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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 31, 2020 21:33:21 GMT
Differnce is though I would go for a round 2 o fAndromeda though that is my point You could probably go for 10 rounds of Andromeda. Als ohow many people would back them if wor5d got out they abandoned their stories half waythrough? Depends if it is a story worth telling, or if they are going to obsess over a bad idea. Take Riri Williams, a.k.a. Ironheart, Kamala Khan, a.k.a. Ms. Marvel or Suri, from Marvel comics. Nobody liked these characters, their books didn't sell, but Marvel kept making them. Marvel is nearly bankrupt, with Disney backing them up, currently. But they're not going to sell, no matter how hard Marvel is going to try. They failed, nobody wants them, it's over, yet Marvel insists. Even as a sunken cost fallacy, well, it's a sunken cost fallacy. It's time to move on. I would almost certainly boycott byuing any future games from them and I doubt I'd be the only one. That depends on how big you all are, but considering you weren't enough to keep it alive the first time, what chances are there you'd keep it alive the second time? Kamala Khan has been canceled 3-4 times so far. ME doesn't get 4 chances with EA. It's lucky it's getting a second chance at all. Nobody turns up for the second showing of what they perceive as a bad thing and regardless of how you feel about Andromeda, the public roasted it. It's going to fade into obscurity, like Wolfenstein: Youngblood and Rage 2. And I own both of these games. I think the maibn problem was MEA was abuggy mes swhen it launched which was wh yfo rmr ei tstruggled at first if ther were anMEA 2 I don' tthink it would happen again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 31, 2020 21:50:01 GMT
I think the maibn problem was MEA was abuggy mes swhen it launched which was wh yfo rmr ei tstruggled at first if ther were anMEA 2 I don' tthink it would happen again I don't think it matters anymore. It's done.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 31, 2020 21:50:40 GMT
Abandon what story? MEA was about finding a home for humanity, was it not? Wasn't a home found after getting Meridian? There was moer to it than that.What about the Benefactor? What happened wit hthe Jardaan why did they disappear. questions like that to me need answers. The yweren't answered in MEA durin gthe story jus ttha tthey existed and were part of it. Would you have a proper ME:A prequel set in the Milky way that fulfills few objectives that 1) Cerberus is not The Benefactor[regardless if the player character is a Cerberus agent or not] and 2) opening up people within the Andromeda Project that are potential agents of the Benefactors or better contextual clues to who or whom to the identity or the identities of The Benefactor, 3) If Cerberus is involved, As potential allies or enemies or a player character aka a Cerberus Agent If there was a proper ME:A prequel, it can work with any player character regardless of faction. Personally I will take any excuse to have Alex Ryder as a Player Character with an Arc Project as a main weapon fighting bad guys
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 31, 2020 23:42:00 GMT
There was moer to it than that.What about the Benefactor? What happened wit hthe Jardaan why did they disappear. questions like that to me need answers. The yweren't answered in MEA durin gthe story jus ttha tthey existed and were part of it. Would you have a proper ME:A prequel set in the Milky way that fulfills few objectives that 1) Cerberus is not The Benefactor[regardless if the player character is a Cerberus agent or not] and 2) opening up people within the Andromeda Project that are potential agents of the Benefactors or better contextual clues to who or whom to the identity or the identities of The Benefactor, 3) If Cerberus is involved, As potential allies or enemies or a player character aka a Cerberus Agent If there was a proper ME:A prequel, it can work with any player character regardless of faction. Personally I will take any excuse to have Alex Ryder as a Player Character with an Arc Project as a main weapon fighting bad guys TBH I domn't think tha twould work as I'd like th eJqardaan stuff answered as well.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 31, 2020 23:44:01 GMT
I think the maibn problem was MEA was abuggy mes swhen it launched which was wh yfo rmr ei tstruggled at first if ther were anMEA 2 I don' tthink it would happen again I don't think it matters anymore. It's done. You ma ybe keen to wrtite it off but that' syour perorgative but I' m not going to yet.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2020 23:48:25 GMT
Would you have a proper ME:A prequel set in the Milky way that fulfills few objectives that 1) Cerberus is not The Benefactor[regardless if the player character is a Cerberus agent or not] and 2) opening up people within the Andromeda Project that are potential agents of the Benefactors or better contextual clues to who or whom to the identity or the identities of The Benefactor, 3) If Cerberus is involved, As potential allies or enemies or a player character aka a Cerberus Agent If there was a proper ME:A prequel, it can work with any player character regardless of faction. Personally I will take any excuse to have Alex Ryder as a Player Character with an Arc Project as a main weapon fighting bad guys TBH I domn't think tha twould work as I'd like th eJqardaan stuff answered as well. I would like to know if the red wave of destroy reached the darkspace relay. If not, could it be possible there's a few reapers out there or did thing download itself to that location? That location should be investigated to make sure the reapers are no longer a threat.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 31, 2020 23:59:51 GMT
There was moer to it than that.What about the Benefactor? What happened wit hthe Jardaan why did they disappear. questions like that to me need answers. The yweren't answered in MEA durin gthe story jus ttha tthey existed and were part of it. Ok. What I'd be more interested in is what the kett will do.
