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Post by Phantom on Jan 1, 2020 23:30:38 GMT
it is just laziness, Cyberstrike.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 2, 2020 7:42:39 GMT
I wouldnt put it to laziness, I would guess they tried to fit it.. but theres a thing called diminishing returns. I also guess they had other more stand out problems to fix (or try, like the awful combat-got-stuck-to-geometry and other thingies to make it somehow playable ) - but we can only guess
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Post by Sondergaard on Jan 2, 2020 9:10:58 GMT
Once EA recognise there is money to be made in this manor they will give Bioware the freedom and budget to make an amazing Mass Effect game. They did that already and we got Andromeda. No faith left in BW but I wait to be proved wrong.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 2, 2020 10:03:44 GMT
I've never understood how the "laziness" argument works. The animators are supposed to be -- showing up but playing Fortnite instead of working? Leaving for beers at 4 PM? What's the hypothesis?
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 2, 2020 13:30:48 GMT
Once EA recognise there is money to be made in this manor they will give Bioware the freedom and budget to make an amazing Mass Effect game. They did that already and we got Andromeda. No faith left in BW but I wait to be proved wrong. Being honest they didn't give BioWare that great of a budget for Andromeda. It might seem like a big number, but at best it was average in the space of game development so expecting an average game would be what you expect.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 2, 2020 19:54:06 GMT
I've never understood how the "laziness" argument works. The animators are supposed to be -- showing up but playing Fortnite instead of working? Leaving for beers at 4 PM? What's the hypothesis? Maybe "low priority" sounds nicer than "laziness"..? Anyway, my hypothesis goes like this: "You need how much time to animate that combat cutscene??" "Well, Shepard could be armed with an assault rifle or a shotgun or a submachinegun or just a pistol, and that would require different anim..." "Stick an Avenger on him." "...or he could be a biotic..." "Stick an Avenger on him."
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 2, 2020 21:20:32 GMT
I've never understood how the "laziness" argument works. The animators are supposed to be -- showing up but playing Fortnite instead of working? Leaving for beers at 4 PM? What's the hypothesis? Maybe "low priority" sounds nicer than "laziness"..? Anyway, my hypothesis goes like this: "You need how much time to animate that combat cutscene??" "Well, Shepard could be armed with an assault rifle or a shotgun or a submachinegun or just a pistol, and that would require different anim..." "Stick an Avenger on him." "...or he could be a biotic..." "Stick an Avenger on him." From what I have read from different interviews with different developers you are mostly correct with it being a low priority, but there is a little more to it. It would be more Developer "like what should we do with the time we have allocated?" Lead "we can have this character romance or animate this scene for biotics instead of a weapon if the character is a biotic" Developer "more people will notice the romance, so we should do that" Lead "agreed" Its about doing what you can fit within the budget and what it seems people want the most. I personally have seen more people upset that romances are completely equal then I have over the years with not having an accurate combat cinematic. Edit: It could be the reverse as well, when they planned on having both of those things in the game, but they have to decide one to cut because another one of the higher priority animations required more time then expected and allotted.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 5, 2020 0:49:00 GMT
I've never understood how the "laziness" argument works. The animators are supposed to be -- showing up but playing Fortnite instead of working? Leaving for beers at 4 PM? What's the hypothesis? Maybe its my years of government work clouding my judgement but, people are lazy. Though social media seems to be the big drain from what I see.
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Post by michaeln7 on Jan 5, 2020 0:50:26 GMT
I've never understood how the "laziness" argument works. The animators are supposed to be -- showing up but playing Fortnite instead of working? Leaving for beers at 4 PM? What's the hypothesis? Maybe "low priority" sounds nicer than "laziness"..? Anyway, my hypothesis goes like this: "You need how much time to animate that combat cutscene??" "Well, Shepard could be armed with an assault rifle or a shotgun or a submachinegun or just a pistol, and that would require different anim..." "Stick an Avenger on him." "...or he could be a biotic..." "Stick an Avenger on him." That response can fit with anything! "So the scene takes place in Arizona..." "Stick an Avenger on him." "So the evil wizard is planning his next move..." "Stick an Avenger on him." "So this is a high fantasy setting where firearms haven't been invented yet..." "Stick an Avenger on him." "This is a walking simulator..." "Stick an Avenger on him."
