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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 5, 2019 10:32:49 GMT
So, earlier I was thinking about something that has always interested and somewhat confused me We know that each mage who enters the Circle has some blood taken which is then formed into a phylactery
With that in mind...are templars the only ones who can use it to track down mages, or can normal people use them as well? During Origins when playing the Magi origin, we learn that the phylactery of a magi Warden is send to Denerim for safekeeping. Later we learn that Loghain/Howe hired Zevran (the Crows) to kill the Wardens (our character and Alistair)
I always head canon that when playing Amell/Surana, that Zevran uses their phylactery to track them down. But…would he be able to use it like a templar would? Or does "tracking down mages with their phylactery" only apply to templars?
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 5, 2019 11:03:23 GMT
So, earlier I was thinking about something that has always interested and somewhat confused me We know that each mage who enters the Circle has some blood taken which is then formed into a phylactery
With that in mind...are templars the only ones who can use it to track down mages, or can normal people use them as well? During Origins when playing the Magi origin, we learn that the phylactery of a magi Warden is send to Denerim for safekeeping. Later we learn that Loghain/Howe hired Zevran (the Crows) to kill the Wardens (our character and Alistair)
I always head canon that when playing Amell/Surana, that Zevran uses their phylactery to track them down. But…would he be able to use it like a templar would? Or does "tracking down mages with their phylactery" only apply to templars?
Why would anyone get access to the phylacteries? It's a circle thing with strictly limited access.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 5, 2019 11:43:14 GMT
Why would anyone get access to the phylacteries? It's a circle thing with strictly limited access. That's what I'm wondering
I've seen fanart and comics with Zevran using the Warden's phylactery to track them down during the Blight as ordered by Howe/Loghain
much like the Wardens Archdemon blood supply being kept in Denerim (which Loghain later either confiscates or destroys as said by Riordan),
I always imagined the mage phylacteries also being housed somewhere in Denerim.
Provided the Warden meets Loghain at Ostagar (which you can do before the Joining), he states that he knows you're from the Circle he even makes a comment about it when you meet him again during the Landsmeet portion in Eamon's estate
what's stopping the Regent from giving authority to someone to grab a certain phylactery? After all he also (illegally) takes away Jowan from the Templars I personally wouldn't put it past him to use any and all resources at his disposal to get rid of the Warden and Alistair and imo. that'd include giving a phylactery to track down a mage Warden.
but again, I wonder if Zevran would even be able to use it if he had access to such a thing it's more of a hypothetical question then anything else to be honest
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 5, 2019 11:51:06 GMT
I imagine it's like the records of the HR department. Outsiders don't get access, unless it's the law knocking in the door or criminal activity.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 5, 2019 12:04:47 GMT
Why would anyone get access to the phylacteries? It's a circle thing with strictly limited access. That's what I'm wondering I've seen fanart and comics with Zevran using the Warden's phylactery to track them down during the Blight as ordered by Howe/Loghain
much like the Wardens Archdemon blood supply being kept in Denerim (which Loghain later either confiscates or destroys as said by Riordan),
I always imagined the mage phylacteries also being housed somewhere in Denerim. Provided the Warden meets Loghain at Ostagar (which you can do before the Joining), he states that he knows you're from the Circle
he even makes a comment about it when you meet him again during the Landsmeet portion in Eamon's estate what's stopping the Regent from giving authority to someone to grab a certain phylactery? After all he also (illegally) takes away Jowan from the Templars I personally wouldn't put it past him to use any and all resources at his disposal to get rid of the Warden and Alistair and imo. that'd include giving a phylactery to track down a mage Warden. but again, I wonder if Zevran would even be able to use it if he had access to such a thing it's more of a hypothetical question then anything else to be honest Why wouldn't able anyone to use that? Only needs someone, who teach using. It's a track magic, like Gascard used to find Quentin, the difference it: the phylactery is prepared by mages to use non-mages. I don't think, Zevran wouldn't find a mage or an ex-templar among the Crows, mercenaries, who knows the method. The question, how he has his lover's phylactery?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 5, 2019 12:22:51 GMT
Why wouldn't able anyone to use that? Only needs someone, who teach using. It's a track magic, like Gascard used to find Quentin, the difference it: the phylactery is prepared by mages to use non-mages. I don't think, Zevran wouldn't find a mage or an ex-templar among the Crows, mercenaries, who knows the method. The question, how he has his lover's phylactery? oh wait...he does have a mage with him when he encounters the Warden's party doesn't he? I suppose that could work, with her unlocking the Warden's phylactery in some way to help track them down
in that same vein...either the phylactery is destroyed during Zev's fight with the Warden's party, or he hands it to them later and allows them to do with it whatever they wish a morally good Warden (or loyalist Warden) would likely keep it safe and hand it over to Irving/Greagoir or whoever has the authority when encountered, or they'd pull a Jowan and destroy it, whichever works
in Awakening during Anders' quest you can ask him if he knows if their (the Warden's) phylactery is among the ones that Namaya found for Anders to which he states he doesn't know, but urges the Warden to destroy it if they should happen upon it
Then again, giving the events of Inquisition, I imagine most (if not all) phylacteries were destroyed by escaping mages or looters.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 5, 2019 13:31:31 GMT
