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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 19:17:09 GMT
Ah. I don't see that happening. Perhaps as a "who done it" that was privy to the inner workings of the initiative and managed to stumble upon whoever it was that sabotaged the arks, but that would suck because, you know what? Nothing you do matters, because we would already know that we'd have failed in the end and we'd have to be killed off, because nobody knows how any of that happened. Well First off No Player Character is immortal that is a given. Even My Cerberus Phantom Commander would live a very long time but even then he will not live forever. One of the main hooks that he would have is that 1) he is not Shepard and 2) he is not either of the Ryder twins. If they go with an Andromeda Initiative prequel, I think I'd rather play as Alec Ryder or Jien Garson. Alec just doesn't suit me as the sort of person who would take well to having his family rescued by a Cerberus Phantom. He would take charge and do the rescuing himself... and there's a lot we don't know about his rise into the N7 ranks. We know hardly anything about Jien Garson. It has the same issue as any prequel... you already know how it has to end.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 11, 2019 19:40:30 GMT
Well First off No Player Character is immortal that is a given. Even My Cerberus Phantom Commander would live a very long time but even then he will not live forever. One of the main hooks that he would have is that 1) he is not Shepard and 2) he is not either of the Ryder twins. If they go with an Andromeda Initiative prequel, I think I'd rather play as Alec Ryder or Jien Garson. Alec just doesn't suit me as the sort of person who would take well to having his family rescued by a Cerberus Phantom. He would take charge and do the rescuing himself... and there's a lot we don't know about his rise into the N7 ranks. We know hardly anything about Jien Garson. Well Cerberus Phantom would be the overt in your face and able to Not use a Cerberus Phantom Armor. My original idea that Cerberus Phantom was investiaging Black Talon activity on the Citadel and he would meet up with Alec Ryder and Cora Harper. And Alec Ryder would play as major role in missions relating to saving the Entire Andromeda Initiative. Each of the members of Ryder's ME:A would help out in some form. All that Alec Ryder knows about Cerberus Phantom as a normal personat all is that Cerberus Phantom surived a Terrorist Attack on the Citadel and his family is dead and not of the connections to Cerberus or the missions Cerberus Phantom did. Ryder Twins will take out a dangerous Black Talon Commander and his squad. Jien Garson would be play a major role and working with Alec to preserve all of the important assets for the entire Andromeda Initiative. Black Talons have marked Jien Garson for Termination. Are you familar with Oblivion with Player Character is in more of a Lancer role than Protagonist role? Cerberus Phantom at best would a Lancer for Alec Ryder and Jien Garson while hunting Black Talons. Also Mildly Dissociate the Cerberus Organization from the Benefactor role as Cerberus/Benefactor Fan theory and having Cerberus Phantom reporting about Andromeda Initiative to T.I.M. and having Cerberus Phantom basicly going undercover to help out Alec Ryder out. Also possible back story between T.I.M. and Alex Ryder and some context of the First Contact War.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 20:07:12 GMT
If they go with an Andromeda Initiative prequel, I think I'd rather play as Alec Ryder or Jien Garson. Alec just doesn't suit me as the sort of person who would take well to having his family rescued by a Cerberus Phantom. He would take charge and do the rescuing himself... and there's a lot we don't know about his rise into the N7 ranks. We know hardly anything about Jien Garson. Well Cerberus Phantom would be the overt in your face and able to Not use a Cerberus Phantom Armor. My original idea that Cerberus Phantom was investiaging Black Talon activity on the Citadel and he would meet up with Alec Ryder and Cora Harper. And Alec Ryder would play as major role in missions relating to saving the Entire Andromeda Initiative. Each of the members of Ryder's ME:A would help out in some form. All that Alec Ryder knows about Cerberus Phantom as a normal personat all is that Cerberus Phantom surived a Terrorist Attack on the Citadel and his family is dead and not of the connections to Cerberus or the missions Cerberus Phantom did. Ryder Twins will take out a dangerous Black Talon Commander and his squad. Jien Garson would be play a major role and working with Alec to preserve all of the important assets for the entire Andromeda Initiative. Black Talons have marked Jien Garson for Termination. Are you familar with Oblivion with Player Character is in more of a Lancer role than Protagonist role? Cerberus Phantom at best would a Lancer for Alec Ryder and Jien Garson while hunting Black Talons. Also Mildly Dissociate the Cerberus Organization from the Benefactor role as Cerberus/Benefactor Fan theory and having Cerberus Phantom reporting about Andromeda Initiative to T.I.M. and having Cerberus Phantom basicly going undercover to help out Alec Ryder out. Also possible back story between T.I.M. and Alex Ryder and some context of the First Contact War. Oblivion is yet another game I've played that I couldn't really be bothered to finish. The PC was basically a personality-less avatar that couldn't hold my interest and then the game's leveling system really just became too grindy... also far too many Oblivion Gates to contend with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2019 20:13:55 GMT
