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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 20:09:02 GMT
You do realize your own arguments can be used against you, right? For example most players sided with the Mages so most don't ever hear of Calpernia, so by your logic that disqualifies her. That´s right if we are talking about Calpernia too but for the last two of my posts i focus only on Harding. Who said that this? Of course both are in the Game but only Harding is a really companion in the DA 4 party. A follower if you will.
Charter is has a major NPC / Advisor kinda role but she isn´t an active party member.
Or should i better say DA 4 Harding = DAI Cassandra and DA 4 Charter = DAI Leliana
I get we all are getting it. You don´t like Harding and don´t want her in the DA 4 party. That is totally cool but i can´t
argue with me that Bioware is saving Harding for something big and they won´t tell much about her.
Also Hrungr already mentioned it but Mike Laidlaw really wanted Harding as companion when was working on first version of DA 4. And here i partly disagree i don´t tinnk they repeat the DAI system. New game new (gaming) rules). I believe more in a Major NPC or Faction system.
Of course not because Bioware won´t reuse former LI companions. Don´t you think if this wasn´t the rule i would pick Dorian instead of Harding? So nobody how can in DAI a LI (Blackwall, Cassandra, Cullen, Dorian, The Iron Bull, Josephine, Sera and of course Solas) and be Divine Victoria (Cassandra, Leliana and Vivienne)
can be a companion. Its almost impossible that they use Varric a third time. So they only have Cole as an option but with his different fates ifs quite unlikely that he will be back as companion. So Harding is the next and easy bet for all possible world states.
Sure you can´t rule out this but this doesn´t change that DAI and Trespasser was the last gaming experience for DA player.
They have to build a connection between DAI and DA4 like Varric (and Cassandra???) before. "I think you are completely wrong on every aspect." Sorry but wasn´t this quote from you? At least you acknowledge Calpernia shouldn't be an option by your own arguments. Glad you came around. You've done multiple posts how they only bring back one character per source, so you said that. Advisers are equal to companions. The fact that they talk about wanting her could also serve as evidence she won't be, since they are always tight-lipped about future companions because NDAs while characters who aren't involved they can talk about all they want. But yes, I don't want the little sadist as part of the group. The list is operating on the DAI system until we know more. They may not be the same, but I expect it to be something similar. Even your faction system you want easily falls under that. As for the rest, already addressed elsewhere or entering ad nauseam territory again.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 20:12:19 GMT
I don't think he will either. I'm just saying he is an answer to that question about who is a better option. Dorian was never an option for Bioware accouring to Mark Darrahs "rules" because he is an DAI LI in some world states but Harding and Charter of course aren´t LI or they could be dead or a get an optional promotion like becoming the next Divine. They just exist in every world state and makes them very easy to include them in DA 4.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 22, 2020 20:21:19 GMT
I also have a feeling Calpernia will be back in DA4. It feels like she's being positioned for it.
Apart from surviving regardless of your decisions, or which path (mage/templar) you took, we know her plan was to return to Tevinter. But even more importantly, she gets the nod of approval from Dorian (if you follow that path to learn her intentions).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 20:23:08 GMT
I also have a feeling Calpernia will be back in DA4. It feels like she's being positioned for it. Apart from surviving regardless of your decisions, or which path (mage/templar) you took, we know her plan was to return to Tevinter. But even more importantly, she gets the nod of approval from Dorian (if you follow that path to learn her intentions). Except there is nothing to suggest she survives in most circumstances. Heck, talking her out of fighting you has her buying you time as she confronts Corypheus. As we know, he's not one to tolerate failures or traitors. That said, if she does show up I don't see her as being a companion. Major quest character maybe, but not companion.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 20:31:26 GMT
At least you acknowledge Calpernia shouldn't be an option by your own arguments. Glad you came around. Why should i rule Calpernia out? "First according to Patrick Weekes, Calpernia quickly became a favorite of the writers due to her intriguing story and personality."
Second have you already forget that DAO Merrill is only featured in the Dalish Origin? Third again in a purely Harding conversation Calpernia doesn´t matter in this case .
Here is the big difference between you and me for me Advisers aren´t companions! They are Advisers / major NPC who aren´t follow the Hero as an active party member.
For my major NPC / Faction Leader list a lot of characters are returning. But again they aren´t companions / partymembers. Sure sure but my memory is quite good and they said similiar stuff for Cassandra back then. And we all had known before DAI was a thing that Cassandra was an obvious DA 3 companion / partymember. Not really its more in line with DAO and DA 2. For example the DA 2 Arishok wasn´t an Advisor but more an important (and in the end of Act 2 enemy) leader of the Qunari faction.
