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Post by Phantom on Nov 16, 2019 18:08:30 GMT
"I control the Reapers. They are my solution" Still hurts me. I am so disappointed. For that is the intent of the Star Child to break the 4th wall and hurt the player. Knowing that and eating Pineapple pizza will help resist the Indoctrination.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2019 18:12:40 GMT
For that is the intent of the Star Child to break the 4th wall and hurt the player. At that point, Bioware treats it like you and the Reapers find yourselves at a Mexican Standoff. An impas. But as I've argued, that can't be further from the truth.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 16, 2019 18:29:25 GMT
Knowing that and eating Pineapple pizza will help resist the Indoctrination. It does. Adding pepperoni will increase that resistance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 3:54:25 GMT
I don't see the Starchild conversation as a standoff.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 17, 2019 8:38:53 GMT
I don't see the Starchild conversation as a standoff. Good for you.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 17, 2019 17:21:23 GMT
I suppose there's slightly more hope for restoring an exaltation victim than a harvesting victim, according to the datapads on the Archon's flagship. Not really. According to Lexi, there is nothing left of the original species other than the traits the Kett wanted after the exaltation is completed. They might have memories unlike Husks, but genetically they are now Kett.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 18, 2019 7:28:20 GMT
Still hurts me. I am so disappointed. For that is the intent of the Star Child to break the 4th wall and hurt the player. Knowing that and eating Pineapple pizza will help resist the Indoctrination. It might be preferable to jump into the beam than to eat pineapple pizza.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 18, 2019 17:16:48 GMT
For that is the intent of the Star Child to break the 4th wall and hurt the player. Knowing that and eating Pineapple pizza will help resist the Indoctrination. It might be preferable to jump into the beam than to eat pineapple pizza. Jumping into the beam turns the entire galaxy into one giant pineapple pizza.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 18, 2019 17:25:00 GMT
It might be preferable to jump into the beam than to eat pineapple pizza. Jumping into the beam turns the entire galaxy into one giant pineapple pizza. I prefer being forced to eat pineapple pizza than having the green forced on me.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 18, 2019 19:18:43 GMT
It might be preferable to jump into the beam than to eat pineapple pizza. Jumping into the beam turns the entire galaxy into one giant pineapple pizza. If there is a hell, surely this would be it.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 19, 2019 7:26:34 GMT
What they didn't account for is that one Reaper was left behind, same as Sovereign. It knew about Jardaan plans and took measures of its own. It indoctrinated some of Jardaan people and when time comes they will help Reapers to find and destroy Jardaan. But the Reapers never came from Milky Way galaxy (for unkown reasons) and Sovereign #2 decided to act on its own. It used indoctrinated agents to start a civil war and then finally used Scourge to defeat Jardaan.
Also the fact that I still believe the Angarans and the Jardaan were the same race: This thread is done.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 19, 2019 17:51:12 GMT
Question: What's the source of the Scourge? Mac Walters: Not going to say, but I can tell you its not the Reapers, its definitely not the Reapers. For sure not the Reapers. REAPERS ARE THE SOURCE OF THE SCOURGE CONFIRMED!Sorry, but just because you like some idea doesn't mean its better or more correct that some other one. This thread stays.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 20, 2019 6:02:07 GMT
Question: What's the source of the Scourge? Mac Walters: Not going to say, but I can tell you its not the Reapers, its definitely not the Reapers. For sure not the Reapers. REAPERS ARE THE SOURCE OF THE SCOURGE CONFIRMED!Sorry, but just because you like some idea doesn't mean its better or more correct that some other one. This thread stays. Issue 1: So you believe he was lying to everyone and that Reapers are responsible or trying to convince himself? Bioware does -as a whole have a history of misdirection upon misdirection while for the most part staying truthful in what they say & publish. Even an un-modded ME3 had many endings as Casey Hudson said it would -Squadmate endings not the main endings -again misdirection -yet truth.
Maybe he knows people will reverse engineer what he says and will take the opposite so he does the opposite of what people think and tells the truth: Kind of ingenious if you ask me:
Though that can go both ways as well so evidence for the opposite of the opposite of the opposite could be true which would mean....
Maybe your right and it is him lying to us straight forward. Though Casey Hudson was seen to be lying when he said that about ME3 endings and the backlash it caused I doubt they would pull that same thing twice and get people mad at them again the same way. FYI Casey got death threats for what he said with ME3. You think Mac would be do the same and allow his family to experience the same thing?