Nothing to do with Cerberus please. We’ve already had enough of that.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 11, 2019 20:20:02 GMT
Nothing to do with Cerberus please. We’ve already had enough of that. Bring Cerberus back. In MEA2, they can be the saviors for the Initiative when dealing with the Kett. Cora will become TID or TIW.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 11, 2019 20:53:06 GMT
Nothing to do with Cerberus please. We’ve already had enough of that. Well Cerberus's existence is to annoy people....that is why they exist....Also themikefest, i have no problem in having Cerberus Phantom making a reference to Jack Harper to possible relative to her while talking to her about her family. Also Hanako, how big of a fan are you of Kelly Chambers? I might have an idea to work with her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2019 21:30:18 GMT
Nothing to do with Cerberus please. We’ve already had enough of that. Bring Cerberus back. In MEA2, they can be the saviors for the Initiative when dealing with the Kett. Cora will become TID or TIW. No. Nothing to do with Cerberus please. We’ve already had enough of that. Well Cerberus's existence is to annoy people....that is why they exist....Also themikefest, i have no problem in having Cerberus Phantom making a reference to Jack Harper to possible relative to her while talking to her about her family. Also Hanako, how big of a fan are you of Kelly Chambers? I might have an idea to work with her. She’s not part of Cerberus anymore (never really was according to TIM’s files) and they actively tried to kill her, so I don’t see any idea with them together that works.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 11, 2019 21:33:55 GMT
What if, in a prequel, Cerberus kidnaps the Ryder kids before they go to Andromeda? What Cerberus does is make a clone of each to replace the originals to travel to Andromeda. It would explain why the Ryder's act the way they do in MEA. In ME4, while Shepard is investigating Cronos, the Ryders are found. Jana explains to Shepard and Ryders why TIM had them kidnapped.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 11, 2019 22:00:06 GMT
What if, in a prequel, Cerberus kidnaps the Ryder kids before they go to Andromeda? What Cerberus does is make a clone of each to replace the originals to travel to Andromeda. It would explain why the Ryder's act the way they do in MEA. In ME4, while Shepard is investigating Cronos, the Ryders are found. Jana explains to Shepard and Ryders why TIM had them kidnapped.
That would be interesting. Keep in mind that Warlord Okeer and Saren had cloning labs as well. It doesn't mean that another faction didn't kidnapped them and use clones in their place. Also outside of the cloning story element, Cryo Sleep for 600 years could effect people's personality differently.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 12, 2019 22:50:51 GMT
Nothing to do with Cerberus please. We’ve already had enough of that. Bring Cerberus back. In MEA2, they can be the saviors for the Initiative when dealing with the Kett. Cora will become TID or TIW. Absolutely not.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 12, 2019 23:47:47 GMT
Bring Cerberus back. In MEA2, they can be the saviors for the Initiative when dealing with the Kett. Cora will become TID or TIW. Absolutely not. I rather have to develop a New Character to replace T.I.M than have Cora Harper being the head of Andromeda faction of Cerberus. If Cerberus would return, Cora is more by the book type of Character and a better fit to compliment Ryder Twins and their squad than having her starting a Cerberus Faction in Andromeda. Conversely having New Player Character with 2 other characters become the new heads of Cerberus. 3 Leaders=3 Heads of Cerberus
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 13, 2019 0:19:14 GMT
I rather have to develop a New Character to replace T.I.M than have Cora Harper being the head of Andromeda faction of Cerberus. If Cerberus would return, Cora is more by the book type of Character and a better fit to compliment Ryder Twins and their squad than having her starting a Cerberus Faction in Andromeda. Conversely having New Player Character with 2 other characters become the new heads of Cerberus. 3 Leaders=3 Heads of Cerberus She wouldn't anyway. She doesn't share their ideology.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 13, 2019 0:31:09 GMT
I rather have to develop a New Character to replace T.I.M than have Cora Harper being the head of Andromeda faction of Cerberus. If Cerberus would return, Cora is more by the book type of Character and a better fit to compliment Ryder Twins and their squad than having her starting a Cerberus Faction in Andromeda. Conversely having New Player Character with 2 other characters become the new heads of Cerberus. 3 Leaders=3 Heads of Cerberus She wouldn't anyway. She doesn't share their ideology. Exactly. Besides, we already know that she isn't related to TIM. They just have the same last name. Like I said before, no Cerberus in Andromeda please. That one mission with the ex-CErberus scientists and maybe a rare nod like Suvi almost being part of Project Lazarus is enough.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 13, 2019 0:34:29 GMT
She wouldn't anyway. She doesn't share their ideology. Exactly. Besides, we already know that she isn't related to TIM. They just have the same last name. Like I said before, no Cerberus in Andromeda please. That one mission with the ex-CErberus scientists and maybe a rare nod like Suvi almost being part of Project Lazarus is enough. Agreed.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 13, 2019 1:08:19 GMT
With my Cerberus Phantom Commander and his cell would out of place in Andromeda....
