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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 8, 2020 0:34:05 GMT
At the end of the day, DA:I was both BioWare's bestselling and best received game to date (acc. to Mark Darrah). So at the very least, they're trending in the right direction with the DA franchise. The important thing now is to build upon that momentum with DA4. True, as of now the DA franchise remains the only Bioware property (not counting SWTOR) that has been free of major controversy like MEA and Anthem. Yes DA2 had it's issues but it was still reviewed well and sold well enough for them to make DLCs and a sequel. This is the momentum DA4 would have. I'd say the ME3 Ending debacle is still the worst controversy of the ME franchise rather than MEA. That one actually made news. Even ME1 made Fox News.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 8, 2020 2:35:37 GMT
True, as of now the DA franchise remains the only Bioware property (not counting SWTOR) that has been free of major controversy like MEA and Anthem. Yes DA2 had it's issues but it was still reviewed well and sold well enough for them to make DLCs and a sequel. This is the momentum DA4 would have. I'd say the ME3 Ending debacle is still the worst controversy of the ME franchise rather than MEA. That one actually made news. Even ME1 made Fox News. It made news but it also made money. While the press was bad, it was not bad enough for EA to stop post launch content such as Omega, Citadel and Leviathan. Whereas with MEA, EA essentially gave up on it and with Anthem....well....the post release plans have not lived up to what it was supposed to. Why? At the end of the day ME3 is still a great game, especially gameplay wise and was light on any bugs/glitches unlike MEA. A common theme with ME3 is that 95% of the game is great until you get to the last 5%. That is different from MEA which was full of poor performance, weak story, laughable characters and full of embarrassing moments. Then Anthem was just a terrible and bland game altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 18:46:28 GMT
And DLC like Shivering Isles lasted for over a day. And that’s just one example from one studio who did this before CDPR tried. Yeah, if we're talking "influential" RPGs and ones "that moved the genre forward" this decade - that honor does go to Skyrim. It's success is what spurred all the OW follow-ups. The Jimquisition had rather timely video on this as well. By contrast, Yahtzee named The Witcher 3 as one of the most “significant” games from the past decade!
Yaaaaaay
But not one of his 10 favourite games from the past decade!
Booooooo
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Post by themikefest on Jan 8, 2020 19:00:26 GMT
My list is different from IGN
2010 Mass Effect 2 - Lots of reasons. Harbinger, Martin Sheen, working with Cerberus, the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest cook in the universe, and one of the best scenes in the trilogy, from Arrival, the conversation between Shepard and Harbinger.
runner-up God of War 3
2011 Skyrim - I use to be an adventurer like you until I took an arrow to the knee
runner-up Dragon Age 2 - Why? Because of Meredith of course, and the dialogue system. I find it to be the best of any Bioware game
2012 Mass Effect 3 - It has Javik the Great.
runner-up Darksiders 2
2013 Bioshock Infinite
runner-up Tomb Raider
2014 Dragon Age Inquisition
2015 Bloodborne
runner-up
Rise of the Tomb Raider
2016 Uncharted 4
2017 Horizon Zero Dawn
2018 God of War
runner-up
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2019 Haven't played any from 2019 yet, but if I had, it would have been Resident 2 which I most likely vote as game-of-the-year
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2020 19:09:27 GMT
I never got into the games because I dislike the combat. I’m only THREE EPISODES into The Witcher series (please. no spoilers) and while I basically think Henry Cavill is doing a good job, I hate the feel of this world. Dragon Age is pretty dark at times, but it’s at least possible to achieve some good, or at least to punish the wicked. In The Witcher, virtually every character acts in their own interest, and those who don’t generally have their decisions blow up in their face. It’s actually kind of comical how awful the world of The Witcher is. In Dragon Age 2, when you help an injured dog, the owner thanks you for your kindness. If you did the same thing in The Witcher, the dog would run off and eat a dozen babies. As a Polish person, I honestly never noticed this before I saw it pointed out on the Internet. We are generally a very pessimistic and cynical nation, with good historical reasoning. There are of course optimists, but the vast majority see more black than white and love to complain about it Personally, I like both the western overly positive storytelling and our pessimistic one, depending on my mood. I do have to wonder what it tells about me that I've pretty often laughed uproariously when I've first read it and keep chuckling at a lot of stuff still. Sapek can be very funny, in a peculiar way that speaks more to local than international audience - to our habits, tropes and historical experience. It's generally a pretty darn hard thing to translate and Witcher is no different in this regard, which is probably why quite a few peculiarities are lost or there's a lack of (even if dark or cynical) humor.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 8, 2020 20:18:52 GMT
