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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2019 13:46:21 GMT
Will we have to buy the game all over again? Will people be forced to fork over their hard-earned cash for this REDUX of a game we should have gotten to begin with? Because if this is going to be the case, I will stick to the game I already own. Thanks. All updates to Anthem are supposed to be free and though I am not privy to that information, I would assume this would be no different. If it isn't, though, oof.
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Post by jclosed on Nov 16, 2019 14:29:31 GMT
Imagine this nightmare...
The new Anthem will be released in... 2022. They gobble together all resources and people and drop them in one kettle to stir and boil it into... Something.
And the result is...
The new Anthem will take place in a newly found global cluster somewhere in the Andomeda nebula, and the researchers have noticed that the there are planets that have real dragons, and some mystery force that is called magic. The planets are inhibited not only with humans (a big mystery how they got there), but also a race that resembles Elves, and some strange huge humanoid-like race that posesses horns and a strange religy. Other planets seem to be overtaken by Artificial Intelligence robot-like creatures, a violent race that calls itself Kriegons, or Karons or something like that, a humanoid-like blue-skinned race, and some other races that seem strangely familiar for some reason. Oh - and there is also a whole fleet of spaceships that seem to be some nomadic race, but nobody has made contact so far.
Yeah... Whatever...
Anyway. More seriously. I would be nice if Anthem got a big SP part, that can be played fully off-line. But to be honest, the chances that this will happen are in my humble opinion astronomical low. I predict Anthem's new "step forward" will be an MMO. So in stead of more SP, they will cut out all SP components, and turn Anthem in a massive multiplayer "Game As Service" junkyard. Maybe they will even turn it into a streaming service, so you only get a local client and no game at all.
We will see, we will see...
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 16, 2019 15:54:05 GMT
For someone who isn't particularly interested in the genre or the IP, this is close to a worst-case scenario, isn't it?
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 16, 2019 16:45:52 GMT
For someone who isn't particularly interested in the genre or the IP, this is close to a worst-case scenario, isn't it? It could be but I see it as a confusing one, here's how I'm looking at it (just guessing here) Andromeda sold as many copies as Anthem If not more but we never got any DLC'S etc. they just went and put it on ice, people still replay it now Anthem tanked in less in several months But is planning a major overhaul to save their live service game why not ice it ? and work on what the fans want and in a shorter time I'm sure they will make more cash that way than wasting money on Anthem after all time is money and they are wasting a lot of it.
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Post by biggydx on Nov 16, 2019 16:59:33 GMT
I'm more shocked that they're already working on a new Mass Effect game for real. Even if it's still in the idea phase. Do they have enough people to work on two games simultaneously again, plus Anthem??? To me, it sounds like a good portion of the Edmonton team, as well as Austin, are working to get the overhaul released for Anthem. Once the overhaul is released, Edmonton will likely hand over control of the game to Austin so that they can focus on fully developing DA4 (they already have a small team working on it). Casey Hudson also mentioned how, in his most recent blog, that the team is trying to recruit new people to shore up their numbers. My best guess is that Mass Effect will stay in the story-boarding/prototype phase from now until DA4 has released, and will then transition to pre-production during the first year or so after DA4 releases. Afterwards, they'll get most of Edmonton to shift from DA4 over to the next Mass Effect game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2019 17:04:48 GMT
Andromeda sold as many copies as Anthem If not more but we never got any DLC'S etc. they just went and put it on ice Well, it depends. According to this article, we have a better understanding what happens to put a franchise on ice and what that means for the franchise going forward. people still replay it now But that is useless for EA, without "recurrent player spending" Anthem tanked in less in several months But is planning a major overhaul to save their live service game why not ice it ? Because as a live service game, it has the "recurrent player spending" potential. Provided it recovers. EA will try it as many times, until it gets it right. They have the resources to funnel into it. and work on what the fans want and in a shorter time I'm sure they will make more cash that way than wasting money on Anthem after all time is money and they are wasting a lot of it. They obviously don't believe they can make the money on what you are proposing. Even so, EA cracking the code to "recurring player spending" with a formula to a game that keeps people occupied and committed in the long term is much more valuable to them in the long term than anything else.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 16, 2019 17:25:30 GMT
Talking about "the fans" isn't all that useful when discussing Anthem. Business-wise, ME:A and Anthem were trying to do different things, with projected player bases that don't overlap all that much. Another standard-model SP RPG wouldn't replace what Anthem was supposed to do for EA's lineup.