I feel like the story could go in just about any direction regarding the Kett. It's clear that the Kett are not an entirely monolithic society, and may have disagreements. If there was ever something to be done with them, I would prefer that their own society is in kind of a state of turmoil, which I feel would make sense if their whole process of "procreation" started to see long-term consequences.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 1, 2020 0:30:39 GMT
I would have the kett go on the offensive. They know the location of the Nexus. At the beginning of MEA2, if there is to be one, I would like to see the kett attack the Nexus. Doing enough damage to where the station is no longer functional. Because of the attack, the new main character travels to another cluster to get help to deal with the kett.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 1, 2020 0:36:30 GMT
TBH I domn't think tha twould work as I'd like th eJqardaan stuff answered as well. I would like to know if the red wave of destroy reached the darkspace relay. If not, could it be possible there's a few reapers out there or did thing download itself to that location? That location should be investigated to make sure the reapers are no longer a threat. Well given the reapers were all in the MW on one planet or another either killing a poopulation or indoctrinating it I'd say it's likel ythey were all hit by whatever Shep chooses.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 1, 2020 0:45:44 GMT
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 1, 2020 1:00:07 GMT
Would you have a proper ME:A prequel set in the Milky way that fulfills few objectives that 1) Cerberus is not The Benefactor[regardless if the player character is a Cerberus agent or not] and 2) opening up people within the Andromeda Project that are potential agents of the Benefactors or better contextual clues to who or whom to the identity or the identities of The Benefactor, 3) If Cerberus is involved, As potential allies or enemies or a player character aka a Cerberus Agent If there was a proper ME:A prequel, it can work with any player character regardless of faction. Personally I will take any excuse to have Alex Ryder as a Player Character with an Arc Project as a main weapon fighting bad guys TBH I domn't think tha twould work as I'd like th eJqardaan stuff answered as well. My hunch says that the kett are what's left of the Jaqraans.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 1, 2020 1:06:52 GMT
TBH I domn't think tha twould work as I'd like th eJqardaan stuff answered as well. My hunch says that the kett are what's left of the Jaqraans. I doubt it otherwise they'd have known how to control the remnant the ywouldn't have needed to try to captuer Ryder or attack SAM
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Post by Phantom on Aug 1, 2020 1:08:31 GMT
Would you have a proper ME:A prequel set in the Milky way that fulfills few objectives that 1) Cerberus is not The Benefactor[regardless if the player character is a Cerberus agent or not] and 2) opening up people within the Andromeda Project that are potential agents of the Benefactors or better contextual clues to who or whom to the identity or the identities of The Benefactor, 3) If Cerberus is involved, As potential allies or enemies or a player character aka a Cerberus Agent If there was a proper ME:A prequel, it can work with any player character regardless of faction. Personally I will take any excuse to have Alex Ryder as a Player Character with an Arc Project as a main weapon fighting bad guys TBH I domn't think tha twould work as I'd like th eJqardaan stuff answered as well. With the Jardaan and its potential, it might in and of itself should be a dedicated game if Bioware wanted to develop a proper and full game involving them heavily.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 1, 2020 1:11:29 GMT
You ma ybe keen to wrtite it off but that' syour perorgative but I' m not going to yet. Going by last time, I don't think it matters. Maybe mayb enot we will only know in time.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 1, 2020 1:14:18 GMT
TBH I domn't think tha twould work as I'd like th eJqardaan stuff answered as well. With the Jardaan and its potential, it might in and of itself should be a dedicated game if Bioware wanted to develop a proper and full game involving them heavily. Yeah it possibly could if Biowae rwere to choose tha troute the ycould make that into a game. Much like wha tthey did with ME2 and Shep's investigation into the collectors
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 1, 2020 1:14:48 GMT
My hunch says that the kett are what's left of the Jaqraans. I doubt it otherwise they'd have known how to control the remnant the ywouldn't have needed to try to captuer Ryder or attack SAM Well, if they're a remnant of the Jaqraans from a lost colony when that cloud of dark energy hit, or if they're simply survivors of it, they could have forgotten how to over the generations till they were no longer able to bear children. Such knowledge can be lost over time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 1, 2020 1:25:05 GMT
I doubt it otherwise they'd have known how to control the remnant the ywouldn't have needed to try to captuer Ryder or attack SAM Well, if they're a remnant of the Jaqraans from a lost colony when that cloud of dark energy hit, or if they're simply survivors of it, they could have forgotten how to over the generations till they were no longer able to bear children. Such knowledge can be lost over time. That seems too similar to the Angara for me to think Bioware will do that.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 1, 2020 1:29:28 GMT