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 5, 2020 3:15:40 GMT
I've never understood how the "laziness" argument works. The animators are supposed to be -- showing up but playing Fortnite instead of working? Leaving for beers at 4 PM? What's the hypothesis? Maybe its my years of government work clouding my judgement but, people are lazy. Though social media seems to be the big drain from what I see. I have worked both in the private sector and the government and what I have noticed people can get away with a lot more in the government positions then private sector. Probably because there isn't a union to protect them when caught watching porn at their desk. The other thing unions can do is divide jobs up so much that you are so specialized in what you are doing that you are not allowed to really go beyond your specific job because then you are impacting another person and their job. I worked with someone that was stuck in their job because of the union ranked it and they no longer had the educational requirements to fulfill the position, but since they were in the position before those requirements they could stay. I have seen all of that in a Government position.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 6, 2020 15:24:28 GMT
I've never understood how the "laziness" argument works. The animators are supposed to be -- showing up but playing Fortnite instead of working? Leaving for beers at 4 PM? What's the hypothesis?
It's more of laziness of management by not challenging the devs/animators/programmers/writers/etc when they say "it can't be done or we don't have the money/resources/etc" to find solutions and workarounds for their problems.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 6, 2020 15:33:53 GMT
Didn't they source out animation to Romanian studio or so with MEA? They barely had any in-house and when the bell tolled there simply wasn't enough time to fix the outsourced stuff.
Is what I heard.
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Post by link2twenty on Jan 6, 2020 23:02:45 GMT
Didn't they source out animation to Romanian studio or so with MEA? They barely had any in-house and when the bell tolled there simply wasn't enough time to fix the outsourced stuff. Is what I heard. That was fake news lots of people circulated it though.
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Post by Vox on Jan 8, 2020 22:11:15 GMT
I see it as possibly bad too. Spider-Man PS4 is bad in the sense that it proves to Sony that contracting a license to MCU characters pays off better than creating icons for video games. Star Wars getting good rep might also cause EA to believe the future lies in license deals and outphasing of "toxic franchises" like Mass Effect. Although, ironic because Star Wars got its "ME3 ending" level of toxic fandom too, now. All it took was the golden age of social media and an increasingly corporate leadership to a franchise. It's funny how similar the two fallouts are. Mass Effect and Star Wars have lots in common. After the abysmal ending of ME3 I often thought about those two franchises. And often compared ME2 to Empire strikes back. But not in a positive way - ME2 did everything wrong, ESB almost everything well. And "Return", while counted as the weakest - still got people cheer for the heroes in the end, see the absolutely overpowered Empire be defeated by a rag tag bunch of rebels. They did what Shepard also should have done - WIN! Bittersweet, or whatever. But surely not what Hudson and co tried to do...
And looking at Star Wars now ... well, Ilike the sequels. Though mostly the great new characters the movies introduced. Rey, Kylo, Finn, Poe - they are all great additions to the franchise. But ... it became clear the sequels suffered the same problem as the ME-trilogy. Lack of coherence. ME 2 has no place in continuing ME1. People love ME2, maybe call it the best. To me it is the key why the trilogy failed. It did not really continue the first game's story, but went off the rails with way too many new characters, a pointless plot, and story elements leading nowehere when Part 3 finally comes around...much like The Last Jedi is a great movie - but to me, a bad second part of a trilogy. And Rise of SKywalker...well, at least again, unlike ME3, we get a somewhat triumphant yet bittersweet ending ... the only thing that really made me feel okay after watchign the rush-job that is Rise of Skywalker. Rushed just like ME3 ...
Now Fallen Order ... to me I suspect EA, and maybe even Disney, really did not want that game to fail, or at the very least, even if sales would have been dissapointing, it was doomed to at least not create another Star-Wars-Battlefront-Reddit-Massacre.
While Disney probably does not earn as much by the SW-Games as with movies and D+, they cannot have any interest in Games branded with Star Wars getting ridiculed, memed, trashed online. SW has enough to battle against its own fans for decades now, and social media indeed increased all that nonsense even more.
So ... I am not really sure if the success of Fallen Order can revitalize the ME-Brand.
But I can see a market, a demand for Mass Effect. Single Player Games might not be the cash-cow like multiplayer-games are. But they can massively increase reputation, goodwill, and good press - if EA cares about such things, they might consider it.
