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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 12, 2019 18:49:27 GMT
Does Thedas have mixed races like and elf and human and produce a half-elf, half-human child? Dungeons and Dragons had half-elves and some unnatural half breeds.
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Post by sageoflife on Dec 12, 2019 19:10:44 GMT
Human-elf couplings produce human children. It's not entirely clear why, possibly something to do with the Veil. These are called elf-blooded humans.
Human-dwarf and elf-dwarf couplings produce half-dwarves. This is extremely rare and it is not clear if half-dwarves can reproduce.
Nothing is known about qunari hybrids. At the very least the Tammasrans don't like it when qunari have sex with other races.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 12, 2019 19:11:57 GMT
I doubt we'll ever meet a real hybrid. Just people with mixed blood.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 12, 2019 20:39:25 GMT
I doubt we'll ever meet a real hybrid. Just people with mixed blood. In a sense w ehave in Feynriel as he had a human fathr but an elven mother.
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Post by sageoflife on Dec 12, 2019 21:27:24 GMT
I doubt we'll ever meet a real hybrid. Just people with mixed blood. In a sense w ehave in Feynriel as he had a human fathr but an elven mother. Same with Alistair and Michele.
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Post by Sokemis on Dec 12, 2019 22:50:27 GMT
Does Thedas have mixed races like and elf and human and produce a half-elf, half-human child? Dungeons and Dragons had half-elves and some unnatural half breeds. In a sense w ehave in Feynriel as he had a human fathr but an elven mother. As sageoflife said, human/elf babies are considered human physically, and someone couldn't tell they are elf-blooded just by looking at them. However, even though one of the developers/writers eventually said that Feynriel's appearance was an error (maybe chalk it up to the "unreliable narrator" aspect of the game?), I still like the idea of at least some elf-blooded children showing their elven heritage physically in some way. Maybe more petite than their full-human relatives or slightly longer/more tapered ears. It might not be "official canon", but I'm keeping it as part of my personal headcanon.
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Post by sageoflife on Dec 13, 2019 2:33:14 GMT
Maybe Feynriel had a few elven ancestors on his father's side, and that gave him a few more elven features than normal.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 13, 2019 5:15:00 GMT
Feynriel, I would cough it up as a rare genetic mutation. Its something that would happen naturally. Fantasy worlds can follow the real world, it gives it more realism.
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Post by Dukemon on Dec 13, 2019 10:18:57 GMT
That is only a Retcon grow out the stupid howling from some individuals that wanted to have right. In this case that Fiona is Alistair's mother - no matter it collides with the Informations from DAO. Shortly after Release of The Calling Gaider even pointed out that this Child in the book is not Alistair at this time that changed closly after DA2. Actually Alistair was a 30 year old Virgin, was retconed because a few loud howling individuals could not live with a 30-year-old Virgin as friend. I guess Gaider only was pissed of the fact that the two remaining DLCs and the big AddOn Story for Hawke was cancled by EA because of the howling Fans.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 14, 2019 23:25:55 GMT
Those damn howling fans. What do they know?
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Post by Blaze on Dec 15, 2019 6:17:15 GMT
Maybe Feynriel had a few elven ancestors on his father's side, and that gave him a few more elven features than normal. or he's just a skinny human? honestly, nothing about him seemed elven to me.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 15, 2019 6:21:14 GMT
That is only a Retcon grow out the stupid howling from some individuals that wanted to have right. In this case that Fiona is Alistair's mother - no matter it collides with the Informations from DAO. Shortly after Release of The Calling Gaider even pointed out that this Child in the book is not Alistair at this time that changed closly after DA2. Actually Alistair was a 30 year old Virgin, was retconed because a few loud howling individuals could not live with a 30-year-old Virgin as friend. I guess Gaider only was pissed of the fact that the two remaining DLCs and the big AddOn Story for Hawke was cancled by EA because of the howling Fans. the hell are you talking about? alistair was said to be 20 years old in origins, even before the calling was published. and when did gaider said that fionna and maric's child is not alistair?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 18, 2019 3:11:10 GMT
That is only a Retcon grow out the stupid howling from some individuals that wanted to have right. In this case that Fiona is Alistair's mother - no matter it collides with the Informations from DAO. Shortly after Release of The Calling Gaider even pointed out that this Child in the book is not Alistair at this time that changed closly after DA2. Actually Alistair was a 30 year old Virgin, was retconed because a few loud howling individuals could not live with a 30-year-old Virgin as friend. I guess Gaider only was pissed of the fact that the two remaining DLCs and the big AddOn Story for Hawke was cancled by EA because of the howling Fans. the hell are you talking about? alistair was said to be 20 years old in origins, even before the calling was published. and when did gaider said that fionna and maric's child is not alistair? As far as I'm aware, Gaider has always said that the baby in The Calling is Alistair. I recall him being kind of annoyed that fans found it ambiguous and kept arguing about it, in fact. (I could be misremembering that, however. It was on his Tumblr which is now gone.)
