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Post by Nightscrawl on Sept 29, 2019 16:49:36 GMT
Well...it's not Fenris and Shale sassy adventures. But as long as Fenris still is somewhat deliciously deadpan at times, I'm probably going to enjoy this. Although Marius and Fenris potentially in the same room...I imagine lots of glares, lots of monosyllabic talk and brooding. And corpses. Did I mention brooding?
So much brooding. That group needs Purple Hawke, and I don't even play Purple Hawke.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 30, 2019 13:23:35 GMT
Therefore i would love more Qunari characters who aren´t villains. The qunari are an invading force. Regardless one's opinion of Tevinter, the qunari are the villians here. Its really hard to say that Qunari are bad guys / villains when we don´t know why they had attack Tevinter. Nether Tevinter or the Qunari are your typicial black and white factions so more likeable Qunari character would be a welcome addition to the comic series.
Also i believe that the choice between the Qunari or Tevinter will one of the main DA 4 decisions.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Sept 30, 2019 14:27:08 GMT
Its really hard to say that Qunari are bad guys / villains when we don´t know why they had attack Tevinter. No, it's not "really hard to say." It's not just Tevinter; the Qunari ethos is to spread the Qun to all Thedas. They've invaded the South for that very reason in the past. In DAO, Sten says that it is inevitable. In DA2, you can see that same mindset with the Arishok, though that isn't his particular mission on this occasion. In DAI, there is one party banter where Iron Bull describes what would happen to certain party members, given their personalities, should the Qunari invade and win; it's not pretty. While there might be some legitimate defensive reason, a huge part of it is also their drive to spread the Qun. Mel's description of the Qunari as "an invading force" is spot on because that is what they do.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 30, 2019 16:20:58 GMT
It was also strongly hinted previously that the Qun only signed the peace accord with the south for strategic reasons and would happily break it when it suited them to. Which is what they were up to in Trespasser but when it went wrong they disowned the Viddasala. However, it would be nonsense to think that she would have undertaken such a plan if she did not have the backing of the Triumverate (to take over the south, even with their leaders destroyed, would need troops on the ground in sufficient numbers to manage a quick coup before the enemies could regroup). This is why when the southern conquest was a non-starter they fairly quickly re-directed their forces back against Tevinter.
Also, so far as Tevinter are concerned they have never not been at war. The Qun held off for a time whilst information gathering and no doubt getting their agents in place to undertake a covert war simultaneously with the military assault on the mainland but it was going to happen eventually.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 30, 2019 17:18:23 GMT
The Qunari are a threat to Thedas just as much as the Darkspawn or Demons in my opinion. They have made it abundantly clear that they will not and cannot cooperate with the rest of Thedas. They oppose any form of society that isn't their own, they are obligated to by their own code to destroy or convert everyone else. War is and always has been inevitable. So we must destroy them before they destroy us.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 30, 2019 17:22:12 GMT
I just hope it isn't handled like how they've done the Mage/Templar conflict, where it's "You have to choose one and completely wipe out the other". I'd much prefer if other options were available, maybe only becoming such due to certain choices you make throughout the game and maybe even entire series.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 30, 2019 19:28:53 GMT
I'd love to write Merrill someday. She's another favorite for me. So you've played the games?