And Sten as new Arishok is the new faction leader of Qunari Antaam / military and not an Advisor to the player.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 22, 2020 20:32:56 GMT
I also have a feeling Calpernia will be back in DA4. It feels like she's being positioned for it. Apart from surviving regardless of your decisions, or which path (mage/templar) you took, we know her plan was to return to Tevinter. But even more importantly, she gets the nod of approval from Dorian (if you follow that path to learn her intentions). Except there is nothing to suggest she survives in most circumstances. Heck, talking her out of fighting you has her buying you time as she confronts Corypheus. As we know, he's not one to tolerate failures or traitors. That said, if she does show up I don't see her as being a companion. Major quest character maybe, but not companion. The DA Keep shows that she does survive, regardless of what you do. And the fact that she tells you her grand plans for Tevinter should she survive confronting Cory, and then getting Dorian's approval, means... she's going to survive. She positioned in way she could be anything from quest-giver to companion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 20:35:19 GMT
Here is the big difference between you and me for me Advisers aren´t companions!
I couldn't care less what your opinion is. Bioware considers the advisers equal to companions in terms of worth and content. End of discussion.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 20:37:29 GMT
Except there is nothing to suggest she survives in most circumstances. Heck, talking her out of fighting you has her buying you time as she confronts Corypheus. As we know, he's not one to tolerate failures or traitors. Do you really need a bigger hint than that Calpernia hasn´t a bloody skelton in the Dragon Age Keep? Also no body means old videogame rule that the person isn´t dead.
So Calpernia lives in all possible world states. Edit: Hrungr was quicker We know we know but it doesn´t matter what i or you want. If Bioware want to have her as companion she will be a companion.
If not she won´t be but one fact is clear Calpernia is a pretty important DA 4 character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 20:38:00 GMT
Except there is nothing to suggest she survives in most circumstances. Heck, talking her out of fighting you has her buying you time as she confronts Corypheus. As we know, he's not one to tolerate failures or traitors. That said, if she does show up I don't see her as being a companion. Major quest character maybe, but not companion. The DA Keep shows that she does survive, regardless of what you do. And the fact that she tells you her grand plans for Tevinter should she survive confronting Cory, and then getting Dorian's approval, means... she's going to survive. She positioned in way she could be anything from quest-giver to companion. Please don't have her be a companion, Bioware. You're already most likely going to force the sadistic dwarf Harding on us, so keep the mass murdering war criminal away. Quest-giver is fine, so long as that means I can ruin her plans and see she's actually punished for her atrocities, since at least that doesn't waste a slot.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 20:45:59 GMT
She positioned in way she could be anything from quest-giver to companion. From the same PC Gamer interview (maybe you already mean this by that)
"Mark Darrah: The other thing that causes us to bring someone back is someone that we're just simply not done with. That the arc is incomplete. Isabella between Origins and Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that. We introduced her, but there's just a lot more to be done with that. That's actually usually how we choose. Often characters move. We don't reuse followers very often. Obviously, we are reusing Varric. We typically promote secondary characters between games.
PC Gamer: Right, so someone graduates from being a quest-giving NPC to being a companion.
So Calpernia has a good chance to become the next guest-giver to companion like Isabela and Cassandra before.
And Harding is in line to be the next connection companion after Oghren, Anders and Varric.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 20:50:42 GMT
I couldn't care less what your opinion is. Bioware considers the advisers equal to companions in terms of worth and content. End of discussion. Not end of the discussion! Yes they are equal to companions of worth and content but they are their own thing.
They are Advisers and not companions.
To be a companions mean that they have to be playable as partymember as someone who follow the main hero. Advisers don´t follow so they aren´t Companions!!!
Please don't have her be a companion, Bioware. You're already most likely going to force the sadistic dwarf Harding on us, so keep the mass murdering war criminal away. Quest-giver is fine, so long as that means I can ruin her plans and see she's actually punished for her atrocities, since at least that doesn't waste a slot. And that is your problem. Bioware said many times over the year that its okay to not like all companions partymembers. Its ok to hate someone (only fictional characters of course!) but their intention for their games is to have an unique and interessing bunch of personalites.
Or speaking of DAI. Is okay that some don´t like Sera or Vivienne. It´s totally cool for Bioware. On the contrary they love it. Writes only hate when the audience don´t care about character XYZ or find him / her boring than hate or loving him / her.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 22, 2020 21:16:51 GMT
The DA Keep shows that she does survive, regardless of what you do. And the fact that she tells you her grand plans for Tevinter should she survive confronting Cory, and then getting Dorian's approval, means... she's going to survive. She positioned in way she could be anything from quest-giver to companion. Please don't have her be a companion, Bioware. You're already most likely going to force the sadistic dwarf Harding on us, so keep the mass murdering war criminal away. Quest-giver is fine, so long as that means I can ruin her plans and see she's actually punished for her atrocities, since at least that doesn't waste a slot. Dragon Age has always been about companions running the whole spectrum of morality. We've had murderers, mass murderers, child murders, assassins, pirates, usurpers, abominations, and straight-up evil companions. Hell, Calpernia would fit right in.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 21:18:42 GMT
I couldn't care less what your opinion is. Bioware considers the advisers equal to companions in terms of worth and content. End of discussion. Not end of the discussion! Yes they are equal to companions of worth and content but they are their own thing.
