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Post by Toyish Batphone on Aug 4, 2016 4:09:50 GMT

Greetings folks.

I present you Manveer Heir. He is a racist who works in Bioware and is a developer for the upcoming Mass Effect Andromeda game.

Here are archived copies of some of his tweets:- www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/4w205y/twitter_bullshit_manveer_heirs_comments_about/

Here is he going crazy / getting pointlessly triggered about Deus Ex Mankind Divided (and not in a good way):- www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/4w05oi/socjus_manveer_heir_quoted_in_polygon_as_saying/

I don't know about you people but Bioware is behaving in an extremely hypocritical manner. They whip up a storm about representation and diversity yet they hire someone who is openly racist to develop one of their games.

Fyi, I am not white. I am an Asian Indian living in Southeast Asia. I simply think that racism towards anyone should not be tolerated, particularly by a company that claims to champion representation and diversity.

I probably will hold off from buying Mass Effect Andromeda because the last thing I want is to support a racist. The least Bioware could do is issue a statement or just outright fire him.

Have a nice day and cheers.

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Post by Element Zero on Aug 4, 2016 4:54:06 GMT

I don't let this stuff rile me too much, since the world is full of asshats. Still, BioWare's double standard on this is pretty embarrassing. If this guy were downing women, or if he were a white man with a cup labeled "Black Tears", or any other number of "what ifs", he'd be justly fired as the asshat he is.

Will he keep me from buying the game? No. His racism won't impact my enjoyment at all, as long as it doesn't influence the game content. BioWare, however, should be ashamed that he is still part of their team. They love to view themselves, and be viewed by others, as the champions of social justice and equality in the industry. Shame on them for continuing to employ this provocative idiot.

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Post by Monk on Aug 4, 2016 17:47:39 GMT

Hmmm, he's "loud" and unfiltered. *shrug* Considering America's past, this ain't nothin', sorry. Doesn't bother me one bit, and i am white.

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Post by Gileadan on Aug 4, 2016 18:15:35 GMT

I'm white and I'm not bothered at all. I think he's occasionally funny, even if not intentionally so. Not worth your time to get riled up over, OP.

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Post by FireAndBlood on Aug 4, 2016 18:20:09 GMT

So?

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Post by Abyss108 on Aug 4, 2016 19:06:15 GMT

So is the issue here people not understanding sarcasm or people not understanding racism?

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Post by Heimdall on Aug 4, 2016 19:16:00 GMT

Annoying, but he's not a writer, so I'm not concerned.

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Aug 4, 2016 19:06:15 GMT Abyss108 said:

So is the issue here people not understanding sarcasm or people not understanding racism?

It is best to take anything you read on the internet completely literally.

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Post by Abyss108 on Aug 4, 2016 19:48:38 GMT

Surely by that logic Bioware hates everyone, since they are well known for collecting "fan tears".

Or, ya know, it might actually turn out context is important for language like this...

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Aug 4, 2016 19:36:35 GMT @tzeenchianapostrophe said:

Aug 4, 2016 19:21:06 GMT Lady Artifice said:

I still think the white tears mug is just him trolling. With dizzying success, apparently.

The problem is, that if you change it to *whichever other group* tears, odds are that he would have been slapped on the wrist by Bioware. (at the very least)

I'm not an American, and the subtle nuances of the race war there are probably lost on me, but the simple fact is that his type are aiming their hostile rhetoric
solely based on race and skin color, and that simply does not sit well with me for multiple reasons.

Neither is BioWare. They're Canadians. Let Canadians be Canadian and Americans be American.

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Post by Heimdall on Aug 4, 2016 19:55:04 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 19:48:38 GMT Abyss108 said:

Surely by that logic Bioware hates everyone, since they are well known for collecting "fan tears".

Or, ya know, it might actually turn out context is important for language like this...

You really think those are comparable? Bioware devs use that satirically to reference how emotionally involved fans get with their writing (fans use it differently...)