I'd say the ME3 Ending debacle is still the worst controversy of the ME franchise rather than MEA. That one actually made news. Even ME1 made Fox News. It made news but it also made money. While the press was bad, it was not bad enough for EA to stop post launch content such as Omega, Citadel and Leviathan. Whereas with MEA, EA essentially gave up on it and with Anthem....well....the post release plans have not lived up to what it was supposed to. Why? At the end of the day ME3 is still a great game, especially gameplay wise and was light on any bugs/glitches unlike MEA. A common theme with ME3 is that 95% of the game is great until you get to the last 5%. That is different from MEA which was full of poor performance, weak story, laughable characters and full of embarrassing moments. Then Anthem was just a terrible and bland game altogether. Except many people pointed out flaws in ME3 such as: auto dialogue Shepard, Kai Leng, ME 2 choices not mattering, the kid getting shoved down our throats, binary dialogue wheel shepard and so on.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 8, 2020 20:59:43 GMT
No Indictment? Perhaps. However, look here. Metacritic just release their top 50 Best Reviewed Games of the decade. DA:I is not one of them. Yeah...Metacritic is as useful as Rotten Tomatoes in terms of judging quality (which is to say, not very). However, even if it were usually good - I stopped reading at #5. Might as well put Candy Crush and Farmville on the list if we're including games like Mario "anything". But if the list is meaningful for you, then more power to you. Edit: and just in case; no. If DAI had been included (or even number 1) on this list, it wouldn't change my opinion of metacritic and lists of this nature. They're listing all games. Suggesting DAI be compared with Mario, Forza etc is just plain weird. It's 2020. People will be making 'best/worst of past decade' lists probably the entire January. I suspect some will be made specifically to... encourage threads like this one ;P
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 8, 2020 21:22:02 GMT
And DLC like Shivering Isles lasted for over a day. And that’s just one example from one studio who did this before CDPR tried. Yeah, if we're talking "influential" RPGs and ones "that moved the genre forward" this decade - that honor does go to Skyrim. It's success is what spurred all the OW follow-ups. The Jimquisition had rather timely video on this as well. Ah, yes, Skyrim, the game that moved the genre forward. Into the endless wastes of low effort, copy-pasted content, to be precise
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 9, 2020 13:14:03 GMT
I was wrong.
Anthem did receive an award.
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Post by saandrig on Jan 9, 2020 14:24:18 GMT
Meh, DAI is around the bottom of my personal Bioware game list, above Anthem and ME1 and along Jade Empire. Even MEA is superior by a noticeable degree. I am probably broken though, because I like ME3 and DA2 quite a bit. KOTOR and ME2 are the kings still
So not surprised it's not in some "decade" list. The Witcher 3 made DAI's weaknesses look even worse nowadays. And no, I don't like TW3 much either. If you ask, I would use DAI's character customization and companions content, combine it with TW3 quest system (without the "whatever you choose, you are an asshole loser"), throw both combat systems out the window and cut their open world BS by at least half. And then we will have something good to build upon
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Post by fylimar on Jan 9, 2020 14:30:24 GMT
My list is different from IGN
2010 Mass Effect 2 - Lots of reasons. Harbinger, Martin Sheen, working with Cerberus, the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the greatest cook in the universe, and one of the best scenes in the trilogy, from Arrival, the conversation between Shepard and Harbinger.
runner-up God of War 3
2011 Skyrim - I use to be an adventurer like you until I took an arrow to the knee
runner-up Dragon Age 2 - Why? Because of Meredith of course, and the dialogue system. I find it to be the best of any Bioware game
