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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 20, 2019 2:52:31 GMT
They'd go nuts right up until it turns out that what's coming back isn't their Shepard, but one whose life has been ettconed up the wazoo to make another game possible. Not really...the extended version showcased Shep breathing as if to indicate he survived the chaotic destruction. And anybody with common sense knows that Bioware wasn't going to please everybody with the endings. You got the ending depending on how you played and what you did in the game. And with solid writing you can create a compelling story to bring Shep back without it being cheesey or space magic. Players should not go in with the thought of the next Mass Effect thinking "hey my Shep didn't do this...or hey my Shep shouldn't be looking like this etc,,,"be proud of the ending you got, enjoy the experience of the trilogy and move on. Years ago when i played Silent Hill 2, you would get over 5 outcomes i believe depending on what you did with with James character...you could end up committing suicide...leaving the town, or trying to perform a ritual to bring his dead wife back.....at the time folks in the SH community discussed what endings they got depending on what they did....fans here should act accordingly. To be fair for the most part Bioware stated that your decisions would effect the games going forward and to a degree it did....decisions you made in ME2 transitioned over to 3 in terms of characters and the relationship you had with them or whether or not they died in 2....don't want to get off topic...just saying that Shep would generate a lot more buzz than Andromeda 2 starring the Ryder twins....folks also don't understand the insane amount of coding/testing it takes to properly insure your game saves transition seamlessly to react accordingly to what you did in previous games.... Yes ultimately it means Bioware has to pick a canon ending and run with it (destruction ending), but if it means bringing Shep and the crew back in a believable fashion, i think fans will forgive them if the story is solid. I'm 100% sure that will not just do canon destruction ending, whatever they do. It goes against everything, sorry. It threatens a bigger marketing disaster than ME3 ending, Anthem itself, MEA's problems. You may think I'm overstating, maybe I am, but I don't think I am. However, I think its plausible enough that they *essentially* create a *conceptually post-Destroy world*, albeit with fancy ways to recognize other decisions or even lean their way. I don't think its as impossible to make a post-ME3 (whatever the timeframe: right after, a year, decades, centuries) game as it seems to a lot of people. We have MEA making a world which, like it or not, in my opinion points to a Heleus Cluster that is going to gradually create a society that will be more like a version of Synthesis than Destruction. I don't think Bioware is going to let their core ideas slide, even if they let them sit for a while. We have a record of this even, as some big DA2 DLC ideas were merged into DAI, especially the earlier part, and the whole process of the MET was 'oh we can't fit that, maybe we can put it in the next game in some way' without planning exactly what that'd be. However, I do think its probably an appealing cleaner slate to show somehow a Milky Way that is more underdeveloped from the effects of a destructive wave (whatever the cause) that either decimated or destroyed all the Reapers, than it would be to make a more highly developed and complex to write for setting. Then Bioware can do whatever they like otherwise, whatever elements of supposedly inevitable aspects of Control and Synthesis. They can make the ME3 ending a mystery to leave there (I don't approve but whatever), a mystery to solve, a canon to clarify, or state it simply (I also don't approve of that one). But I dunno. I think all that's been made entirely clear is that a direct sequel with MEA basis taking place right after it with Ryder protagonist is - while definitely desired from some for good reason - probably not what the money interests at EA would sign on for. But does that mean rolling all the way back and then taking another road forward with say, Shepard? I doubt that too, but now I think the risk is more creatively than monetary.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 20, 2019 4:27:00 GMT
Remember when Anthem was supposed to be the bounce back game from Andromeda cause it was made by Bioware's A team?
Remember?
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 20, 2019 7:09:54 GMT
Remember when Anthem was supposed to be the bounce back game from Andromeda cause it was made by Bioware's A team? Remember? I'm sure DA4 will be the bounce back game for Anthem...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2019 7:11:29 GMT
Remember when Anthem was supposed to be the bounce back game from Andromeda cause it was made by Bioware's A team? Remember? I'm sure DA4 will be the bounce back game for Anthem... I'm sure Sonic Chronicles 2: The Darker Brotherhood will be the bounce back game for DA4.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 20, 2019 7:56:23 GMT
Remember when Anthem was supposed to be the bounce back game from Andromeda cause it was made by Bioware's A team? Remember? I'm sure DA4 will be the bounce back game for Anthem...