Well, if they're a remnant of the Jaqraans from a lost colony when that cloud of dark energy hit, or if they're simply survivors of it, they could have forgotten how to over the generations till they were no longer able to bear children. Such knowledge can be lost over time. That seems too similar to the Angara for me to think Bioware will do that. I did say it was a hunch. Plus it'd fit with Bio's theme with reusing plot points from the MET (like the Collectors being the protheans). But I guess I'll find on these forums if my hunch is right or not. That is, if a MEA2 is ever made.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 1, 2020 1:33:33 GMT
I would like to know if the red wave of destroy reached the darkspace relay. If not, could it be possible there's a few reapers out there or did thing download itself to that location? That location should be investigated to make sure the reapers are no longer a threat. Well given the reapers were all in the MW on one planet or another either killing a poopulation or indoctrinating it I'd say it's likel ythey were all hit by whatever Shep chooses. The galaxy does not know if all reapers were in the Milky Way. The council and Hackett, and likely all species that it's worth making a trip to darkspace to make sure.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 1, 2020 1:55:18 GMT
Well given the reapers were all in the MW on one planet or another either killing a poopulation or indoctrinating it I'd say it's likel ythey were all hit by whatever Shep chooses. The galaxy does not know if all reapers were in the Milky Way. The council and Hackett, and likely all species that it's worth making a trip to darkspace to make sure.
The problem though is that this premise needs to lead somewhere. Like, would there just be some reaper stragglers, or something weirder that happens to be out there? If there's nothing, then it would at least be some interesting supplemental background detail, like a blurb in the news that a team was sent to investigate or something, but nothing comes of it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 1, 2020 1:58:31 GMT
The galaxy does not know if all reapers were in the Milky Way. The council and Hackett, and likely all species that it's worth making a trip to darkspace to make sure.
The problem though is that this premise needs to lead somewhere. Like, would there just be some reaper stragglers, or something weirder that happens to be out there? If there's nothing, then it would at least be some interesting supplemental background detail, like a blurb in the news that a team was sent to investigate or something, but nothing comes of it.
Yeah the other problem being with darkspace being as vast as it is and if the reapers were still sneaking or hiding around ther would they be able to find them? I'm not so suer they would.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 1, 2020 2:09:07 GMT
The thing is there is no official evidence to really prove anything you are claiming about Andromeda There is no official evidence to prove otherwise, though. We do know that BioWare Montreal closed and there wasn't DLC, but overall sales numbers or when they had those sales isn't an official number And you're never going to get it. So is it safe to assume that Andromeda sold so well, that it basically concluded the sales of the franchise? That EA simply said "we don't want to make more money"? In what world, in what parallel universe would that be true? Just like my stance that BioWare Montreal and DLC was doomed before the game even released for they never filled leadership positions during development, they just moved people temporarily into the studio and were starting the procedures to close the studio According to the Schreier article, Montreal expected to jump right into the next title, when the cancelation order came, so no, they weren't expecting procedures to close the studio. Why would they? Why would anyone working for Montreal expect that? What reason would they have? There is nothing to prove that I am not correct in my theories either We've had multiple sources saying the contrary. Schreier's article being the most famous one. but it also fits within what we as outsiders were seeing I can't attest to what you are seeing. Unless you can backup what you are saying with real sales numbers and not just assumptions based on some facts its not a complete picture To see the cancelation of a franchise, the closure of a studio, estimates of 2.5 million copies sold in an entire quarter, when it expected to sell 3 million in its first week and for EA to expect that number, meant it needed to hit a milestone within that timeframe, for a reason, it means that no, it wasn't successful. so you can make all the guesses you want about how successful or not successful Andromeda was your not anymore accurate then people wanting to stay in Andromeda. Regardless of what you consider accurate, one side is accurate. One side reflects the truth. Now, I am sure some people here will tell you that Andromeda made all the money it needed, which is why it was canceled, I am sure this is how EA operates on a regular basis, after all, that because Motive, which was an entirely different studio, fully staffed as well, but needed more help with Battlefront, it was completely on the table to just shut down Bioware Montreal and move everyone over. I am sure that is just standard operational procedure, right? You just merge shit, as you like. Maybe we can merge EA Texas with EA Kuala Lumpur tomorrow, just because. It doesn't make sense. There's no reason why any of these things would have happened for any other way. If you can give me a plausible explanation, then maybe, but we have many industry sources claiming otherwise, veteran market analysts claiming otherwise and just 10 guys on a Bioware forum calling it a viable success with a guaranteed future. It makes one of the two demographics sounds absurd. 