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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 18, 2019 17:22:55 GMT
*Paladin finds wounded man dying on the street *Use Lay On Filthy Paladin Hands on him -Hey, thanks! I thought I was going to die for goo- *Goes into anaphylactic shock *Dies *Paladin backs away *Walks off whistling indifferently That's not how anaphylactic shock works, or how infection works. Lucky for them. Imagine trying to heal a bleeding woman with Lay on Hands and getting #MeToo'd? -This incel touched me! I feel so violated ... -Ma'am, you were bleeding. -It was my period, you misogynist! Now I'm thinking I'm going to #MeToo the next dude that plays Paladin in my campaigns. Congratulations. You managed to take what was a reasonable idea about magical healers not having to be concerned with germs and infection into a misogynistic joke. Both of those "jokes" suck.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 18, 2019 17:26:59 GMT
That's not how anaphylactic shock works, or how infection works. It's an exaggeration. Congratulations. You managed to take what was a reasonable idea about magical healers not having to be concerned with germs and infection into a misogynistic joke. Both of those "jokes" suck. It's also an exaggeration. Not a fan, I see. Did I offend you?
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Post by xerrai on Oct 18, 2019 18:10:35 GMT
For some reason, I read it as "do mages really need to wash their hands in order to cast spells". Discuss. Ok I'm going to take several lore liberties and really stretch for meaning but I feel really compelled to add into that comical misread. So here's my fanon that uses conspiracy theory grade conjecture: Seeing as Thedas as a general whole (perhaps minus the Qunari) presumably do not have concept of germs, I imagine the main reason anyone would wash for thier hands beyond a simple 'freshening up' would be for some sort of religious ritual/habit. After all, the imagery and belief of water being used as a "cleansing agent" isn't unheard of in certain religions. And while dragon age lore is really vague on the art, they do have a concept about "scrying" (the only fully shown process of which being the Lights of Arlathan). There's a few books in the Circle showing that scrying is a thing (i.e without the super special Arlathan lights) but my hypothesis is that they use translucent/clear material to serve as a "window" for fade forces in order to seek out an object or concept. I say that because the more conventional instruments of scrying from irl information include things like gemstones, crystal balls, glass and yes--water. All of which would presumably be more available than magical scrying lights. So water can easily be connected to both a religious concept of purity and a means of increasing magical clarity. So if, theoretically, there was indeed a magical tradition requiring mages wash thier hands before casting a spell, it may be because they view hand washing as a respectful (and thus probably safer) prerequisite of inviting fade forces to come into the real world. For instance, a mage who belongs to X tribe may believe that spellcasting--and thus magic--are in fact miracles granted by the gods. Or power granted the great pseudo-being that is the Fade. But in order to show respect to this being/concept and thus encourage safe spellcasting, the mage must wash thier hands in order to ensure that the god/force is more inclined to act in a safe manner.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 18, 2019 18:34:33 GMT
Congratulations. You managed to take what was a reasonable idea about magical healers not having to be concerned with germs and infection into a misogynistic joke. Both of those "jokes" suck. The best kind of joke, if you ask me.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 18, 2019 18:58:42 GMT
A couple of points with regard to the cleanliness thing. Dorian is really fastidious about cleanliness and mentions how Blackwall could get acquainted with soap. Tevinter is based on Ancient Rome where they also had very elaborate public and private bathes. It would seem that the Ancient Romans valued cleanliness and may even have been aware of the connection between dirt and disease. However, if nothing else bathing was seen as an important ritual among the upper classes. Since Tevinter Altus would appear to follow the same customs and they are also mages, it is possible that at least in Tevinter society there is a connection drawn between cleanliness and performing effective magic. All part of the perfect body/perfect mind that Dorian talks about. So at least in Tevinter a mage performing magic in a general setting (as opposed to a war situation) whilst filthy dirty would likely be regarded as uncouth at the very least and a sign that they were obviously from the Laetans class. The idea that it might offend the gods in ancient Tevinter might also have required a degree of ritual cleansing, at least before performing magic in a religious setting.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Oct 27, 2019 5:14:35 GMT
Well mages don't need a staff to cast spells. But they do need it to do their auto attacks that use no mana, whether this is because the staves are enchanted (so the mage isn't casting at all) but you need to be a mage to activate/control/target the enchantment or because the stave allows them to focus their magic enough that they can release minor bursts of energy with no mana cost, instead of spells, is in question.
As for casting without hands. I think gestures and implements are probably used for control/focus of magic rather than required ingredients. A talented/skilled mage could probably learn to cast without them to focus and direct but would still find it easier and faster to just use hands/implements, a not so talented mage might not be able to reliably cast without them, instead getting uncontrolled effects or no effect at all.
Restraining their hands probably wouldn't stop an uncontrolled burst of magic and a mage could probably learn to focus their spells by gesturing and pointing with bounds hands, but it might take a mage who relies on always casting the same way a while to relearn casting differently, and a skilled mage who can cast lots of different ways probably wouldn't find it much impediment.