Issue 2: Not that I like it.
It just makes more sense based on the facts that we have from the lore of the game & the game codex. If you read the entire thread it makes since but has no meaning if you don't read it and get the facts. Though something that I so far have not yet seen in the thread is that about the Angara origin of creation...
When Ryder makes the discovery in the vault where you find the Angara "template" read the words that SAM says very carefully: "Translating... Pattern 1-3 Viability 56.2%. Genetic template transmitted for testing" Break it down:
-Pattern 1-3
This is simple enough for even me: the chamber is full of rows and rows of Angara and this one is on row 1 and third in line. -Genetic TemplateSimple enough again -in most cultures anything genetic boils down to DNA and RNA so this is part of the template however I believe another part is added here. I believe it actually goes further here and combines RNA & DNA with a mental template of a Jardaan mind digitally stored -maybe on Meridian itself. -Viability 56.2% Why use that if the Angara can already live Aya and other planets? Maybe a Meridian compatibility score?.... Maybe. To me it is more likely it means the Angara that has been grown in the tube is a 56.2% compatibility match to the genetic mental template that is being transmitted. -For testing The Jardaan are not stupid by any means and use one template at a centralized location that is copied once and transmitted and then downloaded into the waiting Angara body. If the Angara awakes then a Jardaan is reborn out of whatever calamity befell them. If not then the data center that houses the mind of the Jardaan recalculates and does some modification to the next Angara in line. And the vault waits till it receives the signal and then makes the next pattern available for testing -most likely modifying the necessary traits or builds a whole Angara. The vault signals it is ready and the Data Center transmits another copy while the failed attempt is liquefied and its genetics recycled. And more likely than not this process only occurs if the subject is over the 50% mark in compatibility. Though the lower the number the more likely the imprint is lost to the vaccum of space -for we never see the Angara wake. The frightening thing is this technology may have been broken by the scourge or may have never worked correctly and all Angara are basically the same mental stamp but different traits activated or descendants of the original Jardaan who moved to Aya. Either way as time always does their ancient ways were lost.
Conclusion: That vault is basically a giant cloning or genetic replicator for the Jardaan race and allows them to replace failing bodies: Sounds familiar:
That said I answer this other question with the most logical deduction about the Reapers:
IF and I put high emphasis on that.
If the Reapers were responsible for the scourge then the scourge may be their excrement.
There otherwise is hardly any other scientific facts -based on the games to take as lore that would even try to make this even more insane hypothesis true in my eyes for no facts is equal to nothing more that fiction and fantasy. Have fun there i will stay in the fact based community where Mass Effect science always resides.
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It's true, since throughout ME3 you resolve many character stories and subplots from previous two games.
However, people who are mad claimed this meant doing all that in the last 5 minutes of the game, which is simply unfeasible. So when the game didn't wrap up every single story and character plot in the last 5 minutes of the game, they started waving their fiery pitchforks and calling Bioware liars.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 20, 2019 15:23:23 GMT
So you believe he was lying to everyone and that Reapers are responsible or trying to convince himself? I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone that Mac Walters was joking there. If you want to discuss your theory regarding Angara you should maybe create a new thread.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 20, 2019 17:33:19 GMT
So you believe he was lying to everyone and that Reapers are responsible or trying to convince himself? I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone that Mac Walters was joking there. If you want to discuss your theory regarding Angara you should maybe create a new thread. 1: That would explain it since I don't joke nor do I understand jokes unless of a logical nature.
--In the sense of it I am a real-life Elcor, Vulcan, sherlock holmes or batman -been called all three -no one I know though cares for gaming so the Elcor is self-defined.