2012 Mass Effect 3 - It has Javik the Great.
runner-up Darksiders 2
2013 Bioshock Infinite
runner-up Tomb Raider
2014 Dragon Age Inquisition
2015 Bloodborne
runner-up
Rise of the Tomb Raider
2016 Uncharted 4
2017 Horizon Zero Dawn
2018 God of War
runner-up
Assassin's Creed:Odyssey
2019 Haven't played any from 2019 yet, but if I had, it would have been Resident 2 which I most likely vote as game-of-the-year
I totally forgot, that DA2 was in that timeframe and have updated my list accordingly. Apart from Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, DA2 is probably my most played game.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 9, 2020 14:34:41 GMT
As a Polish person, I honestly never noticed this before I saw it pointed out on the Internet. We are generally a very pessimistic and cynical nation, with good historical reasoning. There are of course optimists, but the vast majority see more black than white and love to complain about it Personally, I like both the western overly positive storytelling and our pessimistic one, depending on my mood. I do have to wonder what it tells about me that I've pretty often laughed uproariously when I've first read it and keep chuckling at a lot of stuff still. Sapek can be very funny, in a peculiar way that speaks more to local than international audience - to our habits, tropes and historical experience. It's generally a pretty darn hard thing to translate and Witcher is no different in this regard, which is probably why quite a few peculiarities are lost or there's a lack of (even if dark or cynical) humor. I just have finished the first book and found it quite funny. I'm either a terrible person or maybe it is funny? The dialogues between Geralt and Jaskier (he is called Rittersporn in German) are great. The whole story with the Djinn is hilarious in the book (it is funny in the show too) - I especially loved the elf, who was happy, that his bar was about to get destroyed and he would get the insurance money - and the priest, who congratulated him.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 9, 2020 15:29:03 GMT
I do have to wonder what it tells about me that I've pretty often laughed uproariously when I've first read it and keep chuckling at a lot of stuff still. Sapek can be very funny, in a peculiar way that speaks more to local than international audience - to our habits, tropes and historical experience. It's generally a pretty darn hard thing to translate and Witcher is no different in this regard, which is probably why quite a few peculiarities are lost or there's a lack of (even if dark or cynical) humor. I just have finished the first book and found it quite funny. I'm either a terrible person or maybe it is funny? The dialogues between Geralt and Jaskier (he is called Rittersporn in German) are great. The whole story with the Djinn is hilarious in the book (it is funny in the show too) - I especially loved the elf, who was happy, that his bar was about to get destroyed and he would get the insurance money - and the priest, who congratulated him. There's a lot of stuff I think is pretty funny to general audience, but there are also just certain things that can only really be understood if one is a local. I remember my surprised laughter when I read about princess Wanda who drowned in river Duppa because nobody wanted her. It's a reference to an old Polish myth in which daughter of a legendary king Krak drowned herself to prevent invasion of Germans Also - if you remove one 'p' from Duppa it means arse. Like... this is so silly, I can't not laugh, but at the same time I can't see how this can be translated. As for individual stories, the Djinn story is pretty hilarious though my favorite is probably one with Dudu. The Beauty and The Beast interpretation is also pretty neatly written, although marred by the fact that the guy was turned into a Beast because *spoilers* he's raped a priestess who, in punishment, has cursed him.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 9, 2020 16:08:32 GMT
I just have finished the first book and found it quite funny. I'm either a terrible person or maybe it is funny? The dialogues between Geralt and Jaskier (he is called Rittersporn in German) are great. The whole story with the Djinn is hilarious in the book (it is funny in the show too) - I especially loved the elf, who was happy, that his bar was about to get destroyed and he would get the insurance money - and the priest, who congratulated him. There's a lot of stuff I think is pretty funny to general audience, but there are also just certain things that can only really be understood if one is a local. I remember my surprised laughter when I read about princess Wanda who drowned in river Duppa because nobody wanted her. It's a reference to an old Polish myth in which daughter of a legendary king Krak drowned herself to prevent invasion of Germans Also - if you remove one 'p' from Duppa it means arse. Like... this is so silly, I can't not laugh, but at the same time I can't see how this can be translated. As for individual stories, the Djinn story is pretty hilarious though my favorite is probably one with Dudu. The Beauty and The Beast interpretation is also pretty neatly written, although marred by the fact that the guy was turned into a Beast because *spoilers* he's raped a priestess who, in punishment, has cursed him.
Yeah, the Beauty and Beast story was pretty hilarious, despite the fact, you've put in spoilers. I hope, they cover that in the show somehow. And I agree, that some things will go lost in translation, since every language has its own particularities and thats great.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 9, 2020 17:01:47 GMT
I would say Skyrim is the most influential game of the 2010s. With most of the RPGs and even games of different generes going open world as a result of Skyrim’s success I would have to rank it high.