Ha! I wish it were so.
Truth is, continuous online monetization is the driving game design. Add GaaS as its core content delivery policy (read EA) plus MP and player grind and DA4 won't look like any prior DA game.
Anthem is the current Father of Load Times because of bad design and higher resolution textures. Since graphics is FB's baby, expect stunning visuals along with coffee drinking while one waits for the next screen to load. DA4 can't change this because of the target graphic support. By the time DA4 will launch, the new console hdw will be out. Maybe the new hdw will mitigate the slow load times but heaven help the PS4s of the world.
DA4 better launch bug free and not polished. I give you Bio's definition of polished = Anthem.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2019 8:08:28 GMT
Anthem is the current Father of Load Times because of bad design and higher resolution textures. Since graphics is FB's baby, expect stunning visuals along with coffee drinking while one waits for the next screen to load. DA4 can't change this because of the target graphic support. By the time DA4 will launch, the new console hdw will be out. Maybe the new hdw will mitigate the slow load times but heaven help the PS4s of the world. I don't know if that will help. Even on an SSD, the load times are still pretty long. There is a chance that a PCI-E 4.0 controller will help, but that is only the case with a PCI-E 4.0 nvme drive, but the RAM will probably still be DDR4. Unless next gen consoles adopt HBM or DDR5 as system memory, before PCs are expected to, which I doubt. Don't get me wrong, a console with specs like those would be fantastic, but I don't know how viable these are from a financial standpoint.
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Post by xrayspex73 on Sept 20, 2019 10:19:57 GMT
Anthem is the current Father of Load Times because of bad design and higher resolution textures. Since graphics is FB's baby, expect stunning visuals along with coffee drinking while one waits for the next screen to load. DA4 can't change this because of the target graphic support. By the time DA4 will launch, the new console hdw will be out. Maybe the new hdw will mitigate the slow load times but heaven help the PS4s of the world. I don't know if that will help. Even on an SSD, the load times are still pretty long. There is a chance that a PCI-E 4.0 controller will help, but that is only the case with a PCI-E 4.0 nvme drive, but the RAM will probably still be DDR4. Unless next gen consoles adopt HBM or DDR5 as system memory, before PCs are expected to, which I doubt. Don't get me wrong, a console with specs like those would be fantastic, but I don't know how viable these are from a financial standpoint. Frostbite is a garbage engine. Every single game on Frostbite has excessively long load times. You are right about the consoles load times. I remember trying to play Battlefront with some friends one the Xbox One and the load times were longer than the games were. I'm talking multi-minute load times for each map and long load time to even quit out to menu. It was unplayable. PC is better, but it's still worse load times than any other game engine that I have ever seen.
I have built so many shaders during my time with MEA that I am a god damn expert craftsman of shaders. Thanks Frostbite!
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 20, 2019 12:31:28 GMT
I'm sure DA4 will be the bounce back game for Anthem... I'm sure Sonic Chronicles 2: The Darker Brotherhood will be the bounce back game for DA4. All jokes aside, a true KOTOR 3 that is purely SP with non of that MP/Live Service BS would be the perfect rebound game for Bioware. Sad thing is that it will never happen.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 20, 2019 12:54:03 GMT
I'm sure Sonic Chronicles 2: The Darker Brotherhood will be the bounce back game for DA4. All jokes aside, a true KOTOR 3 that is purely SP with non of that MP/Live Service BS would be the perfect rebound game for Bioware. Sad thing is that it will never happen. BEAware will for the rest of it's remaining lifecycle no longer make single player games. THAT I believe 100%. I'm really curious in what way they're goign to fuck up DA4, though.
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Post by saandrig on Sept 20, 2019 13:39:33 GMT
All jokes aside, a true KOTOR 3 that is purely SP with non of that MP/Live Service BS would be the perfect rebound game for Bioware. Sad thing is that it will never happen. BEAware will for the rest of it's remaining lifecycle no longer make single player games. THAT I believe 100%. I'm really curious in what way they're goign to fuck up DA4, though. They already canceled it's first purely SP focused development cycle in order to make it more "Anthem with dragons GaaS" if you trust the leaks. Can't imagine how they can fuck it up more than that. And no, don't give examples...