Also - Mass Effect is still a known IP. And just as the Star Wars Prequels backlash slowly faded away and got replaced by the desire for more Star Wars....well, maybe a "Mass Effect Awakens" could be a good idea...
The problem is of course...how? Prequels of ME? Always hated that idea. Mostly because every PRequel will take place in the same universe and timeline where Starchild appears eventually...
Just move on with one of the endings? Probably the only way...I take the red one please...or just pretend ME 2 and 3 never happened, re-imagine ME1 and start anew, with a better plan for the story this time. Battlestar Galactica did it (too bad I never liked that show later....hmm)
Or have Ryder find the Kett-Empire, use an ancient time/space-travel-device, return to Eden when Shepard first visits, and have both team up to prevent the whole ME3-debacle from happening. I am only half kidding here...
Writing all that depressed me a little though...now my last Mass Effect vision is an announcement by EA, that they are super excited to bring the "Mass Effect Experience" to everyone .... on their phones...ugh...
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 10, 2020 19:39:38 GMT
Jesus Christ if EA were to announce an ME mobile game, a la Blizzard's Diablo fiasco.
"Don't you have phones?"
"Oh fuck off."
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 10, 2020 19:40:47 GMT
Jesus Christ if EA were to announce an ME mobile game, a la Blizzard's Diablo fiasco. "Don't you have phones?" "Oh fuck off." They would just announce it, they wouldn't do it in the middle of a con and then wouldn't care. Besides I remember the Dragon Age Facebook game isn't that just as bad as a mobile game?
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 10, 2020 20:15:01 GMT
Jesus Christ if EA were to announce an ME mobile game, a la Blizzard's Diablo fiasco. "Don't you have phones?" "Oh fuck off." They would just announce it, they wouldn't do it in the middle of a con and then wouldn't care. Besides I remember the Dragon Age Facebook game isn't that just as bad as a mobile game? This is true, and in fairness, there's a way this can work, but *requires* the condition of being a bit of a hype catalyst for the return of the flagship product. Dragon Age Legends came not long before DA2, so there was the prospect of another full game on the very near horizon. If a Mass Effect mobile game came out, but the return of the proper game was left up in the air, it only gets worse for every moment EA/BioWare leaves us in the dark. That's what was nice about Fallout Shelter. By itself, it's nothing, but as a companion product, it's a good offering.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 10, 2020 20:41:18 GMT
They would just announce it, they wouldn't do it in the middle of a con and then wouldn't care. Besides I remember the Dragon Age Facebook game isn't that just as bad as a mobile game? This is true, and in fairness, there's a way this can work, but *requires* the condition of being a bit of a hype catalyst for the return of the flagship product. Dragon Age Legends came not long before DA2, so there was the prospect of another full game on the very near horizon. If a Mass Effect mobile game came out, but the return of the proper game was left up in the air, it only gets worse for every moment EA/BioWare leaves us in the dark. That's what was nice about Fallout Shelter. By itself, it's nothing, but as a companion product, it's a good offering. I really don't see it being any different then you describe for its pretty much marketing for the main game. I think it would be kinda like how the new Dragon Age is being handled they have some announcement that they are working on a new primary entry and then after that announcement, but before anything major there would be a mobile game announced. I just remember they released Heroes of Dragon Age about a year before Dragon Age: Inquisition as well. Blizzard bungled the announcement of their mobile game because it was developers that were talking to the people that were upset and not people that have PR training handling it. Its why it became the mess it did for at that time it was announced Blizzard was working on another Diablo product just with very little details and it was announced they were working on multiple Diablo products. It was the messaging at the time that was the problem.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 12, 2020 0:02:52 GMT
I see it as possibly bad too. Spider-Man PS4 is bad in the sense that it proves to Sony that contracting a license to MCU characters pays off better than creating icons for video games. Star Wars getting good rep might also cause EA to believe the future lies in license deals and outphasing of "toxic franchises" like Mass Effect. Although, ironic because Star Wars got its "ME3 ending" level of toxic fandom too, now. All it took was the golden age of social media and an increasingly corporate leadership to a franchise. It's funny how similar the two fallouts are. Mass Effect and Star Wars have lots in common. After the abysmal ending of ME3 I often thought about those two franchises. And often compared ME2 to Empire strikes back. But not in a positive way - ME2 did everything wrong, ESB almost everything well. And "Return", while counted as the weakest - still got people cheer for the heroes in the end, see the absolutely overpowered Empire be defeated by a rag tag bunch of rebels. They did what Shepard also should have done - WIN! Bittersweet, or whatever. But surely not what Hudson and co tried to do...