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Post by themikefest on Oct 13, 2019 12:02:37 GMT
Absolutely yes She wouldn't anyway. She doesn't share their ideology. Yeah she would. After facing her asari idol and learning how much of a dirtbag she is, Cora has no use for the asari anymore. She leaves the Tempest because she can't stand the stowaway and the lexi asari. She ends up joining Cerberus
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 13, 2019 13:00:00 GMT
She wouldn't anyway. She doesn't share their ideology. Yeah she would. After facing her asari idol and learning how much of a dirtbag she is, Cora has no use for the asari anymore. She leaves the Tempest because she can't stand the stowaway and the lexi asari. She ends up joining Cerberus ... provided she 1) does hate asari as much as you seem to do. And 2) ignore the fact that 93.7% of all Cerberus research projects go FUBAR and get their scientist killed. I did not got the impression that Cora has that much of lack of basic survival instinct.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 13, 2019 13:12:19 GMT
Absolutely yes She wouldn't anyway. She doesn't share their ideology. Yeah she would. After facing her asari idol and learning how much of a dirtbag she is, Cora has no use for the asari anymore. She leaves the Tempest because she can't stand the stowaway and the lexi asari. She ends up joining Cerberus Nope. You hate the Asari but she doesn't.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 13, 2019 13:52:05 GMT
Right. The problem with Sarissa was that she didn't live up to asari ideals, so Cora turning her back on asari culture because of Sarissa's failings is idiotic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 15:30:00 GMT
Absolutely yes She wouldn't anyway. She doesn't share their ideology. Yeah she would. After facing her asari idol and learning how much of a dirtbag she is, Cora has no use for the asari anymore. She leaves the Tempest because she can't stand the stowaway and the lexi asari. She ends up joining Cerberus Cora clearly does not hate the Asari after the Asari ark mission. I just had a conversation between her and Drack in the nomad where she suggests she should burn all of Sarissa's manuals. When Drack tells her not to because they turned her into the fighter she is, she thanks him sincerely for convincing her to keep them. I've also had conversations with her on the Nexus where she expresses sadness/sympathy for Sarissa. Furthermore, her dialogue of war stories regarding how she misses her sister commandos doesn't change after the mission either... she'll still say she misses them (as an example). What she expresses right after the mission... "Can I just start this day over again and not have a pathfinder stripped of everything she loves." is definitely nnot something someone who now hates the Asari would say. Furthermore, she will mentor Vedaria... help her become a better pathfinder. That's not something someone who now hates the species would do.
She merely uses the experience to stop idolizing others and becomes more self-confident. The relationship with BroRyder then evolves around her not idolizing him but working with him as an equal partner... she's no longer jealous of him becoming pathfinder. Furthermore, she will mentor Vedaria, if she becomes pathfinder. That's not something someone who now hates the species would do.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 14, 2019 12:02:50 GMT
Ah. I don't see that happening. Perhaps as a "who done it" that was privy to the inner workings of the initiative and managed to stumble upon whoever it was that sabotaged the arks, but that would suck because, you know what? Nothing you do matters, because we would already know that we'd have failed in the end and we'd have to be killed off, because nobody knows how any of that happened. Well First off No Player Character is immortal that is a given. Even My Cerberus Phantom Commander would live a very long time but even then he will not live forever. One of the main hooks that he would have is that 1) he is not Shepard and 2) he is not either of the Ryder twins. I can see it doing well as a low budget puzzle/adventure game, that plays closer to a mystery novel with some interactive elements, bordering on indie territory, but I doubt it will satisfy anyone, in that scope. I mean, it definitely will satisfy some people, I just don't know if it's what Bioware is looking for. Not to mention that "your choices matter" is what sets Bioware apart, in principle at least. So a game where you choices literally don't matter, even contained in the same game you play, isn't a big selling point. I mean, in the end, your character, as well as everyone accompanying you, would have to die and be wiped from Initiative record, which means utter failure on our part. I can see its importance from a narrative point and how refreshing it would be to play someone that isn't "1337 5p4c3 0p3r471v3" that actually gets outplayed in the end. I don't see EA funding such a game. The RoI isn't there and you can't MTX a game with further cosmetics when you're playing a dead man. I like the idea behind it, though I really don't care about the shitshow that is the Initiative and coming off of a certain recent movie, the idea of the bad guys winning, isn't that disheartening or off putting. Furthermore, can you trust nu-Bioware to handle this in a compelling way? I don't. I think you and I would do a better job at it, as a whole, narratively, than Bioware's professional team.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 14, 2019 13:38:46 GMT
Nothing to do with Cerberus please. We’ve already had enough of that. Bring Cerberus back. In MEA2, they can be the saviors for the Initiative when dealing with the Kett. Cora will become TID or TIW. Undercover Cerberus(?) forces slowly and subtly, through Ryder's successful heroics emboldening 'umanity's status within the Nexus, infiltrate key leadership positions, eventually establishing a military Junta, that Ryder gets an active role, unknowingly, at promoting its interests, by executing several successful military strikes against the Kett. As Nexus/Angara relations warm up, Cerberus fanatizes and militarizes them, effectively indoctrinating them into a sock puppet army. After realizing what is going on in the Nexus, Ryder is appalled with the new militarized status quo and with the help of select figures and his squad, form a resistance, trying to slowly chip away at the hold the high ranking humans have in the Nexus' leadership.