They are Advisers and not companions.
To be a companions mean that they have to be playable as partymember as someone who follow the main hero. Advisers don´t follow so they aren´t Companions!!!
Please don't have her be a companion, Bioware. You're already most likely going to force the sadistic dwarf Harding on us, so keep the mass murdering war criminal away. Quest-giver is fine, so long as that means I can ruin her plans and see she's actually punished for her atrocities, since at least that doesn't waste a slot. And that is your problem. Bioware said many times over the year that its okay to not like all companions partymembers. Its ok to hate someone (only fictional characters of course!) but their intention for their games is to have an unique and interessing bunch of personalites.
Or speaking of DAI. Is okay that some don´t like Sera or Vivienne. It´s totally cool for Bioware. On the contrary they love it. Writes only hate when the audience don´t care about character XYZ or find him / her boring than hate or loving him / her.
Problem? Yes, how dare I actually want to enjoy the entertainment I pay for. But fine, if they're in there then I want all the characters I actually like in there as companions too. Fair's fair, after all. As for the first part, yes it is. Both because you agree with me in the next sentence, and also because I'm done talking to you.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 21:20:14 GMT
Please don't have her be a companion, Bioware. You're already most likely going to force the sadistic dwarf Harding on us, so keep the mass murdering war criminal away. Quest-giver is fine, so long as that means I can ruin her plans and see she's actually punished for her atrocities, since at least that doesn't waste a slot. Dragon Age has always been about companions running the whole spectrum of morality. We've had murderers, mass murderers, child murders, assassins, pirates, usurpers, abominations, and straight-up evil companions. Hell, Calpernia would fit right in. I'd just like for there to be a game where I actually like more of the companions than dislike. So far that hasn't happened yet, and this is already stacking the deck against this time being any different.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 21:32:29 GMT
Dragon Age has always been about companions running the whole spectrum of morality. We've had murderers, mass murderers, child murders, assassins, pirates, usurpers, abominations, and straight-up evil companions. Hell, Calpernia would fit right in. 100% right Hrungr!! By the way the possible Harding Calpernia Banter would be interessing because i don´t think that both would like each other. Well at first.
Calpernia could also be very interessing if Maevaris is in the party which i hope because i believe the time has finally come that Bioware makes a transgender companion (Not as Love Interest maybe the time for that will come in DA 5 or DA 6?)
Lets not forget that Maevaris would be a great important message through the gaming world. Last time Bioware did a transgender NPC well they have to apologized.
Therefore i believe in Maevaris as companion / partymember. The great thing about Mae besides being Mae is that she already exist years ago. So no haters (i know they will regradless of this fact they still hate Mae) can bring the argument that Maevaris is a new transgender character which they shoehorn because of the current zeitgeist.
Mae already exists well atleast for 8 years when she was introduced in the comics.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 21:46:02 GMT
Problem? Yes, how dare I actually want to enjoy the entertainment I pay for. But fine, if they're in there then I want all the characters I actually like in there as companions too. Fair's fair, after all. As for the first part, yes it is. Both because you agree with me in the next sentence, and also because I'm done talking to you. Sorry but no game studio can make a game for everybody in the world. That´s impossible.
Also it´s true that we pay/paid for the game but we also don´t own the writers ideas of their game storyline and therefore its characters. Or let me give an example what i mean. I really don´t like Blackwall. For my taste he is a bland character and the twist was more than obvious. Do i feel Blackwalls partymember slot was wasted? Yes i would rather have Cullen in the party than him but like i said before i don´t make or own the Dragon Age storylines so i have to live with that.
And therfore i am confident that you also can live with Harding and Calpernia if Bioware wants to make them partymembers and LI.
You don´t have to like and you can hate it because "wasted partymember slots" but you can live with that.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 22, 2020 21:49:10 GMT
Problem? Yes, how dare I actually want to enjoy the entertainment I pay for. But fine, if they're in there then I want all the characters I actually like in there as companions too. Fair's fair, after all. As for the first part, yes it is. Both because you agree with me in the next sentence, and also because I'm done talking to you. Sorry but no game developel can make a game for everybody in the world. That´s impossible.