Now, it is true that this doesn't make a whole lot of sense with some things from Origins. What is Goldanna's whole deal? She seems to sincerely believe that Marric got her mother pregnant. And why does Loghain think that Marric refused to acknowledge Alistair because it would have humiliated Rowan, when Rowan was already dead by the time Alistair was born? (I mean, maybe Loghain is confused about Alistair's age and imagining Marric's reasons because he doesn't know Alistair's mother was an Orlesian Grey Warden elf mage, i.e. someone the King of Ferelden should definitely not have been knocking up. It's still some pretty weird dialogue, since it implies that Marric actually talked to Loghain about this.)
I have always put this down to Gaider writing The Calling after a lot of Origins was already locked down, leading to some mismatch between the two. But it seems like BioWare's intention was always that Marric had two sons, not three.
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Post by Sokemis on Dec 18, 2019 4:25:24 GMT
What is Goldanna's whole deal? She seems to sincerely believe that Marric got her mother pregnant. And why does Loghain think that Marric refused to acknowledge Alistair because it would have humiliated Rowan, when Rowan was already dead by the time Alistair was born? My guess is that there was a servant (Goldanna's mother) that went into labor around the time Alistair was brought to Eamon. (Never read The Calling, how old was Alistair then? Still newborn-ish age?). Maybe Goldanna's mother and the baby both died in childbirth (she did say she was told that the babe also died), but Eamon later claimed that the baby didn't die and Alistair was him. Who knows maybe Maric was the father of Goldanna's little brother. Or maybe child Goldanna saw the king flirting with the pretty maid (her mother), and when her mother became pregnant by some other unknown guy little Goldanna convinced herself that the king was actually the baby's father? As for Loghain - as I said haven't read The Calling, so just speculating here - there's only a couple years between Rowan's death and Alistair's birth (9:08 and 9:10 respectively per the wiki) right? Maybe it was writer's error in the dates? Or maybe Loghain feels that Maric having an illegitimate child so soon after Rowan's death (theoretically Maric could have gotten Fiona pregnant less than a year after his wife's death... I think... unless the year the two met/became lovers is actually stated?...) could still be considered an insult against Rowan?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 18, 2019 19:32:05 GMT
What is Goldanna's whole deal? I don't, and have never, understood why people bring up Goldanna in this context as if her word on the matter was gospel. Even presuming she is telling the truth as she believes it, she was a child. Children don't always have the best understanding or remembrance of events. I'm sure most of us here have some childhood memory that, when recounted to parent(s), would be responded to with, "o_O No, what happened was..." Even if her mother had sex with Maric, that doesn't mean that she was pregnant with Maric's baby. She could have had sex with someone else, or been raped by someone else, and still gotten pregnant.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 19, 2019 18:38:34 GMT
the hell are you talking about? alistair was said to be 20 years old in origins, even before the calling was published. and when did gaider said that fionna and maric's child is not alistair? As far as I'm aware, Gaider has always said that the baby in The Calling is Alistair. I recall him being kind of annoyed that fans found it ambiguous and kept arguing about it, in fact. (I could be misremembering that, however. It was on his Tumblr which is now gone.)
Now, it is true that this doesn't make a whole lot of sense with some things from Origins. What is Goldanna's whole deal? She seems to sincerely believe that Marric got her mother pregnant. Goldanna said that she was told that the babe was dead. I think it may be as simple as that. The fact that some people conflated those two children was simply convenient. It's not the first time we see people fashioning false narratives based on conjecture in DA. Aren't people prone to honor memory of a dead person more than they do when people are still alive? Also - one has to take into account how memory of Rowan still writes into the landscape of Fereldan politics. Also, I mean.. her brother is still alive. He may have had some say in it, both to honor his sister's memory and his family's standing.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 19, 2019 18:44:37 GMT
What is Goldanna's whole deal? I don't, and have never, understood why people bring up Goldanna in this context as if her word on the matter was gospel. Even presuming she is telling the truth as she believes it, she was a child. Children don't always have the best understanding or remembrance of events. I'm sure most of us here have some childhood memory that, when recounted to parent(s), would be responded to with, "o_O No, what happened was..." Even if her mother had sex with Maric, that doesn't mean that she was pregnant with Maric's baby. She could have had sex with someone else, or been raped by someone else, and still gotten pregnant. Never mind that Goldanna had personal interest in believing that the child was king's. It was a turning point in her life, as her mom died in childbirth and she was left all alone to fend for herself and it's just more meaningful to have things that way... and, well.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 19, 2019 19:26:24 GMT
I doubt we'll ever meet a real hybrid. Just people with mixed blood. In a sense w ehave in Feynriel as he had a human fathr but an elven mother. Yeah, and he is just a human with mixed blood.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 19, 2019 20:50:20 GMT