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Post by Numinex on Jan 9, 2020 19:32:47 GMT
Oh wow. IGN's opinion.
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Post by Marduk on Jan 31, 2020 14:09:56 GMT
Inquisition is not the only GOTY not on their list. plus they miss numerous acclaimed games. BUT forget about DAI, have you heard of an underrated gem called Witcher 3? its a niche game i wish more people knew about instead of DA. EA should have killed Bioware after DAI garbage but they are known for showing love and care to companies that fail them. We all know EA paid critics to fake liking DAI. plus 2014 didn't have a AAA cinematic with +90 meta score so its the worst year in gaming. Talos Principle is too hard for me and i can't read so Original Sin and Shadowrun Dragonfall are out of the question. not even gonna bother with Forza XBONE LOOOOOL. Bayonetta? imagine playing as a female HAHAHAH. there are other games too but mostly indie and thats a yiiiikes from mee Netflix also made a show about Witcher did you guys know? i wish they had more budget though. 80m is nothing. same with CDPR. can't believe they make such games with so little.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 31, 2020 14:53:50 GMT
Oh wow. IGN's opinion.
Untrue. DA:I did not deserve to get the GOTY award. Especially games that force me to jump like a jackrabbit while climbing an escarpment, menu nav was horrible... etc.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 31, 2020 14:57:07 GMT
I just have finished the first book and found it quite funny. I'm either a terrible person or maybe it is funny? The dialogues between Geralt and Jaskier (he is called Rittersporn in German) are great. The whole story with the Djinn is hilarious in the book (it is funny in the show too) - I especially loved the elf, who was happy, that his bar was about to get destroyed and he would get the insurance money - and the priest, who congratulated him. There's a lot of stuff I think is pretty funny to general audience, but there are also just certain things that can only really be understood if one is a local. I remember my surprised laughter when I read about princess Wanda who drowned in river Duppa because nobody wanted her. It's a reference to an old Polish myth in which daughter of a legendary king Krak drowned herself to prevent invasion of Germans Also - if you remove one 'p' from Duppa it means arse. Like... this is so silly, I can't not laugh, but at the same time I can't see how this can be translated. As for individual stories, the Djinn story is pretty hilarious though my favorite is probably one with Dudu. The Beauty and The Beast interpretation is also pretty neatly written, although marred by the fact that the guy was turned into a Beast because *spoilers* he's raped a priestess who, in punishment, has cursed him.
Thanks for the spoiler. Unlike, some, I have no problems with them.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 31, 2020 19:47:00 GMT
Oh wow. IGN's opinion.
Untrue. DA:I did not deserve to get the GOTY award. Especially games that force me to jump like a jackrabbit while climbing an escarpment, menu nav was horrible... etc.
No it did, with it’s wonderful environments and great characters.
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Post by Numinex on Feb 1, 2020 16:04:38 GMT
Oh wow. IGN's opinion.
Untrue. DA:I did not deserve to get the GOTY award. Especially games that force me to jump like a jackrabbit while climbing an escarpment, menu nav was horrible... etc.
Hahaha, yeah I can imagine that was not fun. I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion, just trying to underscore my growing indifference towards IGN's. Also, I did like DAI a lot. Maybe that had something to do with the fact that I had a crush on my own Inquisitor? Who knows. But I did love it.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 1, 2020 17:17:18 GMT
And it's IGN, a gaming website that is infamous for it's half-baked opinions. I'm not even sure why there is a thread up talking about IGN of all gaming sites.
Oh wait...... I do.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 1, 2020 17:33:59 GMT
And it's IGN, a gaming website that is infamous for it's half-baked opinions. I'm not even sure why there is a thread up talking about IGN of all gaming sites. Oh wait...... I do. "I would have made everyone dislike Bioware, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
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Post by river82 on Feb 1, 2020 20:31:41 GMT
And it's IGN, a gaming website that is infamous for it's half-baked opinions. I'm not even sure why there is a thread up talking about IGN of all gaming sites. Oh wait...... I do. Famous for it's extremely narrow and high review score scale (see below) and for their unacceptable plagiarism. Their opinions seem to be the same as most other major gaming outlets to be fair, which is to say I never found the site terribly informative.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2020 21:21:13 GMT
What's going on in here....
Hmm.... Meh, Spider-Man PS4 is better than DAI.
Come and get me.😄
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