In an unprecedented twist, Cora Harper turns on Ryder (shocking I know), portraying him as a manipulator and usurper, simultaneously revealing that the humans are indeed undercover Cerberus agents (egads). Caught unaware, especially a Cora romanced Ryder, gets easily captured, offering little to no resistance, as Ryder was opting to present evidence in a peaceful manner. This move solidifies 'umanity's hold on the Nexus and Ryder gets sentence to death for treason. Squadmates that weren't at the hearing Ryder had planned, along with other allies, break Ryder out. Meanwhile, the war against the Kett rages on and the aliens have found themselves in an unwinnable situation. Ryder, now exiled from the Nexus, has to seek new allies to overthrow the Cerberus regime. With their backs against the wall, Ryder approaches the Kett for an uneasy alliance, at which point, Jaal, who is seeing the "great things" the new Nexus leadership has done for his people and how Ryder's actions take him away from him has a test of faith, at which point, he either stays with Ryder, leaves to join the rest of the Angara at the Nexus, or gets killed in the effort. The game ends with the remaining crew reaching an agreement with the Kett, with unfavourable future conditions, in order to ensure the survival of the Kett, alongside the liberation of the Nexus.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 14, 2019 15:05:23 GMT
Bring Cerberus back. In MEA2, they can be the saviors for the Initiative when dealing with the Kett. Cora will become TID or TIW. Undercover Cerberus(?) forces slowly and subtly, through Ryder's successful heroics emboldening 'umanity's status within the Nexus, infiltrate key leadership positions, eventually establishing a military Junta, that Ryder gets an active role, unknowingly, at promoting its interests, by executing several successful military strikes against the Kett. As Nexus/Angara relations warm up, Cerberus fanatizes and militarizes them, effectively indoctrinating them into a sock puppet army. After realizing what is going on in the Nexus, Ryder is appalled with the new militarized status quo and with the help of select figures and his squad, form a resistance, trying to slowly chip away at the hold the high ranking humans have in the Nexus' leadership.
In an unprecedented twist, Cora Harper turns on Ryder (shocking I know), portraying him as a manipulator and usurper, simultaneously revealing that the humans are indeed undercover Cerberus agents (egads). Caught unaware, especially a Cora romanced Ryder, gets easily captured, offering little to no resistance, as Ryder was opting to present evidence in a peaceful manner. This move solidifies 'umanity's hold on the Nexus and Ryder gets sentence to death for treason. Squadmates that weren't at the hearing Ryder had planned, along with other allies, break Ryder out. Meanwhile, the war against the Kett rages on and the aliens have found themselves in an unwinnable situation. Ryder, now exiled from the Nexus, has to seek new allies to overthrow the Cerberus regime. With their backs against the wall, Ryder approaches the Kett for an uneasy alliance, at which point, Jaal, who is seeing the "great things" the new Nexus leadership has done for his people and how Ryder's actions take him away from him has a test of faith, at which point, he either stays with Ryder, leaves to join the rest of the Angara at the Nexus, or gets killed in the effort. The game ends with the remaining crew reaching an agreement with the Kett, with unfavourable future conditions, in order to ensure the survival of the Kett, alongside the liberation of the Nexus.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 14, 2019 15:08:59 GMT
Hanako Ikezawa the image is not showing up for me. I think my work's firewall is blocking it. Is it the anime girl backing away and going nope again?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 14, 2019 15:12:18 GMT
Hanako Ikezawa the image is not showing up for me. I think my work's firewall is blocking it. Is it the anime girl backing away and going nope again? Yes.
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