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 20, 2019 13:58:04 GMT
BEAware will for the rest of it's remaining lifecycle no longer make single player games. THAT I believe 100%. I'm really curious in what way they're goign to fuck up DA4, though. They already canceled it's first purely SP focused development cycle in order to make it more "Anthem with dragons GaaS" if you trust the leaks. Can't imagine how they can fuck it up more than that. And no, don't give examples... To be fair (and if I rememeber correctly), all we really know is that they had some sort of reboot. We don't know if the first time around was purely SP focused. All we know for sure is that it now will contain some sort of live service. Well, for DA4, maybe they can work with some sort of Act structure? Where they release the game with the story in Act 1, and once they get enough money, they provide us with Act 2, 3, 4, ...? Oh... wait. (Sorry couldn't help myself )
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 20, 2019 14:37:08 GMT
BEAware will for the rest of it's remaining lifecycle no longer make single player games. THAT I believe 100%. I'm really curious in what way they're goign to fuck up DA4, though. They already canceled it's first purely SP focused development cycle in order to make it more "Anthem with dragons GaaS" if you trust the leaks. Can't imagine how they can fuck it up more than that. And no, don't give examples... If you trust the leaks, all they said was that there was a reboot in development around the same time Anthem was in serious trouble and was basically requiring all possible devs to deliver to any salvageable state. We don’t actually know what was or wasn’t discarded except that there was a desire to incorporate more live elements into the new design, which I guess will end up looking more like Assassin’s Creed Odyssey than Anthem in that respect. That “Anthem with dragons Gaas” stuff is pure speculation from the outrage circus.
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Post by saandrig on Sept 20, 2019 15:26:14 GMT
We don’t actually know what was or wasn’t discarded except that there was a desire to incorporate more live elements into the new design, which I guess will end up looking more like Assassin’s Creed Odyssey than Anthem in that respect. Bioware copying the correct game design for once? That'll be the day With our luck, they may copy only the tons of the same "?" activities instead. But maybe "Assassins Creed" or "Witcher" will be the forbidden words this time.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 20, 2019 17:20:37 GMT
I'm sure Sonic Chronicles 2: The Darker Brotherhood will be the bounce back game for DA4. All jokes aside, a true KOTOR 3 that is purely SP with non of that MP/Live Service BS would be the perfect rebound game for Bioware. Sad thing is that it will never happen. EA still holds the license to make SW games...
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2019 17:23:17 GMT
All jokes aside, a true KOTOR 3 that is purely SP with non of that MP/Live Service BS would be the perfect rebound game for Bioware. Sad thing is that it will never happen. EA still holds the license to make SW games... Yeah but they infest all their games with MP /Live service BS.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 20, 2019 17:26:44 GMT
EA still holds the license to make SW games... Yeah but they infest all their games with MP /Live service BS. I guess they paid too much for it to amortise with decent games, then.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 20, 2019 18:07:57 GMT
We don’t actually know what was or wasn’t discarded except that there was a desire to incorporate more live elements into the new design, which I guess will end up looking more like Assassin’s Creed Odyssey than Anthem in that respect. Bioware copying the correct game design for once? That'll be the day With our luck, they may copy only the tons of the same "?" activities instead. But maybe "Assassins Creed" or "Witcher" will be the forbidden words this time. Oooh. Oooooooh. Maybe da4 gameplay will be based on anthem, and the new PC will be a flying human-dragon loli hybrid!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 20, 2019 19:00:36 GMT
I don't want the Frankenstein's monster that is current Bioware to touch Shepard or any of the characters I still love so much!
While this would get people excited, no doubt, I'd bet all my savings that this game would SUCK just the same.
Bioware is dead. EA made sure of it. DA4 will be a total GaaS disaster too.
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Post by saandrig on Sept 20, 2019 20:23:02 GMT
Bioware copying the correct game design for once? That'll be the day With our luck, they may copy only the tons of the same "?" activities instead. But maybe "Assassins Creed" or "Witcher" will be the forbidden words this time. Oooh. Oooooooh. Maybe da4 gameplay will be based on anthem, and the new PC will be a flying human-dragon loli hybrid! You had to start giving them ideas? But I wouldn't say no to the jetpack equipped dragon protagonist from Divinity Dragon Commander. That game even had story and choices that influenced the world.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2019 20:31:04 GMT
Oooh. Oooooooh. Maybe da4 gameplay will be based on anthem, and the new PC will be a flying human-dragon loli hybrid! You had to start giving them ideas? But I wouldn't say no to the jetpack equipped dragon protagonist from Divinity Dragon Commander. That game even had story and choices that influenced the world. Sadly the political maneuvering and policy choices were may more engaging than the combat...
