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Post by melbella on Feb 23, 2020 21:06:50 GMT
She probably would've if animating tears and crying was a piece of cake. But concept arts will always be more complex and expressive than the final results. They wouldn't have to animate it. Show her from behind with sounds of her crying. But there was nothing like that at all. It's just not in her make-up.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 23, 2020 22:15:05 GMT
Lol this thread is fuckin weird.
Seems pretty simple to me: despite any effort they might have made to establish Thedas as a gender-neutral society or whatever the hell their aim was, stuff still slips through because the creators can't fully divorce their product from the place and time in which it was created, and the biases ingrained in their brains as a result. Plus it's obvious that DAI desperately wanted to be GoT.
It has nothing to do with "gender imbalance in medieval professions" or whatever the fuck: Thedas bears no resemblance whatsoever to actual Medieval history.
As for claiming during character creation that the player won't face any "gender discriminatiin of note", why does a team of mostly male writers (who according to that famous anecdote from David Gaider's blog, can't even tell when a situation is consensual or not), get to tell their audience that any sexism they experience in the game isn't NOTEWORTHY?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 23, 2020 22:20:25 GMT
(who according to that famous anecdote from David Gaider's blog, can't even tell when a situation is consensual or not) And none of the writers could tell how it was even more rapey towards the Inquisitor.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 24, 2020 17:32:37 GMT
And none of the writers could tell how it was even more rapey towards the Inquisitor. What's this a reference to?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2020 17:47:15 GMT
And none of the writers could tell how it was even more rapey towards the Inquisitor. What's this a reference to? There was a cut part of Champions of the Just where it seems like you defeated Envy and went back to Haven, though things seem a bit off. During this scene, you have a conversation with Leliana that could lead to having sex with her. It’s revealed that this whole sequence was an illusion created by Envy and the mission to actually defeat them continue. It was cut because some of the female writers saw it as rape towards Leliana, but I was pointing out it was even more so towards the Inquisitor because the Envy Demon rapes them through rape by deception via pretending to be Leliana.
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Post by Kabraxal on Feb 24, 2020 17:55:44 GMT
What's this a reference to? There was a cut part of Champions of the Just where it seems like you defeated Envy and went back to Haven, though things seem a bit off. During this scene, you have a conversation with Leliana that could lead to having sex with her. It’s revealed that this whole sequence was an illusion created by Envy and the mission to actually defeat them continue. It was cut because some of the female writers saw it as rape towards Leliana, but I was pointing out it was even more so towards the Inquisitor because the Envy Demon rapes them through rape by deception via pretending to be Leliana. How could anyone think it's rape of Leliana? That makes no sense. Now your take I can see. Though I think it probably got cut more for the issues it would present when fans get pissy about not getting to romance the real Leliana.. because dealing with the fallout from the events in that cut content could be very interesting.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 24, 2020 19:34:17 GMT
There was a cut part of Champions of the Just where it seems like you defeated Envy and went back to Haven, though things seem a bit off. During this scene, you have a conversation with Leliana that could lead to having sex with her. It’s revealed that this whole sequence was an illusion created by Envy and the mission to actually defeat them continue. It was cut because some of the female writers saw it as rape towards Leliana, but I was pointing out it was even more so towards the Inquisitor because the Envy Demon rapes them through rape by deception via pretending to be Leliana. Ah. Considering what happens to Leliana in the alternative quest to that one, given the choice, I think she would much have preferred the Inquisitor getting it on with an illusion of her. Not to mention her backstory. That hardly strikes me as a reasonable complaint either. It's obvious that the Inquisitor is the one being violated in that scenario. Not sure I'd have wanted it cut from the game for that reason alone, though. Obviously there's a difference between something happening to an NPC and the same happening to your avatar in the game, but the whole point of demons, succubi, elves and faeries in folklore has always been as cautionary tales about giving in to your vices. Seems to me that featuring them in a fantasy RPG and not giving the player the opportunity to actually have their character be tempted, give in and reap the consequences is wasted dramatic potential. The Inquisitor could come away from that experience with all sorts of interesting new doubts or resolutions. I could definitely imagine one of mine being left shameful and chagrined, with some awkward but potentially very powerful and heartwarming subsequent conversations with Leliana. Considering how lackluster that entire quest is compared to In Hushed Whispers, I think I'm going to regret that they didn't go through with it next time I pick that route.
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Post by melbella on Feb 25, 2020 1:51:17 GMT
It's obvious that the Inquisitor is the one being violated in that scenario. Not sure I'd have wanted it cut from the game for that reason alone, though. Considering the Inquisitor is mind-wrecked by Envy anyway, I'm not sure I see much of a difference other than how it actually plays out in-game is made very obvious to be illusion whereas the cut version is much more devious.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 26, 2020 19:41:35 GMT
What's this a reference to? There was a cut part of Champions of the Just where it seems like you defeated Envy and went back to Haven, though things seem a bit off. During this scene, you have a conversation with Leliana that could lead to having sex with her. It’s revealed that this whole sequence was an illusion created by Envy and the mission to actually defeat them continue. It was cut because some of the female writers saw it as rape towards Leliana, but I was pointing out it was even more so towards the Inquisitor because the Envy Demon rapes them through rape by deception via pretending to be Leliana. Lmao. That's like saying that having sex with a sex doll replica of Jennifer Aniston is the same as raping her.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 1, 2020 1:35:54 GMT
Lmao. That's like saying that having sex with a sex doll replica of Jennifer Aniston is the same as raping her. Dunno. I guess that for someone to produce and sell a recognizable sex doll of Jennifer Aniston they'd need her signature in some way, shape or form. In which case she'd have expressed consent to whatever a potential costumer did with it. ...In which case those writers were fretting over Leliana being subjected to copyright infringement? Sometimes you really just have to stand back and laugh at the weird twists of logic all this over-sensitivity and consent hyteria leads you to. My very first hour of personal Dragon Age gameplay was the City Elf origin, and words cannot express how shocked and touched and indignant I was, and it made the game so much richer, and the events in it that much more meaningful to me. And it absolutely also woke me up to certain kinds of power dynamic in a way no other media or secondhand report of events had. Imagine their current writing staff clumsily bungling their way through the same kind of scenario, ending up with a stupid, meaningless, spineless, sanitized bore of a story, dead-set on preaching while being terrified of offending or upsetting anyone. Yawn.
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