This guy is using "white tears" to tell every white person that's ever been on the receiving end of prejudice that they deserve to be mocked for complaining. Whether he's being satirical or not, someone who presumably supports the idea that we should be intolerant of intolerance should realize that means all intolerance and not be so hypocritical.

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Post by Abyss108 on Aug 4, 2016 20:04:04 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 19:55:04 GMT Heimdall said:

Aug 4, 2016 19:48:38 GMT Abyss108 said:

Surely by that logic Bioware hates everyone, since they are well known for collecting "fan tears".

Or, ya know, it might actually turn out context is important for language like this...

You really think those are comparable.

In the second line of my post I point out how context is important, and treating things as equivalent like that is dumb.

I think "white tears" (a term jokingly used to refer to white people who complain about people complaining about racism) being referred to as racism is incomparable to actual racism.

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Post by Heimdall on Aug 4, 2016 20:11:22 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 20:04:04 GMT Abyss108 said:

Aug 4, 2016 19:55:04 GMT Heimdall said:

You really think those are comparable.

In the second line of my post I point out how context is important, and treating things as equivalent like that is dumb.

I think "white tears" (a term jokingly used to refer to white people who complain about people complaining about racism) being referred to as racism is incomparable to actual racism.

In my experience, "white tears" is invoked whenever someone wants to put a white person down for complaining about racism directed at them. In one of the above tweets he actually derides racism experienced by white people as not comparing to racism experienced by minorities. That might be true, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or should be mocked as he suggests with his mug.

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Post by Heimdall on Aug 4, 2016 20:20:45 GMT

Not wanting to get into a discussion on the issue, I'm just going to say this before I leave the thread:

I feel very strongly that fighting racism has to be about fighting all racism and permitting none. Saying "racism toward this race isn't REAL racism" is entirely counterproductive to that goal.

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Post by Abyss108 on Aug 4, 2016 20:20:49 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 20:11:22 GMT Heimdall said:

Aug 4, 2016 20:04:04 GMT Abyss108 said:

In the second line of my post I point out how context is important, and treating things as equivalent like that is dumb.

I think "white tears" (a term jokingly used to refer to white people who complain about people complaining about racism) being referred to as racism is incomparable to actual racism.

In my experience, "white tears" is invoked whenever someone wants to put a white person down for complaining about racism directed at them. In one of the above tweets he actually derides racism experienced by white people as not comparing to racism experienced by minorities. That might be true, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or should be mocked as he suggests with his mug.

I've seen it used a lot, and every time I've seen it used it's used against people who jump into a topic where people are complaining about actual racism to tell them to stop complaining about it and it doesn't exist because something bad which is either a one off racist situation that once occurred to them, or even something that was completely unrelated to race in the first place, once happened to them.

It's not used against white people who mention they have problems, or who complain about something that once happened to them, but to white people who specifically go into a topic about racism and try to make it about them and make it seem like their own situation is much worse.

I'm sure there is some shitty person somewhere who has used it in the way you say, but that's not the use case I've always seen.

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Post by Heimdall on Aug 4, 2016 20:26:22 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 20:20:49 GMT Abyss108 said:

Aug 4, 2016 20:11:22 GMT Heimdall said:

In my experience, "white tears" is invoked whenever someone wants to put a white person down for complaining about racism directed at them. In one of the above tweets he actually derides racism experienced by white people as not comparing to racism experienced by minorities. That might be true, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or should be mocked as he suggests with his mug.

I've seen it used a lot, and every time I've seen it used it's used against people who jump into a topic where people are complaining about actual racism to tell them to stop complaining about it and it doesn't exist because something bad which is either a one off racist situation that once occurred to them, or even something that was completely unrelated to race in the first place, once happened to them.

It's not used against white people who mention they have problems, or who complain about something that once happened to them, but to white people who specifically go into a topic about racism and try to make it about them and make it seem like their own situation is much worse.

I'm sure there is some shitty person somewhere who has used it in the way you say, but that's not the use case I've always seen.