In a sense w ehave in Feynriel as he had a human fathr but an elven mother. Yeah, and he is just a human with mixed blood. I'm not sure if there's even 'mixed blood'. As far as I remember Patrick Weekes mentioned not that long ago on his twitter that - on no level other than who the parents are and the social label of 'elf-blooded' - the human from elf-human unions differs in any way from regular humans. Their shape is human and so is their blood (while Feynriel may simply be a slender human). And that it's some sort of magical process that causes this to be, rather than genetic.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 19, 2019 21:28:42 GMT
Yeah, and he is just a human with mixed blood. I'm not sure if there's even 'mixed blood'. As far as I remember Patrick Weekes mentioned not that long ago on his twitter that - on no level other than who the parents are and the social label of 'elf-blooded' - the human from elf-human unions differs in any way from regular humans. Their shape is human and so is their blood (while Feynriel may simply be a slender human). And that it's some sort of magical process that causes this to be, rather than genetic. Hence why being with a human is a serious decision for an elf. They're consciously contributing to decreasing the elven population.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 19, 2019 21:57:39 GMT
I'm not sure if there's even 'mixed blood'. As far as I remember Patrick Weekes mentioned not that long ago on his twitter that - on no level other than who the parents are and the social label of 'elf-blooded' - the human from elf-human unions differs in any way from regular humans. Their shape is human and so is their blood (while Feynriel may simply be a slender human). And that it's some sort of magical process that causes this to be, rather than genetic. Hence why being with a human is a serious decision for an elf. They're consciously contributing to decreasing the elven population. Maybe it's a consideration when people are in such relationships willingly. But not all pregnancies were planned (Fiona's wasn't), while some others... well...
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 19, 2019 22:46:40 GMT
Maybe it's a consideration when people are in such relationships willingly. But not all pregnancies were planned (Fiona's wasn't), while some others... well... The juxtaposition of those two sentences makes it sound like Fiona having sex with Maric was non-consensual. I don't believe that was your intention, but that's how it reads to me. At any rate, Fiona's role in elven population levels became moot once she became a warden, since it's known that grey wardens don't have children, or at the very least that it's an extremely rare occurrence. Doesn't Merrill talk about this stuff if you romance her? I never have, so I only have the barest awareness from stuff I've read here and there. Iddy's post makes me think that that is the primary reason such relationships are discouraged: not because of animus with humans, though I'm sure that has an influence, but because it is harming the elf population as a whole, which is already weak.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 19, 2019 23:04:58 GMT
Maybe it's a consideration when people are in such relationships willingly. But not all pregnancies were planned (Fiona's wasn't), while some others... well... The juxtaposition of those two sentences makes it sound like Fiona having sex with Maric was non-consensual. I don't believe that was your intention, but that's how it reads to me. No, I simply said it wasn't planned and thought I made enough distinction between unplanned pregnancy and non-consensual sex with the word 'while'? If some see a suggestion there, it indeed wasn't intentional. It is interesting though. Apparently whatever innate powers Alistair has, they don't appear to have been inherited from his elven mage mother (though they may have been a contributing factor on some non-physical level), but from his ancestor drinking the blood of the dragon, which somehow remains a dominant trait that is actively passed to next generation. I have to keep wondering what's that about. Well, the idea is hardly an obscure one in-world. Even when Lavellan romances Solas Sera can be heard complaining about how boring it is than an elf 'always takes the elf so that banging bits will mean something', and by that she means 'rebuilding the Empire'
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 19, 2019 23:10:27 GMT
Doesn't Merrill talk about this stuff if you romance her? I never have, so I only have the barest awareness from stuff I've read here and there. If romancing a male Hawke: Hawke "Does it bother you that I'm human?" Merrill: "No! I'm not saying I'd change you for...I'm making things worse, aren't I? I just...I'm one of the elvhen. I'm supposed to preserve who we are, and if I...there are reasons it is bad to...is it warm in here?" and later "The Keeper...my whole clan will object if we...not that they could hate me any more, I suppose."
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 20, 2019 0:41:25 GMT
It is interesting though. Apparently whatever innate powers Alistair has, they don't appear to have been inherited from his elven mage mother (though they may have been a contributing factor on some non-physical level), but from his ancestor drinking the blood of the dragon, which somehow remains a dominant trait that is actively passed to next generation. I have to keep wondering what's that about. I'd prefer it if this lore bit didn't exist, quite honestly. I'm not a fan of characters who have some innate unique gift that can be used to explain anything that strikes the writer's fancy. If romancing a male Hawke: Hawke "Does it bother you that I'm human?" Merrill: "No! I'm not saying I'd change you for...I'm making things worse, aren't I? I just...I'm one of the elvhen. I'm supposed to preserve who we are, and if I...there are reasons it is bad to...is it warm in here?" and later "The Keeper...my whole clan will object if we...not that they could hate me any more, I suppose." Well, I certainly hope she got better at communication as the relationship went on (even in off-camera/headcanon scenes).
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