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Post by saandrig on Sept 20, 2019 20:45:50 GMT
You had to start giving them ideas? But I wouldn't say no to the jetpack equipped dragon protagonist from Divinity Dragon Commander. That game even had story and choices that influenced the world. Sadly the political maneuvering and policy choices were may more engaging than the combat... And the marriages, don't forget the marriages! Pass laws for legal drugs, legal same sex marriage, equal rights for women - undead nation flips their skulls, but you married their princess (giving her a sexy golem body, which I guess made her literally a doll. Body possession seemed cruel) and all is still good.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2019 20:58:15 GMT
Sadly the political maneuvering and policy choices were may more engaging than the combat... And the marriages, don't forget the marriages! Pass laws for legal drugs, legal same sex marriage, equal rights for women - undead nation flips their skulls, but you married their princess (giving her a sexy golem body, which I guess made her literally a doll. Body possession seemed cruel) and all is still good. I gave her a Frankenstein-like body of human parts. Still pretty cute if you can see past the scar tissue...
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 20, 2019 21:20:08 GMT
I don't want the Frankenstein's monster that is current Bioware to touch Shepard or any of the characters I still love so much! While this would get people excited, no doubt, I'd bet all my savings that this game would SUCK just the same. Bioware is dead. EA made sure of it. DA4 will be a total GaaS disaster too. I'm not sure why EA's to blame. The economic factors driving AAA titles to GaaS would still be there for an independent Bio. And anyone who was here for NWN knows that Bio was pro-MP years before EA came along, very much to the detriment of that game's SP mode. And a company which was maybe second or third into the paid DLC space isn't exactly likely to take a strong, principled stand against microtransactions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 22:54:38 GMT
I don't want the Frankenstein's monster that is current Bioware to touch Shepard or any of the characters I still love so much! While this would get people excited, no doubt, I'd bet all my savings that this game would SUCK just the same. Bioware is dead. EA made sure of it. DA4 will be a total GaaS disaster too. I'm not sure why EA's to blame. The economic factors driving AAA titles to GaaS would still be there for an independent Bio. And anyone who was here for NWN knows that Bio was pro-MP years before EA came along, very much to the detriment of that game's SP mode. And a company which was maybe second or third into the paid DLC space isn't exactly likely to take a strong, principled stand against microtransactions. Possibly an independent BioWare would have accepted moving to AA gaming and not felt the need to chase the AAA level of micro transactions. I never played NWN but from my experience as a BioWare fan (have played BG1 through DAI excepting NWN) I thought NWN was seen as a deviation from Bio’s strengths as a game developer. It may have been a decent implementation of DND rule set but the campaign was derided and the story and characters were some of the weakest in BioWare history. DLCs improved that, but using NWN as an example of BioWare’s attitude toward online gaming seems disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2019 23:32:03 GMT
I'm not sure why EA's to blame. The economic factors driving AAA titles to GaaS would still be there for an independent Bio. And anyone who was here for NWN knows that Bio was pro-MP years before EA came along, very much to the detriment of that game's SP mode. And a company which was maybe second or third into the paid DLC space isn't exactly likely to take a strong, principled stand against microtransactions. Possibly an independent BioWare would have accepted moving to AA gaming and not felt the need to chase the AAA level of micro transactions. I never played NWN but from my experience as a BioWare fan (have played BG1 through DAI excepting NWN) I thought NWN was seen as a deviation from Bio’s strengths as a game developer. It may have been a decent implementation of DND rule set but the campaign was derided and the story and characters were some of the weakest in BioWare history. DLCs improved that, but using NWN as an example of BioWare’s attitude toward online gaming seems disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst. The base game was weak. he expansions were much better in that sense. But NWN's original focus was not, I think, Bioware's storytelling, but in the tools it provided for players to create their own "game modules", our own stories. The original story was almost like a demo of what could be made.
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