Whereas my experience has been precisely the reverse, and this man's tweets say precisely what he thinks of white people who experience racism.

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Post by Abyss108 on Aug 4, 2016 20:28:44 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 20:26:22 GMT Heimdall said:

Aug 4, 2016 20:20:49 GMT Abyss108 said:

I've seen it used a lot, and every time I've seen it used it's used against people who jump into a topic where people are complaining about actual racism to tell them to stop complaining about it and it doesn't exist because something bad which is either a one off racist situation that once occurred to them, or even something that was completely unrelated to race in the first place, once happened to them.

It's not used against white people who mention they have problems, or who complain about something that once happened to them, but to white people who specifically go into a topic about racism and try to make it about them and make it seem like their own situation is much worse.

I'm sure there is some shitty person somewhere who has used it in the way you say, but that's not the use case I've always seen.

Whereas my experience has been precisely the reverse, and this man's tweets say precisely what he thinks of white people who experience racism.

Where exactly do you see it used this way?

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Post by Heimdall on Aug 4, 2016 20:32:06 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 20:28:44 GMT Abyss108 said:

Aug 4, 2016 20:26:22 GMT Heimdall said:

Whereas my experience has been precisely the reverse, and this man's tweets say precisely what he thinks of white people who experience racism.

Where exactly do you see it used this way?

Its a little ways down in one of the links, where he expresses the sentiment that racism toward white people should be dismissed. Amongst similar tweets.
""Prejudice against white people" can't be a serious thing you are claiming. They don't even approach the same league awfulness."

EDIT: If you mean where do I see people use "white tears" that way it's generally by the same people who use "racism is prejudice+power" to try and legitimize their own hypocritical prejudiced rhetoric to claim things like how white people are all racist by definition in our society' (Ironically, they don't even deny that their views are based on prejudice)

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Post by Abyss108 on Aug 4, 2016 20:40:44 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 20:32:06 GMT Heimdall said:

Aug 4, 2016 20:28:44 GMT Abyss108 said:

Where exactly do you see it used this way?

Its a little ways down in one of the links, where he expresses the sentiment that racism toward white people should be dismissed.

""Prejudice against white people" can't be a serious thing you are claiming. They don't even approach the same league awfulness."

Well, yeah, that's not saying an individual instance of racism directed towards a white person is OK. That quote says it's not a serious issue as in it's not a widespread thing. I'm white, I've heard a racist thing or two said against white people, but "Prejudice against white people" is not a thing.

Though I meant where you often saw the term "white tears" meant in the way you said. I just wondered if it was used in different ways on different social platforms/location or something which would explain why we have very different definitions of the term. The idea of it meaning the things you said would never even enter my mind before you said it.

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Post by Heimdall on Aug 4, 2016 20:48:12 GMT

Aug 4, 2016 20:40:44 GMT Abyss108 said:

Aug 4, 2016 20:32:06 GMT Heimdall said:

Its a little ways down in one of the links, where he expresses the sentiment that racism toward white people should be dismissed.

""Prejudice against white people" can't be a serious thing you are claiming. They don't even approach the same league awfulness."

Well, yeah, that's not saying an individual instance of racism directed towards a white person is OK. That quote says it's not a serious issue as in it's not a widespread thing. I'm white, I've heard a racist thing or two said against white people, but "Prejudice against white people" is not a thing.

Though I meant where you often saw the term "white tears" meant in the way you said. I just wondered if it was used in different ways on different social platforms/location or something which would explain why we have very different definitions of the term. The idea of it meaning the things you said would never even enter my mind before you said it.

Yes, it is a thing in my experience. I find that it often takes the form of attitudes that prejudge white people as prejudiced themselves rather than evaluating them on their actions or behavior.

I used to be supportive of social justice, but it was my consistent experience of such attitudes within social justice groups themselves (And that some such groups now seem to promote rather than discourage such prejudgment) that drove me away from them.

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