Why wouldn't able anyone to use that? Only needs someone, who teach using. It's a track magic, like Gascard used to find Quentin, the difference it: the phylactery is prepared by mages to use non-mages. I don't think, Zevran wouldn't find a mage or an ex-templar among the Crows, mercenaries, who knows the method. The question, how he has his lover's phylactery? oh wait...he does have a mage with him when he encounters the Warden's party doesn't he? I suppose that could work, with her unlocking the Warden's phylactery in some way to help track them down in that same vein...either the phylactery is destroyed during Zev's fight with the Warden's party, or he hands it to them later and allows them to do with it whatever they wish a morally good Warden (or loyalist Warden) would likely keep it safe and hand it over to Irving/Greagoir or whoever has the authority when encountered, or they'd pull a Jowan and destroy it, whichever works
in Awakening during Anders' quest you can ask him if he knows if their (the Warden's) phylactery is among the ones that Namaya found for Anders to which he states he doesn't know, but urges the Warden to destroy it if they should happen upon it Then again, giving the events of Inquisition, I imagine most (if not all) phylacteries were destroyed by escaping mages or looters. Do you think, the Warden's phylactery was among the stuff in the warehouse? That's not totally excluded, but there's just a little chance for it, Anders also doesn't know about it. AND: true, the phylacteries were in this warehouse before, but already not here. It was Rylock's trap, for Anders. As I remember, they didn't find Anders' phylactery here. So: the Warden doesn't have his/her phylactery according to the game, but you can find a way in a story, when the Warden/Zevran finds it. The story idea is good, I think, only has some complication, but not with the tracking, I suppose. It easy to explain, how Zevran is able. He even just can realize, the phylactery changed, and he can figure, it's because of the Warden is near. I'm sure, during the war, the mages destroyed their phylactery if they were able to find it, or someone of them brought with him/her. Just remember to Wynne: she destroyed the White Spire's phylactery chamber with Shale. In my eyes, a morally good Warden also would destroy perhaps all phylacteries in Denerim, not just his/her own... (I was very disappointed, I didn't get a quest for it, I waited in my first PT, I thought I missed something, because I thought, no way that it's not a part of the game.) The morally good not means necessarily lawful or loyal to the government, sometimes it's the opposite. A loyalist perhaps, would give it to the First Enchanter/a Templar, but a warden, doesn't have even reason to do it, and doesn't break the law: whatever how loyalist was before, doesn't have valid reason to do it. S/He doesn't belong to the Circle anymore). I can't imagine someone who would do such a thing – if not from some habit of fear. But it just me. The Circle had no right over the Wardens, Anders just didn't believe, he free – also he has some reasons (supposed and real reasons) to find his phylactery, I suppose symbolic to him, also, he knows, the Templars hunt for him, and I'm sure, he thinks, they would hunt him down even among the Wardens. I don't think, he believes, they will not to break the law. I don't think, he trusts in anything and anyone. (His suspicion is proved, no matter, he's already a Warden, Rylock still hunts for him.)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 5, 2019 14:25:22 GMT
Do you think, the Warden's phylactery was among the stuff in the warehouse? That's not totally excluded, but there's just a little chance for it, Anders also doesn't know about it. AND: true, the phylacteries were in this warehouse before, but already not here. It was Rylock's trap, for Anders. As I remember, they didn't find Anders' phylactery here. So: the Warden doesn't have his/her phylactery according to the game, but you can find a way in a story, when the Warden/Zevran finds it. The story idea is good, I think, only has some complication, but not with the tracking, I suppose. It easy to explain, how Zevran is able. He even just can realize, the phylactery changed, and he can figure, it's because of the Warden is near. I'm sure, during the war, the mages destroyed their phylactery if they were able to find it, or someone of them brought with him/her. Just remember to Wynne: she destroyed the White Spire's phylactery chamber with Shale. In my eyes, a morally good Warden also would destroy perhaps all phylacteries in Denerim, not just his/her own... (I was very disappointed, I didn't get a quest for it, I waited in my first PT, I thought I missed something, because I thought, no way that it's not a part of the game.) The morally good not means necessarily lawful or loyal to the government, sometimes it's the opposite. A loyalist perhaps, would give it to the First Enchanter/a Templar, but a warden, doesn't have even reason to do it, and doesn't break the law: whatever how loyalist was before, doesn't have valid reason to do it. S/He doesn't belong to the Circle anymore). I can't imagine someone who would do such a thing – if not from some habit of fear. But it just me. The Circle had no right over the Wardens, Anders just didn't believe, he free – also he has some reasons (supposed and real reasons) to find his phylactery, I suppose symbolic to him, also, he knows, the Templars hunt for him, and I'm sure, he thinks, they would hunt him down even among the Wardens. I don't think, he believes, they will not to break the law. I don't think, he trusts in anything and anyone. (His suspicion is proved, no matter, he's already a Warden, Rylock still hunts for him.) What I find interesting about Rylock, is that she's willing to kill the Hero of Ferelden (who's potentially a friend/lover/wife or husband of Ferelden's monarch and a celebrated hero) just to get to Anders, it just shows how overzealous she is about her job and yes, her being there was a trap...Anders wonders afterwards if Namaya knew about the trap, which is left ambiguous Rylock herself says the cache of phylacteries was in fact in Amaranthine, but they had it moved after finding out about Anders' interest in it. where they're moved afterwards is never stated, perhaps they were moved back to Denerim?
according to the wikia, mages who join the Wardens are technically no longer part of the Circle, but the templars might still hold onto their phylacteries for "collateral", which is what they did to Anders due to his past of numerous escape attempts.
and I admit I'm also curious why it wasn't addressed in Inquisition what happened to the phylacteries of Circle mages.
Particularly a mage Trevelyan should've had either a line or quest about theirs. (would've been a nice alternative to the otherwise boring Trevelyan war table missions)
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