beyond what the demo showed, practically no mission was implemented yet, even the devs themselves didn't know yet what kind of game Anthem would be) I feel like we’re working with different definitions of “game” If it wasn’t all prerendered CGI fakery and they were really recording someone playing, which is my understanding even if it was more of a prototype, they were recording gameplay. Yeah, it seems to me they had most of the core gameplay features figured out, they just had no idea what any of the details or the individual missions were going to look like in practice. It’s really not any more misleading than I’d expect any demo two years out from release to be. It does obfuscate the fact that there was very little figured out beyond what they’d shown, but the demo itself doesn’t really have any more fabrications than many e3 demos, as Schreier himself says. This is not to downplay the mismanagement BioWare has been experiencing, both at the hands of BioWare upper management and EA alike, but fixating on the e3 demo in that particular way seems to me a weird place to focus criticism. If anything, having to make the demo was actually helpful and demonstrates the most focus the project had shown to that time and is thus one of the least egregious aspects of Anthem’s development hell.
|
|
inherit
The homeostatic problem-solving structure
8860
0
Apr 26, 2022 11:22:31 GMT
8,541
Unicephalon 40-D
An unknown possibly hostile flotilla detected at eight hundred astronomical units from the sun!
4,800
Jun 29, 2017 12:57:11 GMT
June 2017
legendcncd
Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
LegendCNCD / AsariLoverFI
|
Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 26, 2019 8:24:45 GMT
A tech demo can have game and gameplay in it. The game might be very shallow but its still a game continue forward plz.
|
|
inherit
PUG-Queen
952
0
2,689
Dekibra
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1,635
Aug 13, 2016 12:21:58 GMT
August 2016
dekibra
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, SWTOR, Anthem
Dekibra
|
Post by Dekibra on Oct 28, 2019 12:38:08 GMT
sorry, couldn't resist
|
|
inherit
975
0
Apr 13, 2024 10:00:53 GMT
1,677
cloud9
3,871
Aug 14, 2016 11:41:22 GMT
August 2016
cloud9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2
sicklyhour015
|
Post by cloud9 on Nov 1, 2019 22:05:28 GMT
Christ, I will be so relieved when CDPR finally fucks up and every thread on this forum doesn't pivot to only talking about them instead. Wow. The hate is strong with this one.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 23, 2024 17:30:54 GMT
30,246
Hanako Ikezawa
22,353
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 1, 2019 22:15:31 GMT
Christ, I will be so relieved when CDPR finally fucks up and every thread on this forum doesn't pivot to only talking about them instead. Wow. The hate is strong with this one.
|
|