Whether EA can get what it wants from Anthem is another question. Sticking with Anthem might very well be an example of the sunk-cost fallacy. (Note that this isn't necessarily a fallacy for the individual decision-makers; it can be rational for someone who will lose his job if Anthem "fails" to keep shoveling more money into it even if that's a bad play for EA itself on the merits.) OTOH, rebooting Anthem will be faster than trying to put together an all-new product for that market segment.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2019 17:35:02 GMT
Talking about "the fans" isn't all that useful when discussing Anthem. Business-wise, ME:A and Anthem were trying to do different things, with projected player bases that don't overlap all that much. Another standard-model SP RPG wouldn't replace what Anthem was supposed to do for EA's lineup The next Mass Effect will be more Anthem-like than you, or I, would care for, I'm afraid. Whether EA can get what it wants from Anthem is another question. Sticking with Anthem might very well be an example of the sunk-cost fallacy. (Note that this isn't necessarily a fallacy for the individual decision-makers; it can be rational for someone who will lose his job if Anthem "fails" to keep shoveling more money into it even if that's a bad play for EA itself on the merits.) OTOH, rebooting Anthem will be faster than trying to put together an all-new product for that market segment. To EA that doesn't matter. Live Service is the Golden Goose and they are willing to sink as many funds into it as it needs, if it means finding the fine line it needs between predatory practice, I mean "recurring player spending" and player retention, EA is willing to invest all the FIFA money it has to accomplish that. They need that for their shareholders, their stock, their growth and their CEOs making money through stock manipulation.
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Post by bizantura on Nov 16, 2019 17:48:39 GMT
I thank yesteryear Bioware for the countless hours of play with Mass Effect and Dragon Age series.
Today's Bioware is as amoral as EA is, the lying of Anthem promotion and what the game was when there was no game. Hype for a buck with unscrupulous monetization schemes is what the gaming industry has become Bioware included.
I stopped buying Bioware games after ME Andromeda and probably it will stay that way, don't have any illusion of what DA4 will be if it ever releases. I honestly think Bioware has more chance of being mothballed instead of releasing any game.
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Post by Frost on Nov 16, 2019 18:19:58 GMT
To me, it sounds like a good portion of the Edmonton team, as well as Austin, are working to get the overhaul released for Anthem. Once the overhaul is released, Edmonton will likely hand over control of the game to Austin so that they can focus on fully developing DA4 (they already have a small team working on it). Casey Hudson also mentioned how, in his most recent blog, that the team is trying to recruit new people to shore up their numbers. My best guess is that Mass Effect will stay in the story-boarding/prototype phase from now until DA4 has released, and will then transition to pre-production during the first year or so after DA4 releases. Afterwards, they'll get most of Edmonton to shift from DA4 over to the next Mass Effect game. That is pretty much worst case scenario if Edmonton puts most of its staff for the next 4 or 5 years on Anthem doing the overhaul. That would make DA4 come out maybe in 2027? And, then what happens if the Anthem overhaul fails? There might not even be a DA4 or a Bioware.
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Post by samhain444 on Nov 16, 2019 18:38:58 GMT
They've sold over 5 million copies of the game so might as well maximize what the IP can do. If Austin is embracing the challenge, and new eyes are on it, not really seeing how this not a positive. Did EA announce that it sold five million copies? For if accurate that was the number of copies EA was predicting before the open betas and then they just upped the projected sales due to the amount of Twitter traffic and other online discussions about the game. Per NPD, it's the 8th bestselling game of the year through Oct 31st. One the games it is ahead of - Resident Evil 2 - has 4.7 mil units sold through Sept 30th per it's publisher and is no longer in the top ten through Oct. Seems reasonable, eh?