2: Not on here enough to warrant it nor do I or will I take credit for a theory that though I like parts of it does not mean I agree with everything it says. Just trying to state that the facts that we have from and about the game does not support your theory but does the other. If you want to live in fantasy that is fine just take guidance that more likely than not unless your a writer for MEA2 or MEA3 -IF THEY EVEN MAKE THEM on par with ME3 this theory is very unlikely to occur.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 20, 2019 19:27:35 GMT
Just trying to state that the facts that we have from and about the game does not support your theory but does the other. Can you be more specific? Which facts do not support my theory? If you want to live in fantasy that is fine just take guidance that more likely than not unless your a writer for MEA2 or MEA3 -IF THEY EVEN MAKE THEM on par with ME3 this theory is very unlikely to occur. I am well aware that as soon as new ME content arrives, any fan theory (including mine) that contradicts this content will become obsolete. However, I am convinced that based on all information about ME world that we know NOW, my theory can work. If you know of any piece of lore that contradicts it, pklease let me know, I will gladly fix my theory to accomodate new data or admit that it simply cannot work if it cannot be salvaged. P.S. Please consider using commas.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 22, 2019 2:47:54 GMT
Just trying to state that the facts that we have from and about the game does not support your theory but does the other. Can you be more specific? Which facts do not support my theory? If you want to live in fantasy that is fine just take guidance that more likely than not unless your a writer for MEA2 or MEA3 -IF THEY EVEN MAKE THEM on par with ME3 this theory is very unlikely to occur. I am well aware that as soon as new ME content arrives, any fan theory (including mine) that contradicts this content will become obsolete. However, I am convinced that based on all information about ME world that we know NOW, my theory can work. If you know of any piece of lore that contradicts it, pklease let me know, I will gladly fix my theory to accomodate new data or admit that it simply cannot work if it cannot be salvaged. P.S. Please consider using commas. I will use colons and hyphens. Commas and me never get along.
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 23, 2019 5:29:59 GMT
I've suspected since the Remnant were first revealed pre-release that the Jardaan visited the Milky Way at some point (don't the crypts on Klencory sound an awful lot like a Vault?) but I doubt it will be a major part of their background.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 24, 2019 3:11:05 GMT
It's true, since throughout ME3 you resolve many character stories and subplots from previous two games. However, people who are mad claimed this meant doing all that in the last 5 minutes of the game, which is simply unfeasible. So when the game didn't wrap up every single story and character plot in the last 5 minutes of the game, they started waving their fiery pitchforks and calling Bioware liars. That was a stupid assumption by fans imo.
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Post by guanxi on Nov 27, 2019 10:59:23 GMT
Rather than bring back the reapers I would much rather explore the consequences of what happens to life (a galaxy) in the absence of Reapers (cycles) as that's genuinely uncharted territory for both the series and contemporary science fiction. The Helius cluster setting was a conscious decision to avoid answering this question as the ecological disaster which befell the Jardaan ensured that the lifeforms left there would be Kardashev type II - no more advanced than us.
The real unanswered question for this series is does the unimpeded development of artificial life for untold millennia condemn organic life to extinction or subjugation as they (Reapers) suggested it would? Do organics have to become at least partially or completely synthetic to survive outside of the cycles as they suggested? Is synthesis really inevitable for all life? Think about the wider role of natural selection in this context in shaping these life forms... how would an organic species evolve in this context? What kind of organic species could survive and how?
I think for the most part organic life in Andromeda may only exist in small pockets like Helius that lack the necessary resources that the synthetic or bio-synthetic species would want so the beings there would be spared for being essentially too primitive to harvest. As soon as any fledgling organic species piques the interest of the advanced life what happens then? Surely not all advanced life would consciously or unintentionally threaten the existence of the developing life or react in the same way? What kind of challenges would the advanced life be dealing with? There is so much potential for a post-reapers Mass Effect series the idea of retreading the reapers or returning to the Milky Way feels like an enormous waste of everybody’s time and effort.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 27, 2019 15:26:05 GMT
1. The Reaper Math is correct -However if you use the same formula for Reaper FTL for the Nexus, Hyperion and Alliance ships and the Tempest FTL there is speed discrepancies. Even what others have calculated into being correct does not match. √(Length of the ship in meters /1.485 = FTL Speed per day. FTL Speed*365=FTL Speed per year ODSY DRIVE double the rate (*2) Example: Reaper 2000m √2000=1000/1.485 = 30.1154 LYpD (LY per Day)*365=10992.1186773 (LY per YEAR)
D2A: 2500000/10992.1186773=227.435681279 (LY to Andromeda) Implement to the ships above and you will see the discrepancy. 2.
Either through evacuation, extermination, subjugation or relocation this would take a lot of time to accomplish.
If they had finished by the time the Reapers invaded doubt they would have had time to hide Meridain.
Unless they were to take one a triple point tactic: delay the reapers(relay destruction); move, subjugate or relocate and build or activate the vaults. That brings up a very good question: how long did it take the Jardaan to build each vault?
Maybe they didn't may be they were grown.
The vaults on the inside do seem somewhat crystalline in structure...
