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Post by Hrungr on Nov 15, 2019 17:47:19 GMT
Kotaku: Sources: BioWare Plans A Complete Overhaul For Anthemkotaku.com/sources-bioware-plans-a-complete-overhaul-for-anthem-1839892415 Recent silence and a couple of high-profile departures from BioWare have led fans and pundits to speculate that the studio has abandoned its most recent game, Anthem, but the opposite is true. For the last few months, BioWare and parent company EA have been planning an overhaul of the online shooter, according to three people familiar with those plans. Some call it “Anthem 2.0” or “Anthem Next.”
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 15, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
As long as they don't pull a Destiny and make us pay for the patch/fixes I will go back and try the game if they make any kind of change to it.
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Post by shinobiwan on Nov 15, 2019 19:47:38 GMT
It’s interesting I guess that they’re still working on Anthem, but I still have zero confidence that the current people at BioWare have the capability to produce a decent quality game anymore. Not holding my breath.
And LOL at Jason shamelessly attacking his competition on YouTube.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 15, 2019 19:51:28 GMT
If this game gets a sequel it should use the original title...Anthem: Beyond. If not a sequel then a huge update.
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Post by OdanUrr on Nov 15, 2019 20:23:52 GMT
Make it offline and add a proper SP campaign.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 20:35:52 GMT
At least parts of it will have to be online, because of the MP aspect … but I truly hope for a proper SP campaign … which I would love to play with my two pilots, one being the "nice" pilot, the other being a bit "salty" in personality.
The current SP/MP setup doesn't work …
So maybe the SP campaign can go offline and you go online for the MP aspects. Similar to ME3MP and MEAMP, but a lot more integrated … since in ME, the SP protagonist does not appear in MP.
I don't think BioWare knows yet … from the article, they are still trying to figure out the way ahead.
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Post by samhain444 on Nov 15, 2019 20:55:37 GMT
They've sold over 5 million copies of the game so might as well maximize what the IP can do. If Austin is embracing the challenge, and new eyes are on it, not really seeing how this not a positive.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 15, 2019 21:05:30 GMT
I feel like some of what I want is a bit basic... at first. I'd like to see a more fleshed out single player campaign, sure. I'd also like to see character creation and third person in fort tarsis. Having more creative control over your pilot would increase immersion. Maybe have a helmet removal option during gameplay.
I started playing the finale of the story today and was enjoying it. Scripted missions work so well for this game. I hope to see more of that in the future.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 15, 2019 21:26:13 GMT
Make it offline and add a proper SP campaign. Pretty much the only way I'd vaguely consider getting into this dumpster fire.
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 15, 2019 21:57:15 GMT
I'm gonna be honest here. I could say that this is a surprise, given the reaction to Anthem at release... but let's be honest for a second. There's precedent for this sort of thing. Look at FFXIV. Look at No Man's Sky. If these two games can make the comeback they did, so can Anthem.
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Post by xrayspex73 on Nov 15, 2019 22:29:03 GMT
They better not make us pay for this overhaul. It looks like they are thinking about selling it as a sequel of sorts. F That... They didn't deliver at all with the first game. It would be pure EA to try and make us pay again for the game they never gave us in the first place.
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Post by correctamundo on Nov 15, 2019 23:40:51 GMT
Not really anything they haven't already said.
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Post by Steelcan on Nov 15, 2019 23:57:03 GMT
why bother
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 16, 2019 1:15:06 GMT
They've sold over 5 million copies of the game so might as well maximize what the IP can do. If Austin is embracing the challenge, and new eyes are on it, not really seeing how this not a positive. Did EA announce that it sold five million copies? For if accurate that was the number of copies EA was predicting before the open betas and then they just upped the projected sales due to the amount of Twitter traffic and other online discussions about the game.
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 16, 2019 1:28:09 GMT
Frostbite engine, negative reviews, very few people playing or interested in the game (Twitch viewership at times numbering a single digit), the unlikelihood that EA can make any substantial amount of short-term profit (which we all know is what EA is after) are some of the factors that make me very skeptical that this so-called "Anthem: Next" project will ever see the light of the day. Bioware would like it to happen, no doubt. But the obstacles are insurmountable at this point.
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Post by Frost on Nov 16, 2019 1:45:12 GMT
Wow. What a waste of time and resources. Hasn't this game done enough damage already?