And looking at Star Wars now ... well, Ilike the sequels. Though mostly the great new characters the movies introduced. Rey, Kylo, Finn, Poe - they are all great additions to the franchise. But ... it became clear the sequels suffered the same problem as the ME-trilogy. Lack of coherence. ME 2 has no place in continuing ME1. People love ME2, maybe call it the best. To me it is the key why the trilogy failed. It did not really continue the first game's story, but went off the rails with way too many new characters, a pointless plot, and story elements leading nowehere when Part 3 finally comes around...much like The Last Jedi is a great movie - but to me, a bad second part of a trilogy. And Rise of SKywalker...well, at least again, unlike ME3, we get a somewhat triumphant yet bittersweet ending ... the only thing that really made me feel okay after watchign the rush-job that is Rise of Skywalker. Rushed just like ME3 ...
Now Fallen Order ... to me I suspect EA, and maybe even Disney, really did not want that game to fail, or at the very least, even if sales would have been dissapointing, it was doomed to at least not create another Star-Wars-Battlefront-Reddit-Massacre.
While Disney probably does not earn as much by the SW-Games as with movies and D+, they cannot have any interest in Games branded with Star Wars getting ridiculed, memed, trashed online. SW has enough to battle against its own fans for decades now, and social media indeed increased all that nonsense even more.
So ... I am not really sure if the success of Fallen Order can revitalize the ME-Brand.
But I can see a market, a demand for Mass Effect. Single Player Games might not be the cash-cow like multiplayer-games are. But they can massively increase reputation, goodwill, and good press - if EA cares about such things, they might consider it.
Also - Mass Effect is still a known IP. And just as the Star Wars Prequels backlash slowly faded away and got replaced by the desire for more Star Wars....well, maybe a "Mass Effect Awakens" could be a good idea...
The problem is of course...how? Prequels of ME? Always hated that idea. Mostly because every PRequel will take place in the same universe and timeline where Starchild appears eventually...
Just move on with one of the endings? Probably the only way...I take the red one please...or just pretend ME 2 and 3 never happened, re-imagine ME1 and start anew, with a better plan for the story this time. Battlestar Galactica did it (too bad I never liked that show later....hmm)
Or have Ryder find the Kett-Empire, use an ancient time/space-travel-device, return to Eden when Shepard first visits, and have both team up to prevent the whole ME3-debacle from happening. I am only half kidding here...
Writing all that depressed me a little though...now my last Mass Effect vision is an announcement by EA, that they are super excited to bring the "Mass Effect Experience" to everyone .... on their phones...ugh...
A few things: Disney has already stated that happy with EA's handling of Star Wars video games even after the clusterfuck that was Battlefront II with the loot box and MTAs. They really don't consider video games as big part of the Star Wars franchise as fans do. They also don't care about the quality of the games that EA and it's studios produce because Disney themselves have tried to make video games and they realized that sucked at it and as long the games don't hurt the Star Wars brand they don't give a shit if their considered classics or crap by fans and video games critics. Basically as long as EA avoids another clusterfuck like Battlefront II loot boxes and MTAs they quite happy to EA and their studios like BioWare, Respawn, and DICE make Star Wars video games.
Now to Mass Effect and Dragon Age I think that part of their problem is that both BioWare and fans are thinking in terms of epic movie style stories when maybe they should be thinking epic TV shows instead, this is more true with Dragon Age since DA2 felt like a 5 season TV show that got cancelled after season 3 but was able to get to 2 TV movies made (the DLCs Mark of the Assassin and Legacy). DAI also feels like that with season ending with the PC becoming the Inquistor and discovery of Skyhold and with season 2 rebuilding the Inquisition and Skyhold taking the various romances from flirting to casual sex and/or full romances, dealing with Sampson or Calpernia and so on. The second season ends with the Inquisition defeating the Grey Wardens and season 3 deals with Orlasian Civil War and the final battle. Again the DLCs act like TV movies with Jaws of Hakkon and The Decent being just adventure side stories and Trespasser being the reunion movie that ties up any and all major plot threads and sets up the next series.