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Post by correctamundo on Nov 16, 2019 20:06:56 GMT
For someone who isn't particularly interested in the genre or the IP, this is close to a worst-case scenario, isn't it? What is?
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 16, 2019 20:07:40 GMT
Did EA announce that it sold five million copies? For if accurate that was the number of copies EA was predicting before the open betas and then they just upped the projected sales due to the amount of Twitter traffic and other online discussions about the game. Per NPD, it's the 8th bestselling game of the year through Oct 31st. One the games it is ahead of - Resident Evil 2 - has 4.7 mil units sold through Sept 30th per it's publisher and is no longer in the top ten through Oct. Seems reasonable, eh? It does thanks.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 16, 2019 20:10:36 GMT
To me, it sounds like a good portion of the Edmonton team, as well as Austin, are working to get the overhaul released for Anthem. Once the overhaul is released, Edmonton will likely hand over control of the game to Austin so that they can focus on fully developing DA4 (they already have a small team working on it). Casey Hudson also mentioned how, in his most recent blog, that the team is trying to recruit new people to shore up their numbers. My best guess is that Mass Effect will stay in the story-boarding/prototype phase from now until DA4 has released, and will then transition to pre-production during the first year or so after DA4 releases. Afterwards, they'll get most of Edmonton to shift from DA4 over to the next Mass Effect game. That is pretty much worst case scenario if Edmonton puts most of its staff for the next 4 or 5 years on Anthem doing the overhaul. That would make DA4 come out maybe in 2027? And, then what happens if the Anthem overhaul fails? There might not even be a DA4 or a Bioware. I think people are getting lost in the weeds with this unconfirmed report. I highly doubt they are going to go back and make the game from the very beginning and redesign it that much. To me this is going to be more of a systems overhaul such as loot, maybe enemy difficulties, possibly how difficult the game is to solo. Those types of things are what I expect. Things like making the game playable offline is something that would only happen with a brand new game. For all we know they are going to have a series of patches that target something they want to address such as a major loot overhaul, then a few months later maybe something to subdivide the game into smaller areas, etc.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2019 20:18:31 GMT
Did EA announce that it sold five million copies? For if accurate that was the number of copies EA was predicting before the open betas and then they just upped the projected sales due to the amount of Twitter traffic and other online discussions about the game. Per NPD, it's the 8th bestselling game of the year through Oct 31st. One the games it is ahead of - Resident Evil 2 - has 4.7 mil units sold through Sept 30th per it's publisher and is no longer in the top ten through Oct. Seems reasonable, eh? It's $10. How wrong can you go?
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 16, 2019 20:38:58 GMT
Per NPD, it's the 8th bestselling game of the year through Oct 31st. One the games it is ahead of - Resident Evil 2 - has 4.7 mil units sold through Sept 30th per it's publisher and is no longer in the top ten through Oct. Seems reasonable, eh? It's $10. How wrong can you go? I mean... www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/top-10/Unless you can clarify what's wrong with ol' Sammy's statement, I'm gonna have to go with him on this one. And I don't even give two shits about Anthem.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2019 20:57:26 GMT
It's $10. How wrong can you go? I mean... www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/top-10/Unless you can clarify what's wrong with ol' Sammy's statement, I'm gonna have to go with him on this one. And I don't even give two shits about Anthem. Of course it's selling. It's $10! Sell Modern Warfare for $10 and I'll buy it too and I never bought a CoD.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 16, 2019 20:58:12 GMT
For someone who isn't particularly interested in the genre or the IP, this is close to a worst-case scenario, isn't it? What is? A lot of Bio devs working onAnthem,when you don't really want to play a game like Anthem, isn't a good thing.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Nov 16, 2019 21:11:08 GMT
Of course it's selling. It's $10! Sell Modern Warfare for $10 and I'll buy it too and I never bought a CoD. At the bottom of the page Salos linked it's mentioned that "NPD’s U.S. top 10 games list, ranked by dollar sales, includes full-game digital sales (from participating publishers) as well as sales for physical formats sold at retail and online across console, PC and portable platforms." Which unless I'm reading it wrong means they're measuring by how much money it made not actual number of units shipped.