Also its true that we pay for the game but we also don´t own the writers ideas of their game storyline and therefore its characters. Or let me give an example what i mean. I really don´t like Blackwall. For my taste he a bland character and the twist was more than obvious. Do i feel Blackwalls partymember slot was wasted? Yes i would rather have Cullen in the party than him but like i said before i don´t make or own the Dragon Age storylines so i have to live with that.
And i am confident that you also can live with Harding and Calpernia if Bioware wants to make them partymembers and LI.
You don´t have to like and you can hate it because "wasted partymember slots" but you can live with that. I just rarely take the party members I dislike out into the field with me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2020 21:53:45 GMT
Sorry but no game developel can make a game for everybody in the world. That´s impossible.
Also its true that we pay for the game but we also don´t own the writers ideas of their game storyline and therefore its characters. Or let me give an example what i mean. I really don´t like Blackwall. For my taste he a bland character and the twist was more than obvious. Do i feel Blackwalls partymember slot was wasted? Yes i would rather have Cullen in the party than him but like i said before i don´t make or own the Dragon Age storylines so i have to live with that.
And i am confident that you also can live with Harding and Calpernia if Bioware wants to make them partymembers and LI.
You don´t have to like and you can hate it because "wasted partymember slots" but you can live with that. I just rarely take the party members I dislike out into the field with me. As do I, but it’s be nice to actually have options in the game of whom to take.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 22, 2020 21:55:17 GMT
I just rarely take the party members I dislike out into the field with me. Well you don´t have too but you miss some of the more juicy stuff. Sebastian isn´t that great but his banter with Isabela (more Isabela comments) are fun.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 22, 2020 23:06:06 GMT
I just rarely take the party members I dislike out into the field with me. Well you don´t have too but you miss some of the more juicy stuff. Sebastian isn´t that great but his banter with Isabela (more Isabela comments) are fun.
I think you miss my meaning I still do all their content and I don't *never* take them out...to dinner ...but on the other hand I just don't put in my party Vivienne or Blackwall as much as I do Cassandra or Dorian. Sure this may miss me out on some banter but then you pretty much take that risk no matter what you do. Boy are my companions chatty cathies though this time.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 23, 2020 3:54:18 GMT
The DA Keep shows that she does survive, regardless of what you do. And the fact that she tells you her grand plans for Tevinter should she survive confronting Cory, and then getting Dorian's approval, means... she's going to survive. She positioned in way she could be anything from quest-giver to companion. Please don't have her be a companion, Bioware. You're already most likely going to force the sadistic dwarf Harding on us, so keep the mass murdering war criminal away. Quest-giver is fine, so long as that means I can ruin her plans and see she's actually punished for her atrocities, since at least that doesn't waste a slot. Ok, I need to know. How is Harding sadistic?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 23, 2020 4:09:59 GMT
Please don't have her be a companion, Bioware. You're already most likely going to force the sadistic dwarf Harding on us, so keep the mass murdering war criminal away. Quest-giver is fine, so long as that means I can ruin her plans and see she's actually punished for her atrocities, since at least that doesn't waste a slot. Ok, I need to know. How is Harding sadistic? Okay, well first there is that satisfied smirk she gives in the first cutscene with her after she killed some of the mages and Templars. Then she talks about torturing Venatori for information and seems really chipper about it. Then in Jaws of Hakkon there is the story where she kept shooting squirrels and her neighbor Henrik to practice with her archery as a kid. In many circumstances, those would be warning signs for the police.
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Post by andydandymandy on Apr 23, 2020 4:30:52 GMT
Honestly, all of that makes me want Harding as a companion. Makes her a potentially deeper character with hidden layers, rather than falling into the trap of being the one note "cute female dwarf that you might have flirted with in the previous game" and nothing else.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 23, 2020 5:11:54 GMT
Ok, I need to know. How is Harding sadistic? Okay, well first there is that satisfied smirk she gives in the first cutscene with her after she killed some of the mages and Templars. Then she talks about torturing Venatori for information and seems really chipper about it. Then in Jaws of Hakkon there is the story where she kept shooting squirrels and her neighbor Henrik to practice with her archery as a kid. In many circumstances, those would be warning signs for the police. Venatori are Tevinter supremacists that practice blood magic, and in practicing blood magic, fuel their power by using people as batteries. Hell, I relish torturing them. They’re evil wizards in need of purging, and my Inquisitor probably immolated more of them than Harding could ever dream. Slightly off topic, I actually had a license to shoot squirrels when I lived in MN. They’re apparently good eating, though it’s kind of silly to bother when I can just buy chicken from the supermarket. Regarding the Templars and mages in the Hinterlands, honestly those people were a nuisance and deserved to die. They had no qualms killing all of the innocent people out there for their little feud.
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