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Post by Iddy on Sept 30, 2019 19:30:55 GMT
It was also strongly hinted previously that the Qun only signed the peace accord with the south for strategic reasons and would happily break it when it suited them to. Which is what they were up to in Trespasser but when it went wrong they disowned the Viddasala. However, it would be nonsense to think that she would have undertaken such a plan if she did not have the backing of the Triumverate (to take over the south, even with their leaders destroyed, would need troops on the ground in sufficient numbers to manage a quick coup before the enemies could regroup). This is why when the southern conquest was a non-starter they fairly quickly re-directed their forces back against Tevinter. Also, so far as Tevinter are concerned they have never not been at war. The Qun held off for a time whilst information gathering and no doubt getting their agents in place to undertake a covert war simultaneously with the military assault on the mainland but it was going to happen eventually. I think the fact that Qun loyal Bull obeys the Viddasala proves that she was authorized by the Triumvirate. That's what bas who are slaves to their own selfishness would say.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 30, 2019 20:04:54 GMT
No you are right, as a mage I totally wouldn't say that. Oh wait I wouldn't be able to because someone decided to sew my mouth shut.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Oct 1, 2019 6:03:14 GMT
I'd love to write Merrill someday. She's another favorite for me. So you've played the games? Yes. Many times for each game - Christina and I play them together so our playthrough totals are for both of us. For DA:O, I started a Warden of all backgrounds, and finished up Mage, Dalish, City Elf, Human Noble, and Dwarven Noble. Just need to finish the Dwarven Commoner to complete the full set. Did all the DLC except Darkspawn Chronicles. Did Awakening with my Mage, my Dalish, my City Elf and my Human Noble. Between all the playthroughs, I romanced Leliana, Zevran, Morrigan, and Alistair. Played DA II a LOT of times, and covered all variations: male and female, all three classes. Romanced Anders, Merrill, Isabela, and Fenris. Lots of times with Fenris and Merrill. Played DAI a few times, have a couple of playthroughs still to finish. Finished as a Human female mage, a Human male warrior, and an elven rogue, and am currently working on a playthrough as a qunari mage. Of the three games, DAII is my favorite on a character level, DAI is my favorite on game mechanics level. I still love Origins, but it's harder to revisit due to the lack of voice acting for the Warden. So, the short version of my answer is... I love all things Dragon Age. When Christina and I got this job, it was real bucket list material for us. And getting to write Varric and Fenris has been amazing.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 1, 2019 7:12:38 GMT
I still love Origins, but it's harder to revisit due to the lack of voice acting for the Warden. Same. I know this isn't for everyone, but the voice helps me to get into the roleplay even more, to feel the character as his own person, separate from myself. It's also a bit jarring when everyone around you is talking but you just stand there mute. Except for, you know -- "Can I get you a ladder so you can get off my back?!" It wasn't so bad in a game like Neverwinter Nights where only some of the major NPC dialogue was voiced. My PC didn't seem too out of place in that case, but does in DAO.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Oct 1, 2019 14:11:06 GMT
It's also a bit jarring when everyone around you is talking but you just stand there mute. Except for, you know -- "Can I get you a ladder so you can get off my back?!" It wasn't so bad in a game like Neverwinter Nights where only some of the major NPC dialogue was voiced. My PC didn't seem too out of place in that case, but does in DAO. Yeah, this is me as well - I'm fine with voiceless protagonists in games that aren't fully voiced. The Baldur's Gate approach was fine for that series. I even tend to feel that full voicing for more recent isometric games like Divinity: Original Sin 2 and Pillars of Eternity is a waste of time and money. If the dialogue is also in text boxes I can read much faster than the voice actor can talk and just end up skipping ahead or getting annoyed waiting for them to finish.
If everyone else is talking, though, I want my character to speak out loud too! The Inquisitor is my favourite DA protagonist so far largely because they have race selection and they're voiced. They could never have done something like the 'can't one thing in this world stay fixed???' scene in Trespasser with a silent protagonist.
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Post by dielveio on Oct 1, 2019 14:49:28 GMT
I really hope I don't need to read it to understand the game because these don't sell where I live. xD
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 1, 2019 15:37:20 GMT
I really hope I don't need to read it to understand the game because these don't sell where I live. xD I think Darkhorse comics has an online portal. But yeah you prollly won’t need supplementary materials to understand the game. We generally haven't before.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 1, 2019 15:51:34 GMT
I really hope I don't need to read it to understand the game because these don't sell where I live. xD I think Darkhorse comics has an online portal. But yeah you prollly won’t need supplementary materials to understand the game. We generally haven't before. Yeah. At most hopefully some of these characters show up in the game, maybe even as companions, but they can sum up the events of the comics pretty well in the meet and greet dialogues with the comics just giving more details.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 1, 2019 16:31:37 GMT
Kind of avoided the comics up to now. Very attached to my hawke/Issy romance so wasn't in some default non romances canon story nor the bad game handling.