ME2 felt like a series of episodes with a VERY THIN plot line that barely connects them.
ME3 and MEA both felt like they couldn't make up their minds on whether if they were epic movies or epic TV shows.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 12, 2020 3:45:51 GMT
A few things: Disney has already stated that happy with EA's handling of Star Wars video games even after the clusterfuck that was Battlefront II with the loot box and MTAs. They really don't consider video games as big part of the Star Wars franchise as fans do. They also don't care about the quality of the games that EA and it's studios produce because Disney themselves have tried to make video games and they realized that sucked at it and as long the games don't hurt the Star Wars brand they don't give a shit if their considered classics or crap by fans and video games critics. Basically as long as EA avoids another clusterfuck like Battlefront II loot boxes and MTAs they quite happy to EA and their studios like BioWare, Respawn, and DICE make Star Wars video games. Now to Mass Effect and Dragon Age I think that part of their problem is that both BioWare and fans are thinking in terms of epic movie style stories when maybe they should be thinking epic TV shows instead, this is more true with Dragon Age since DA2 felt like a 5 season TV show that got cancelled after season 3 but was able to get to 2 TV movies made (the DLCs Mark of the Assassin and Legacy). DAI also feels like that with season ending with the PC becoming the Inquistor and discovery of Skyhold and with season 2 rebuilding the Inquisition and Skyhold taking the various romances from flirting to casual sex and/or full romances, dealing with Sampson or Calpernia and so on. The second season ends with the Inquisition defeating the Grey Wardens and season 3 deals with Orlasian Civil War and the final battle. Again the DLCs act like TV movies with Jaws of Hakkon and The Decent being just adventure side stories and Trespasser being the reunion movie that ties up any and all major plot threads and sets up the next series. ME2 felt like a series of episodes with a VERY THIN plot line that barely connects them.
ME3 and MEA both felt like they couldn't make up their minds on whether if they were epic movies or epic TV shows.
I am not even sure the backlash that was online even really hit Disney's radar. Its all about the figure EA sends them from game sales and other associated profits. EA has stated they have sold over 33 million combined copies of the two Battlefront games and they are still releasing additional content for Battlefront 2 so people are still putting money into the game. Even though the online community has claimed a victory I just don't see it at all. Even if EA does something that causes a blacklash against the specific game, if the game still makes money Disney is going to be happy. The other thing is the way Disney takes care of their IP licensing for Star Wars games I don't see a lot of different options for them to go to for I doubt they are going to take the time to license it out game by game. So it would need to be a publisher that would have a big upfront payout for them and can afford the 20% (or even higher) cut of every game sale. I went back to Andromeda and I noticed that after I stopped playing EA added a few MP MTX starter packs so that would have been two to three months after official support ended for the game so they will follow what people are paying for and not worrying about what people online claim they will or won't pay for they cannot even tell if those people would ever buy their games. The problem I see with the direction BioWare takes their games is they are trying to give everyone what they want. Its why they have so many different romance options or why they space things out the way they do for they are trying to cram everything plus the entire catalog of kitchen sinks.
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Post by skekSil on Jan 12, 2020 18:44:56 GMT
Jesus Christ if EA were to announce an ME mobile game, a la Blizzard's Diablo fiasco. "Don't you have phones?" "Oh fuck off." Good news! They already did two of those: Mass Effect Galaxy and Mass Effect Infiltrator.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 12, 2020 20:21:26 GMT
Jesus Christ if EA were to announce an ME mobile game, a la Blizzard's Diablo fiasco. "Don't you have phones?" "Oh fuck off." Good news! They already did two of those: Mass Effect Galaxy and Mass Effect Infiltrator. I forgot about those, didn't the one released around the time of Mass Effect 3 also impact the EMS score as well?
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Post by skekSil on Jan 12, 2020 20:27:19 GMT
I forgot about those, didn't the one released around the time of Mass Effect 3 also impact the EMS score as well? Yup. ME Infiltrator did that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 27, 2020 2:55:55 GMT
I'm already unhappy with DA4 being...whatever it is, whatever Anthem was. If Fallen Order is a success in the sci-fi realm then, yeah, I could have some hope that ME5 would be a regular SP game with option for MP like ME3 and MEA. I guess we'd have to lobby for it but that would require a massive undertaking to reach a big chunk of the potential audience.
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