By that time there would be no time to hide Meridian and also with the Reapers sensors like everything else about them: Superior.
So they most likely would be able to tell what the Jardaan would be doing so the Reapers would not be in for a surprise. The Reapers also are NOT stupid.
They would arrive and notice what was once there had changed.
They would investigate and they would find out what they didn't know:
"Our relay is destroyed. Hmm someone is here. We will find out who & they will perish."
Why would the Angarans be a slave race?
They have no history of being oppressed, they don't seem to have their freedom of spirit destroyed -if anything it is more empowered by the Kett war.
They seem to have an extreme retaliatory approach to being put in such a situation -not a trait of an oppressed slave race.
Furthermore more-often than not slave races -when the parent race has no more use for them; they usually do one thing -extermination.
Though if the Jardaan became benign at the end maybe they would have freed the Angara. 3. This would be problematic since Jardaan tech requires:
To to me the Jardaan would have to be a race symbiotic with AI.
Kind of like the Star Trek Trill or Stargate Tok'ra -NOT AI but symbiotic races.
For the Reaper to brainwash the Jardaan it would require it to destroy or dominate the AI first and then also have to dominate the mind of the Jardaan.
In essence the Reaper would have to take over two minds in one form and they would both fight back.
In many cases unless all hope of its brethren arrival had failed the Reaper would probably find this very inefficient.
Rather have the gullible organic that would fall for the lies it tells them or have the AI who would know better and tell the Jardaan to fight, to resist.
Combined maybe they could at least for a time push back the Reaper mind. If the Reaper was able to destroy the AI that was blended with the Jardaan in question it could also destroy their psyche so instead of getting itself thralls the best option would be for the Reaper to get the Jardaan to destroy themselves by attacking a lone Jardaan and one alone. One on the Khi Tasira that detonated whatever released the scourge. So the Reaper would in that case be responsible for it -though indirectly.
Reaper Tech Indoctrination and Exaltation are far different. Indoctrination leaves the mind intact but twists it till the suffer can't even eat without the Reapers input -can take days to weeks. Exaltation basically replaces the victims DNA with Kett DNA and take multiple injections -obliterates the psyche -some memories occasionally may survive. Exaltation can take months maybe years to complete.
The Reapers would never send a species out on crusade that would reduce genetic diversity.
From the many becoming one is something the Kett would approve -the Reapers not so much. 4.
That would be a... long game and meticulous game. If we have to explore the whole Andromeda galaxy with over a trillion stars that would definitely be a one play through game.
Though I don't agree the Reaper would want the Kett to attack its purpose of its existence: the preservation of life at all costs:
5.
Never did. He/IT was just stating what its kind has done so many times before in their billion plus years of existence. The reason though they don't leave the Milky Way:
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Post by skekSil on Nov 27, 2019 20:08:51 GMT
√(Length of the ship in meters /1.485 = FTL Speed per day. Where did you get this formula? Either through evacuation, extermination, subjugation or relocation this would take a lot of time to accomplish.
If they had finished by the time the Reapers invaded doubt they would have had time to hide Meridain.
Unless they were to take one a triple point tactic: delay the reapers(relay destruction); move, subjugate or relocate and build or activate the vaults. That brings up a very good question: how long did it take the Jardaan to build each vault?
Maybe they didn't may be they were grown.
The vaults on the inside do seem somewhat crystalline in structure...
By that time there would be no time to hide Meridian We have no idea how advanced Jardaan were or how long have they been preparing. They might have been able to accomplish it in decades or centuries, or maybe they have beed building vaults for the last 20 thousand years. To say that they had no time to finish their project is baseless speculation. So they most likely would be able to tell what the Jardaan would be doing so the Reapers would not be in for a surprise. The Reapers also are NOT stupid. It doesnt matter whether Reapers could find out about Jardaan or not. If Jardaan themselves BELIEVED that they could do it they would do it. And by the way, according to this theory, Reapers did find everything out and used Scourge to stop it. "Our relay is destroyed. Hmm someone is here. We will find out who & they will perish." It is not neccessary for them to destroy any Mass Relays. Jardaan might have simply chosen Heleus cluster precisely because it had no relays. Why would the Angarans be a slave race? It makes sense in the context of the theory. According to it, Jardaan were planning to quickly rebuild after the Reapers had left. They would need cheap labor to do that and creating a subservient race would be a reasonable thing to do. Perhaps slave is a harsh word. Maybe servants or helpers or even worshipers. Of course they could have some other plans for Angara, for example using them as decoys during harvest. For the Reaper to brainwash the Jardaan it would require it to destroy or dominate the AI first and then also have to dominate the mind of the Jardaan.