Might try this series as I think fenris is interesting but have no attachment with hawke. What is the default canon hawke story of the comics?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 1, 2019 16:38:34 GMT
Kind of avoided the comics up to now. Very attached to my hawke/Issy romance so wasn't in some default non romances canon story nor the bad game handling. Might try this series as I think fenris is interesting but have no attachment with hawke. What is the default canon hawke story of the comics? likely the Bioware canon/default? aka. Hawke dies in the Fade during Inquisition
Not sure though, but most of the books and comics seem to somewhat follow Bioware canon/default (Alistair being King of Ferelden for example)
but generally they leave the fate, gender and race of protagonists up in the air as well as romance or lack thereof, seeing as in Bioware canon/default none of the protagonists have a romance option
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 1, 2019 19:00:27 GMT
Hawke might be an exception to the "if they can die, they are dead" rule Bioware tends to take with its canon for supplementary stuff, though. nunziodefilippis, is Hawke alive in the canon of the comics? Or is it not even touched upon one way or the other? Totally understand if you can't tell us, of course.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 1, 2019 19:02:17 GMT
Hawke might be an exception to the "if they can die, they are dead" rule Bioware tends to take with its canon for supplementary stuff, though. nunziodefilippis, is Hawke alive in the canon of the comics? Or is it not even touched upon one way or the other? Totally understand if you can't tell us, of course. I know they said whether they romances Fenris or not wouldn’t be mentioned in the comic, so I imagine Hawke’s fate won’t either.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 1, 2019 19:16:25 GMT
The qunari are an invading force. Regardless one's opinion of Tevinter, the qunari are the villians here. Its really hard to say that Qunari are bad guys / villains when we don´t know why they had attack Tevinter. Nether Tevinter or the Qunari are your typicial black and white factions so more likeable Qunari character would be a welcome addition to the comic series.
Also i believe that the choice between the Qunari or Tevinter will one of the main DA 4 decisions.
You need a reason to kill vints?
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Post by Blaze on Oct 3, 2019 6:49:48 GMT
oooooooh, new haircut! =D i suspected fenris might appear in dragon age 4, either freeing slaves or as one himself (if you gave him back to danarius). now, that's not confirming he would, but that raises the odds. now let's hope the members of the previous comics will return for this one =D Vaea and Fenris (and Francesca) are at the heart of the story in Blue Wraith, and Marius will be in a different part of the story. oh good, my hopes were visualized.
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Post by MarmiteToast on Oct 5, 2019 6:46:01 GMT
I thought the comic series' are usually non-canon, so assume the same is true here?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 5, 2019 10:22:18 GMT
I thought the comic series' are usually non-canon, so assume the same is true here? some elements are considered canon, for example Alistair having met his father (Maric) in the Fade (Those Who Speak), regardless of whether he's still a Warden or became King
it's considered most of the events happened regardless of player intervention or not, but it's not required to have prior knowledge of them since most is explained by the key characters during the game example being Loghain explaining certain parts of his role during the war against Orlais (The Stolen Throne), or Cole mentioning Rhys and Evangeline having been his friends (Asunder)
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 5, 2019 15:39:12 GMT
some elements are considered canon, for example Alistair having met his father (Maric) in the Fade (Those Who Speak), regardless of whether he's still a Warden or became King Alistair can die though in DAO, either executed or through sacrificing himself, so it would seem odd for this episode to be canon, particularly when it is a stand alone story and the fact that he meets his father there has absolutely no bearing on the plotlines going forward. Surely what is canon is that Maric went missing at sea in 9:25 and was never seen in Ferelden again (which would be the case with or without the comic series).
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 5, 2019 15:54:09 GMT
some elements are considered canon, for example Alistair having met his father (Maric) in the Fade (Those Who Speak), regardless of whether he's still a Warden or became King Alistair can die though in DAO, either executed or through sacrificing himself, so it would seem odd for this episode to be canon, particularly when it is a stand alone story and the fact that he meets his father there has absolutely no bearing on the plotlines going forward. Surely what is canon is that Maric went missing at sea in 9:25 and was never seen in Ferelden again (which would be the case with or without the comic series). *sigh*...knew I should've added "according to the Bioware default/canon"
in the Bioware default/canon, Alistair is King of Ferelden (with or without Anora), and did meet his father during the events of Those Who Speak
but you're right, Maric was reported missing in 9.25, with Loghain searching for him for the next two years before reluctantly declaring him dead and the Landsmeet appointing Cailan as the new King
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