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Post by Addictress on Nov 19, 2019 9:59:02 GMT
A high dragon is probably larger and more powerful than a harvester, right?
It would be a tough fight but if you put the Blue Suns against the Flemeth Dragon, it wouldn't take long for the Blue Suns to win.
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Post by Serza on Nov 19, 2019 21:09:03 GMT
You're forgetting that you can whittle the dragon down with ARROWS (thank you, Sera!)
That means that the rounds are gonna go hot blade through butter. Also, fully automatic, with a high capacity mag, they're gonna pump dozens of "arrows" in the dragon. Except "arrows" will penetrate MUCH deeper than actual arrows.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 19, 2019 21:18:13 GMT
Mass Effect troops. Their armor is tough enough to survive most of the dragons physical attacks, and are designed to handle environments worse than any of the elemental attacks the dragon might use. Meanwhile their weapons would rip straight through the dragonβs hide. Not to mention their tech and biotic abilities.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 19, 2019 21:32:59 GMT
If Ryder+2 can take down an Architect, I think they could probably handle a Dragon.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 20, 2019 4:40:02 GMT
It's an interesting scenario. DA is so steeped in magic, exotic materials not found on Earth, superhuman races, etc. it's a really formidable combination.
Yeah, a decked out team in DA can take down a High Dragon. But any race that can gain levels - humans/elves/dwarves, quickly become superhuman by Earth's standards. Add to that magic weapons, armor, potions, exotic crafting materials, and fantastical abilities and yeah... I think that dragon can give even advanced civilizations fits. Dragons have a lot of AoE attacks, stun attacks, breath weapons with a slight homing ability, dragonlings to assist, high armor, guard generation, resistances, good mobility, some can create magical mines, etc.. It would boil down to how resilient dragon plate armor (which is harder than steel) is to futuristic weapons.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 20, 2019 8:32:41 GMT
So is this just a high dragon or Flemeth herself cause I'll take the old woman. She could just revert to human form and create a fire storm above their position.
Anyway if a high dragon is on par with a thresher maw then I like the dragon's chances...especially against some weak ass merc outfit like the Suns.
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Post by TabithaTH on Nov 20, 2019 10:06:50 GMT
Was I the only one who first read troops as tropes? Let's just say I expected a different conversation coming in here
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Post by Blaze on Nov 23, 2019 21:58:13 GMT
dragons? yeah, those will die fast. high dragons, however? well, are we talking regular troops? if we don't take shepard's squad into the picture let's consider this: harvesters and thresher maws have proven deadly against many troopers in mass effect. a high dragon will wreak more havoc than either of those (excluding kalros). so most troops will have a hard time and death against a high dragon but the more skilled and experienced ones can take out a high dragon. now, here something more interesting: a high dragon vs. an architect, who would win? probably an architect, but it will be an interesting fight.
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Post by biggydx on Nov 24, 2019 14:25:16 GMT
We're talking about the use of a futuristic army that uses firearms that can send rounds at small percentages of the speed of light. I highly doubt a dragon would survive such a scenario. There's already two magic equivalents in the Mass Effect universe (Engineers and Biotics). Need to make a Barrier to ward off elemental attacks? There's an ability for that. Need to use fire against an Ice Dragon? There's an ability for that too.
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Post by Fredward on Nov 25, 2019 6:10:05 GMT
Biotics v mages? :thisforumneedsathinkingfaceemoji:
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Post by Blaze on Nov 25, 2019 19:50:37 GMT
Biotics v mages? :thisforumneedsathinkingfaceemoji: mages. mages vs engineers though... not sure how the mages have a chance...
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Post by KrrKs on Nov 25, 2019 20:43:57 GMT
Biotics v mages? :thisforumneedsathinkingfaceemoji: mages. mages vs engineers though... not sure how the mages have a chance... I think mages vs. anything ME (or the other way around) really depends on whether magic penetrates barriers - and on whether Biotic/Tech/Bullets penetrate fade shields.
But a High Dragon? I guess a Dragon could kill Klixens, and probably the un-reaperized WormNecks. And also Human Husks.
Other than than such a beast wouldn't even stand a change against the Hammerhead, much less anything or anyone else.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 25, 2019 23:48:44 GMT
It depends on three things how many blue suns mercs there are,what weapons do they have,and finally if they don't panic. Remember seeing a dragon come at you would be scary and battles are rarely won when one side is wiped out but usually are won when one side breaks and retreats.
That said if it was more then two blue suns with assault rifles (or anything besides weak pistols and weak shotguns) and the two or more blue suns had decent aim and ammo I would put my money on them. Simply because one of a dragons biggest benefits is getting close to it is extremly dangerous since it is so big and swords and axes have a hard time going through scales or doing enough damage to be worth the risk of getting close to it and it takes an insane amount of arrows to matter and given how weak arrows are and how shallow they would go it would do less damage to a dragon then a scrape (outside gameplay where it slowly weakens the dragon over time by hitting it so much)
It's like having WW1 weapons against a B-29 super fortress. the B29 would have been untouchable at the altitude it flew but if you used it in modern warfare it would get destroyed with ease by even the most basic AA guns since it is so slow and has no tech in it like modern aircraft do. So while a dragon against midevil soldiers with mid evil weaponry would be devastating and all but unkillable in modern times or rather in future times it would get destroyed quick.