In essence the Reaper would have to take over two minds in one form and they would both fight back. Hard but not impossible. As you have said "everything else about them: Superior". Reaper Tech Indoctrination and Exaltation are far different. To me Exaltation is more like what they did to Protheans turning them into Collectors. The Reapers would never send a species out on crusade that would reduce genetic diversity. Though I don't agree the Reaper would want the Kett to attack its purpose of its existence: the preservation of life at all costs Remember that Reaper is in fact in a very unique and dangerous situation. It might have to tame its ego and deal with smaller but more imediate problems first. It might be using Kett to achieve temporary strategic goals, for example defeating major galactic powers or securing neccessary territories or resources, before fully taking control of them and proceeding to phase two, whatever that might be. If we have to explore the whole Andromeda galaxy with over a trillion stars that would definitely be a one play through game. ??? Milky Way has billions of stars too, that wasnt a problem for original trilogy. In fact having Mass Relays (and hence Reapers) would allow main heroes to travel to any part of Andromeda while without relays they would be stuck in a small region around Heleus cluster. scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/156410/why-did-the-reapers-not-harvest-other-galaxies/156415#156415 This post does not contradict my theory in any way. Well may be except for this part: But considering that it is Leviathans who programmed Catalyst it is reasonable to assume that they screwed it up and didn't put restrictions on their area of operation. Perhaps this is the reason Catalyst chose this method of "preseving" organics: Leviathans cared only about their thralls in MW, while Catalyst interpreted his objectives as 'preserve all organics (everywhere)'.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 27, 2019 20:41:39 GMT
I never want to see the Reapers or the protheans for that matter in Andromeda. Those stories are done. We need new stories. I feel like people are clinging to these story elements because the Reaper War didn't end in a satisfying way, but dragging them into the Andromeda galaxy is not going to fix that and to many people it would just be rehashing the ME:OT all over again. Not everything in the Mass Effect universe has to be motivated by the Reapers. I want the Jardaan to have there own motivations completely separate from the Reapers.
Some of this is fan theories and fan fiction ideas because BioWare isn't stating anything about the next Mass Effect game other than "we plan to make another new one" and two a lot of people are still sore about the endings to ME3 and want BioWare to somehow fix that even if means breaking the rules and lore into a thousand pieces to get there even if makes a worse stories for MEA2 because BioWare would have to drag all that baggage with 3 games and a shit ton of story based DLC and thousands of decisions major and minor from MET and all of the DLC.
This honestly would not surprise me if this is one of the reasons why DA4 has been pushed back is because they know fans want certain characters brought back and events referenced but because everybody has different world states it's next to impossible to create a story that could even satisfy 1% of BioWare's most rabid and vocal fanbase and then dragging Varric, Morrigan, and Leliana back into a story that would be better off without them because the fans love them. It's the same with Mass Effect people still upset with BioWare over the endings to ME3 and wanting MEA2 to give them the endings that they wanted to ME3 (which still wouldn't work and never will work unless you have a time machine).
Also the Reapers are known. They are familiar, comfortable, and most of all safe. We know them and how to mock and make fun them. We know their reasons and weaknesses. But a new enemy that us totally different from the Reapers and we don't know how to mock and make fun of them we don't know their reasons and weaknesses. That is new, scary, and different and we can't have that, can we?
People want to familiar even the bad guys I mean how many times has Batman fought the Joker? Superman fought Lex Luthor? Spider-Man fought the Green Goblin? The X-Men fought Magneto and the Brotherhood? Optimus Prime and the Autobots fought Megatron and the Decepticons? He-Man fought Skelator? And so on and so forth.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 29, 2019 5:20:19 GMT
I never want to see the Reapers or the protheans for that matter in Andromeda. Those stories are done. We need new stories. I feel like people are clinging to these story elements because the Reaper War didn't end in a satisfying way, but dragging them into the Andromeda galaxy is not going to fix that and to many people it would just be rehashing the ME:OT all over again. Not everything in the Mass Effect universe has to be motivated by the Reapers. I want the Jardaan to have there own motivations completely separate from the Reapers. Agreed keep it separate.
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