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 16, 2019 21:21:18 GMT
Of course it's selling. It's $10! Sell Modern Warfare for $10 and I'll buy it too and I never bought a CoD. At the bottom of the page Salos linked it's mentioned that "NPD’s U.S. top 10 games list, ranked by dollar sales, includes full-game digital sales (from participating publishers) as well as sales for physical formats sold at retail and online across console, PC and portable platforms." Which unless I'm reading it wrong means they're measuring by how much money it made not actual number of units shipped. I didn't notice that mention, funnily enough. Still kinda ironic.
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Post by samhain444 on Nov 16, 2019 21:41:07 GMT
Per NPD, it's the 8th bestselling game of the year through Oct 31st. One the games it is ahead of - Resident Evil 2 - has 4.7 mil units sold through Sept 30th per it's publisher and is no longer in the top ten through Oct. Seems reasonable, eh? It's $10. How wrong can you go? It was top 5 in sales for 5 months...but, sure
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Post by samhain444 on Nov 16, 2019 21:43:48 GMT
Of course it's selling. It's $10! Sell Modern Warfare for $10 and I'll buy it too and I never bought a CoD. At the bottom of the page Salos linked it's mentioned that "NPD’s U.S. top 10 games list, ranked by dollar sales, includes full-game digital sales (from participating publishers) as well as sales for physical formats sold at retail and online across console, PC and portable platforms." Which unless I'm reading it wrong means they're measuring by how much money it made not actual number of units shipped.
EA doesn't release Origin PC sales figures either so the amount listed is physical sales and digital sales for XBox and PS4
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Post by samhain444 on Nov 16, 2019 21:51:16 GMT
Whatever...it sold well but didn't meet EA's executives quarter projection (Feb 22 - Mar 31 2019) of "6 million units sold".
If it didn't make its money back, earn a profit and project out to be profitable in the future, EA/BioWare wouldn't be "doubling down" on its future as EA has shown no qualms in the past about letting something that wasn't working die. I get that this is the nature of this forum - you could essentially collapse every thread into "Skepticism" with only "Grabbits Den" and "Prospero's Store" threads left over - but realize, even if it's not meant for you, people are enjoying enough to sustain it and getting hyped over its future.
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Post by Blast Processor on Nov 16, 2019 22:11:26 GMT
Do sales numbers even matter all that much anymore for a live service game? Recurrent user spending is where its at. But yes, clearly Anthem was successful enough to warrant EA putting more money into it.
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Post by biggydx on Nov 16, 2019 22:21:07 GMT
To me, it sounds like a good portion of the Edmonton team, as well as Austin, are working to get the overhaul released for Anthem. Once the overhaul is released, Edmonton will likely hand over control of the game to Austin so that they can focus on fully developing DA4 (they already have a small team working on it). Casey Hudson also mentioned how, in his most recent blog, that the team is trying to recruit new people to shore up their numbers. My best guess is that Mass Effect will stay in the story-boarding/prototype phase from now until DA4 has released, and will then transition to pre-production during the first year or so after DA4 releases. Afterwards, they'll get most of Edmonton to shift from DA4 over to the next Mass Effect game. That is pretty much worst case scenario if Edmonton puts most of its staff for the next 4 or 5 years on Anthem doing the overhaul. That would make DA4 come out maybe in 2027? And, then what happens if the Anthem overhaul fails? There might not even be a DA4 or a Bioware. DA4 is slated for late 2022/early 2023. Most likely, the overhaul to Anthem will release next year or early 2021. Afterwards, the Edmonton team that helped with the overall would probably shift back to DA4. I can't see DA4 getting pushed back further than early 2023.
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