Good question though
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Post by Addictress on Nov 26, 2019 7:24:50 GMT
You're forgetting that you can whittle the dragon down with ARROWS (thank you, Sera!) That means that the rounds are gonna go hot blade through butter. Also, fully automatic, with a high capacity mag, they're gonna pump dozens of "arrows" in the dragon. Except "arrows" will penetrate MUCH deeper than actual arrows. Yup. Polonium rounds. Cryo rounds.
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Post by Addictress on Nov 26, 2019 7:26:46 GMT
Mass Effect troops. Their armor is tough enough to survive most of the dragons physical attacks, and are designed to handle environments worse than any of the elemental attacks the dragon might use. Meanwhile their weapons would rip straight through the dragonβs hide. Not to mention their tech and biotic abilities. But perhaps dragon armor is like a magically "shield-buffed" armor - even harder to penetrate than Atlas shield-buffed armor. Plus, Cerberus troops die from 2 hit of Incinerate. Dragon shoots plumes of violent incineration.
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Post by Addictress on Nov 26, 2019 7:27:57 GMT
Biotics v mages? :thisforumneedsathinkingfaceemoji: mages. mages vs engineers though... not sure how the mages have a chance... I think the mages and 22nd century engineers would be neck and neck. I always thought the Cerberus engineers pretty soft.
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Post by Addictress on Nov 26, 2019 7:30:50 GMT
dragons? yeah, those will die fast. high dragons, however? well, are we talking regular troops? if we don't take shepard's squad into the picture let's consider this: harvesters and thresher maws have proven deadly against many troopers in mass effect. a high dragon will wreak more havoc than either of those (excluding kalros). so most troops will have a hard time and death against a high dragon but the more skilled and experienced ones can take out a high dragon. now, here something more interesting: a high dragon vs. an architect, who would win? probably an architect, but it will be an interesting fight. Exactly. The harvester is essentially a high dragon. But not as revered and feared. A bit more like Nazgul fellbeasts. Architect? Like from Awakening? Meh.
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Post by Addictress on Nov 26, 2019 7:31:51 GMT
So is this just a high dragon or Flemeth herself cause I'll take the old woman. She could just revert to human form and create a fire storm above their position. Anyway if a high dragon is on par with a thresher maw then I like the dragon's chances...especially against some weak ass merc outfit like the Suns. Yes absolutely on par with a thresher maw!! That's exactly it. Weak merc thugs would be no match.
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Post by Blaze on Nov 27, 2019 10:15:14 GMT
dragons? yeah, those will die fast. high dragons, however? well, are we talking regular troops? if we don't take shepard's squad into the picture let's consider this: harvesters and thresher maws have proven deadly against many troopers in mass effect. a high dragon will wreak more havoc than either of those (excluding kalros). so most troops will have a hard time and death against a high dragon but the more skilled and experienced ones can take out a high dragon. now, here something more interesting: a high dragon vs. an architect, who would win? probably an architect, but it will be an interesting fight. Exactly. The harvester is essentially a high dragon. But not as revered and feared. A bit more like Nazgul fellbeasts. Architect? Like from Awakening? Meh. no. architect like the ones from andromeda, as in the link i provided...
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Post by ShadowAngel on Nov 27, 2019 12:18:16 GMT
Guns beat > mid-evil fantasy like
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Post by arvaarad on Nov 27, 2019 15:27:51 GMT
You're forgetting that you can whittle the dragon down with ARROWS (thank you, Sera!) Forget whittling, the fastest high dragon solos are with archers shooting from melee range; take the right build and the fight is over in a couple seconds. You can also take them down pretty fast with solo daggers. ME weapons would melt them.
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Post by Serza on Nov 27, 2019 22:28:23 GMT
You're forgetting that you can whittle the dragon down with ARROWS (thank you, Sera!) Forget whittling, the fastest high dragon solos are with archers shooting from melee range; take the right build and the fight is over in a couple seconds. You can also take them down pretty fast with solo daggers. ME weapons would melt them.
Oh, shit. Yeah. Sera is fucking overpowered with the right build and if you manage to pair her up with Cole and his abilities.
Literally Thousand Cuts coupled with Cole's special ability... What dragon.
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Post by arvaarad on Nov 27, 2019 22:55:56 GMT
Forget whittling, the fastest high dragon solos are with archers shooting from melee range; take the right build and the fight is over in a couple seconds. You can also take them down pretty fast with solo daggers. ME weapons would melt them.
Oh, shit. Yeah. Sera is fucking overpowered with the right build and if you manage to pair her up with Cole and his abilities.
Literally Thousand Cuts coupled with Cole's special ability... What dragon.
No need to team up if theyβve got fully-upgraded Mighty Offense Tonics. The math on those is insane for rogues. Pincushion, stealth, flanking, crits... everything they do is a multiplier, so the βmodestβ damage boosts of MOTs become monstrous.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 28, 2019 11:24:51 GMT
A high dragon is probably larger and more powerful than a harvester, right? It would be a tough fight but if you put the Blue Suns against the Flemeth Dragon, it wouldn't take long for the Blue Suns to win. Oh we already have all sorts of fun toys to kill Dragons in seconds.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 8, 2019 14:46:06 GMT
Oh we already have all sorts of fun toys to kill Dragons in seconds. Modern tech could take down any supernatural entity really.
Reminds me of the Cracked After Hours episode that brought up how Muggles could have easily defeated Voldemort;
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Michael: There are a bunch of us and we have helicarriers and assault rifles. We killed Hitler, Hussein and Houdini. Do you really think we couldn't nuke "Volterman" into next week? Katie: He has limitless dark power. Michael: That he has to aim through a wand. We can shoot people with a thousand rockets... from Space... with iPhones.
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