The thug just sais he's heard they can't cast without hands, so the mage involved in whatever incident he heard about might not have been skilled enough to cast without hand gestures/implements, or the people he heard it from cut off the hands? The massive pain and blood loss would probably stop most mages from focusing their magic for awhile so its probabley an effective strategy. That or he's just heard a rumour may not be based on any facts at all.
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Post by Blaze on Nov 4, 2019 6:48:36 GMT
a. mages can do magic without hands. this dude clearly knows nothing of magic. b. casting spells with your butt is usually frowned upon so this practice is generally avoided. hence why mages stick to hands.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Nov 4, 2019 8:30:35 GMT
Well, in the mage origin for DAO you start out without a staff but you can still cast spells.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 4, 2019 11:35:02 GMT
a. mages can do magic without hands. this dude clearly knows nothing of magic. b. casting spells with your butt is usually frowned upon so this practice is generally avoided. hence why mages stick to hands. What about using your... staff?
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Post by Blaze on Nov 4, 2019 17:34:49 GMT
a. mages can do magic without hands. this dude clearly knows nothing of magic. b. casting spells with your butt is usually frowned upon so this practice is generally avoided. hence why mages stick to hands. What about using your... staff? dude, how do you hold a staff...?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 4, 2019 17:43:23 GMT
What about using your... staff? dude, how do you hold a staff...? With my butt?
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Post by Iddy on Nov 4, 2019 17:45:18 GMT
What about using your... staff? dude, how do you hold a staff...? Vigorously.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 4, 2019 17:45:30 GMT
dude, how do you hold a staff...? With my butt? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 22, 2019 11:27:50 GMT
I suppose since magic is a mental discipline, you don't strictly need hands to cast spells, but it may serve to help with your concentration and with directing magical projectiles. It's likely that mages can theoretically dispense with any kind of physical movement for spellcasting altogether, but magic is taught with physical movement since that's easier, and some mages never learn to do without it. If I noticed a mage casting spells without physical movement, assuming I could discern that they're doing it in the first place, I'd consider this mage especially competent and/or experienced.
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Post by Noxluxe on Dec 1, 2019 17:55:06 GMT
It's easy to imagine the Chantry-run circles having a standing policy of gestures and invocations "always" being a necessary part of spellcasting.
Young mages, or even adults, ever being taught to cast spells wordlessly or without using their hands would obviously be a security nightmare for the Templars.
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Post by xerrai on Dec 2, 2019 4:31:34 GMT
It's easy to imagine the Chantry-run circles having a standing policy of gestures and invocations "always" being a necessary part of spellcasting. Young mages, or even adults, ever being taught to cast spells wordlessly or without using their hands would obviously be a security nightmare for the Templars. I think it is important to remember that the Circles actually shares a good deal of thier magical tradition with Tevinter--a place that defiantly does not want thier mages limited. By all accounts, the southern Circles are just Tevinter Circles + Chantry restrictions. Let's take staff usage as an example. Sure that could be a Chantry falsehood so thier mages would be reliant on a tool that can be controlled and managed, but if this such an unnecessary limitation then why do Tevinter mages still use staffs? They seem to use it as much as the southern mages do so it can't really be an artificial limitation can it? Odds are the Circle also shares things like spirit bindings, gestures and invocations in thier magical tradition too. Not that I would put it beyond the Chantry's interest to limit thier mages, but I do not think they reached illuminati levels of lies just yet. Still though, the Chantry's (and likely Tevinter's) standardized magical tradition has definitely perpetuated misinformation. Or at least partial misinformation. By all accounts, the so called "Cardinal rules" of magic have either been bent or broken entirely. And I don't think these were artificially crafted falsehoods either, but rather just something they genuinely believed based off of earlier magical observations. Because let's be honest, the Chantry/Circles--and most of Thedas in fact--are not exactly the most informed group when it comes to magic. For them to intentionally lie and create artificial requirements for spellcasting , that would mean they would have had to been privy to the real limitations (or non-limitations) of magic in the first place....and I just can't see the Chantry having that information. It's not like Nevarran burial rituals and phylacteries where they define it as "not real Blood Magic" due to political reasons, I think they genuinely thought the cardinal rules of magic were a real thing they could belive and rely on.
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Post by xerrai on Dec 2, 2019 4:37:41 GMT
Remember Solas turned qunari into stone without even moving, with his hands behind his back He didn't do it with a clear line of sight either--something that was apparently believed to be a requirement for spellcasting according to a mage in the Stolen Throne book. So, you know, he that badazzery going for him.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 3, 2019 16:45:10 GMT
Remember Solas turned qunari into stone without even moving, with his hands behind his back He didn't do it with a clear line of sight either--something that was apparently believed to be a requirement for spellcasting according to a mage in the Stolen Throne book. So, you know, he that badazzery going for him. yeah, weird. almost like he is an ancient elven god or something =P
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