1) The claim that there isn't enough evidence to prove you wrong, doesn't mean you are right either. Just like I have said in my reply that there are many different ways it can be interpreted and nobody is right so there is no point claiming one person knows the way BioWare should move forward based on what we know for we don't know anything substantial. 2) If with my theory EA was already shutting down BioWare Montreal because of how mismanaged it was before the game even released they cannot just put a stop to it and besides I think it was six months of patching they did for the game so they just didn't stop support of the game at released they took time to fix numerous issues with the game. They just didn't make new content for the game and after six months the DLC market is pretty slim sales. My stance has always been the game was in the middle. It wasn't a failure, but it wasn't a massive success so the accountants could have done their math for after all the patches and things BioWare fixed with the game and ruled that they wouldn't make more money releasing new content at that time for single player. They were releasing new content for multiplayer at that time and making money that way. Do you think GTAV wasn't successful then because they didn't make more single player content or was it the accountants telling the management we think you can make more money focusing on GTA: Online instead of making new single player content. 3) With the Schreier article who did he talk to? I doubt he talked to every level of people that work at EA and who would be making those kinds of decisions. Just because the people he talked to were making that assumption it doesn't mean EA had enough faith for BioWare Montreal that it was a no confidence vote in the studio and its days were done. To move Mac Walters to be the creative lead during development and then goes straight back to Anthem afterwards to me shows they weren't planning on finding a new person for that role. 4) You are still using estimates for the amount of copies sold. They can use all the math and few pieces of information to try and figure out what the sales numbers were, but at the end they are still estimates. We do not know the sales numbers for the game, you can estimate it all you want and quote all the internet estimates, but EA knows how much money they made from the game and we don't. 5) For us there is no truth in what happened because we will never know what happened. Everything on the matter on these boards is guesswork with a few facts. The only people that know the truth will never tell us. My theory is very simple. We don't have evidence to make any claims on how a multi-billion dollar company sees one of its products based on how little information we have. There are many shades of grey and I think Andromeda falls into that spot well. We have a handful of comments made over multiple years with a couple of major things that happened without context of why they happened. We are making our own personal conclusions on things like why BioWare Montreal closed, but it doesn't mean those conclusions are even in ballpark of what EA based their decision around. I don't think anyone is right and I don't think anyone is wrong with any of their theories because that is all they are.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 1, 2020 2:39:38 GMT
The problem though is that this premise needs to lead somewhere. Like, would there just be some reaper stragglers, or something weirder that happens to be out there? If there's nothing, then it would at least be some interesting supplemental background detail, like a blurb in the news that a team was sent to investigate or something, but nothing comes of it. How did this so-called team you mention get to darkspace to report there was nothing there?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 1, 2020 2:45:59 GMT
Well given the reapers were all in the MW on one planet or another either killing a poopulation or indoctrinating it I'd say it's likel ythey were all hit by whatever Shep chooses. The galaxy does not know if all reapers were in the Milky Way. The council and Hackett, and likely all species that it's worth making a trip to darkspace to make sure. They ma ynot know but it's highly likel ytha tthey are especially given how well Shepard has disrupted theoir plans not once but twice by the time the war has started.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 1, 2020 2:56:50 GMT
The problem though is that this premise needs to lead somewhere. Like, would there just be some reaper stragglers, or something weirder that happens to be out there? If there's nothing, then it would at least be some interesting supplemental background detail, like a blurb in the news that a team was sent to investigate or something, but nothing comes of it. How did this so-called team you mention get to darkspace to report there was nothing there?
I didn't say they would report anything. I said that it would just be a background detail that doesn't get a follow-up. Alternately, if it does lead somewhere, the problem is how to make this interesting beyond just "Oh look, more reapers".
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