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Post by clips7 on Nov 16, 2019 4:58:43 GMT
Make it offline and add a proper SP campaign. ^^^This....if they commit to a fully realized (offline) SP campaign and still have the MP stuff online (like ME3 MP) i would be fully committed to Anthem. I don't think they would pull a Anthem 2 without correcting what was wrong with this entity....you have to correct the problems with this game first then create a proper sequel improving or innovating the game on all fronts. The story and overall concept of Anthem has potential and i like the design and flight mechanics of the Javelins, but sloppy execution hurt Anthem tremendously....hopefully it can turn itself around in a positive light...
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 16, 2019 6:02:55 GMT
Frostbite engine, negative reviews, very few people playing or interested in the game (Twitch viewership at times numbering a single digit), the unlikelihood that EA can make any substantial amount of short-term profit (which we all know is what EA is after) are some of the factors that make me very skeptical that this so-called "Anthem: Next" project will ever see the light of the day. Bioware would like it to happen, no doubt. But the obstacles are insurmountable at this point. Games do lose people all the time so Twitch numbers mean very little if they feel there are still enough people playing the game. I just finished with The Division 2 and I couldn't find groups most of the time or if I did I would have cleared over 80% of the mission solo and it has had really low Twitch numbers too, but they are still working on the game. I still don't get the pointing of fingers at Frostbite, I am currently playing Fallen Order and they used Unreal for it and it has just as many presentation issues that people seem to keep pointing out with Frostbite. There is one member of my crew that gives me the impression she doesn't have eyelids and stares at me all the time. It not being good for a RPG is purely a BioWare issue since BioWare would have had to make the RPG modules for the game to work, its why the other areas work better for teams that have had more time to develop those modules.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 16, 2019 7:10:30 GMT
Given how much roadmap has been scrapped in the past, wouldn't they need a bigger team for this? Certainly No Man's Sky wasn't overhauled by a skeleton crew. I wonder how they're going to do this. New hires? Outsource? Bring in people from their other teams and make another project suffer again?
I still think Anthem has... some... potential, but not enough to mess up something else for it.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 16, 2019 9:03:02 GMT
Color me surprised!
EA must have spent a fortune on this game if they're that desperate to save it...
Imo they're doing this way too late. And I'm doubtful this is a winning strategy but I'm curious now what this revamp is going to be. Offline MUCH expanded SP campaign might make me get it for 10 bucks.
Even NMS in its current form remains a shallow buggy mess. I know, I've played it for 250 frustrating hours! Hello Games did not magically turn this game into something entirely different. But it's doubtless an amazing comeback story and well worth the sale (!) price now.
I'm more shocked that they're already working on a new Mass Effect game for real. Even if it's still in the idea phase. Do they have enough people to work on two games simultaneously again, plus Anthem???
This seems like a horrible idea to me. They've had to pool all their resources on a single game twice in a row, resulting in two buggy rushed messes.
I would have thought they would concentrate completely on DA4 now with a small Austin team for Anthem support.
Either Bioware is doing much better management-wise already than we thought or they'll just continue to bite off more than they can chew.
I hope for their sake that they know what they're doing.
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Post by saandrig on Nov 16, 2019 9:28:20 GMT
A complete overhaul of a disappointing EA game instead of abandoning the whole thing? That will be a first. But it's the only thing to keep Anthem relevant and possibly create the build up for a sequel. My expectations are pretty low at the moment, so it shouldn't be tough to impress me, Bioware.
But as it is, the only way I will believe this news is if the next thing they say is "DA4 is delayed indefinitely"
Greedfall was made in 3 years by a team of average 30 people with a budget of around 5.5 million (on the lowest low end for an AA game). Yes, Bioware has the people and resources. What they lacked recently is the proper leadership. If they focus they can work on multiple projects with no issues.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 16, 2019 9:35:57 GMT
But as it is, the only way I will believe this news is if the next thing they say is "DA4 is delayed indefinitely" LOL
Seriously, it sounds as if they still have no real idea how to save Anthem. They're STILL spit balling solutions, 8 (?) years later they're still in the idea phase... !!!
I guess it depends on EA deciding which of their works in progress to throw under the bus for a win. That messy but still potentially profitable live service game or a nice RPG... oh oh.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2019 11:48:28 GMT
Oh, hey. It's the thing I've been talking about in the DA4 threads about why that game is getting pushed so far back. Make it offline and add a proper SP campaign.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Nov 16, 2019 13:27:42 GMT
Will we have to buy the game all over again? Will people be forced to fork over their hard-earned cash for this REDUX of a game we should have gotten to begin with? Because if this is going to be the case, I will stick to the game I already own.
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