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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 18, 2020 18:26:34 GMT
Bioware: We don't use the word "learn" here. Because we don't want to learn from shit! To learn, you first need to admit fault.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 18, 2020 19:10:21 GMT
Bioware: We don't use the word "learn" here. Because we don't want to learn from shit! Unless you have a mouse in your pocket pls refrain from using we, us etc. cause I'm not in your camp and never will be
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Post by cptdata on Dec 24, 2020 1:14:24 GMT
So the new teaser seems to leave us with the idea of a Mass Effect game taking place in the Milky Way after the events of ME3, at least going by the appearance of a Reaper(‘s wreckage?). Which leaves us with questions like, how will they handle the endings? The most straightforward thing to do is pick an ending and stick with it. Synthesis might be too alien a future to be recognizably ME so it probably wouldn’t be that one. It could be Control unless they’d really rather not have the Reaper’s sticking around. That would leave Destroy. Either way I doubt Shepard would be coming back. There’s also the Deus Ex approach: when developers handle a branching ending by crafting a sequel scenario where also the endings happen to some degree. In this case that would mean something like the Crucible destroying most of the Reapers in the immediate vicinity of Earth. Some small percentage of the populace would be changed according the Synthesis ending, creating social strife and conflict, and what’s left of the Reapers break off their invasion to pursue some inscrutable agenda that may or may not be driven by Shepard’s will. I’ve actually become more attached to this idea the more I think about it because I think it creates some fantastic opportunities for the writers to craft a fresh and interesting setting out of the post ME3 Milky Way galaxy. Set the story a few decades after ME3 and it could be pretty interesting. Any thoughts? Well, the Asari is most likely (>90%) Liara - aged. Maybe Liara is now in her early Matriarch stage, which would make her approx 600 years old. That's more than enough time between ME3 and ME5 to leave some details in the past. Most of Shepard's decisions won't matter anymore, but some still do: Krogan cure: do it or sabotage it? If sabotaged, the Krogans are still around, but also still a dying race that has nothing but contempt for anyone else. If cured, they'll be much stronger and a productive part of the Citadel community. Rachni killed / spared: they might be around if spared, and gone if killed. They WILL return if spared, not sure about their intend 'though. Quarian/Geth War: Sided with the Geth -> Quarians mostly extinct, except a very small portion of the Flotilla. Maybe. Sided with the Quarians -> Geth mostly extinct, except some small pockets of 'em still resisting. Maybe. Ended the war peacefully -> Quarians and Geth alive. Geth still existing regardless of ending picked due "rebuilt by Quarians". Endings: Destroy / Synthesis / Control / Refusal Refusal is right out since the Reapers apear to be defeated. Synthesis is highly unlikely since that would mean everyone is an organic/synthetic hybrid. Control is possible, but also unlikely since there's a dead Reaper in the Teaser which might hinting ... Destruction is most likely possible. Shepard MIGHT have survived that last battle but since several centuries have passed, s/he'll be dead anyways in ME5. Love Interest. Since Liara is still around, she might have children with Shepard, who are also Asari and may have some role to play. If Shepard didn't pick Liara but someone else, no blue children and details may be lost to the past. Unless, of course, Liara tells anything about "The Shepard". Whereabouts of most of Shepard's crew: died long ago. Maybe some of 'em left a mark in Galaxy history and they're part of the Codex. One more thing: ME5 got announced after ME!Remaster became a thing. While "Remaster" usually doesn't mean "large parts of the game reworked", EA already said some parts needed to be reviewed and updated. That's most likely true for ME1 due outdated combat mechanics and poor planetary exploration. Some other things may change too. While I don't believe the endings will be changed in any way, either EA decided for a canon ending (most likely Destruction) or ... we're allowed to import a ME3 savegame to ME5. In that case, the decisions named above will be imported. I wonder how ME5 handles different endings. That's a tiny, tiny, tiny hope EA/Bioware DID change some parts of the endings, namely the final decision. Instead of deciding Blue-Green-Red, the only thing that matters is your war score and that's it. The better it is, the less damage the ending will do to the galaxy and in the golden ending, Shepard will survive. And s/he will destroy the Reapers, no matter what.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 24, 2020 2:36:45 GMT
If the genophage is cured unless people genphage them again or genocide them fast enough the Krogan will have killed everyone else and populated every habitable planet in the galaxy and the next dozen galaxies. Their numbers would be in the octillions by then. They would own septillion planets. since they had a genophage bioware felt comfortable throwing out an absurd number for their birth rate.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 24, 2020 10:04:25 GMT
If the genophage is cured unless people genphage them again or genocide them fast enough the Krogan will have killed everyone else and populated every habitable planet in the galaxy and the next dozen galaxies. Their numbers would be in the octillions by then. They would own septillion planets. since they had a genophage bioware felt comfortable throwing out an absurd number for their birth rate. The genophage is actually not the sole possible birth control method out there.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 24, 2020 11:43:05 GMT
If the genophage is cured unless people genphage them again or genocide them fast enough the Krogan will have killed everyone else and populated every habitable planet in the galaxy and the next dozen galaxies. Their numbers would be in the octillions by then. They would own septillion planets. since they had a genophage bioware felt comfortable throwing out an absurd number for their birth rate. That's not set in stone. First of all, the Krogans seem to understand what's at stake and may not repeat mistakes of the past. Well, at least if Wrex and Bakara are in charge. Of course, no one knows what kind of leadership the Krogans will have several centuries later, but it seems the Krogans slowly moved their culture from "blood knight proud warrior" to a more civilized approach. So they also might get the idea that "long living species + explosive breeders" need some form of birth control, otherwise they'll be at odds with the galaxy within 2 centuries (or less) again. Without the cure, the Krogans -will- die out. With the cure, they -might- become a more civilized people. I wonder what ME5 is going to show us.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 24, 2020 15:17:51 GMT
If the genophage is cured unless people genphage them again or genocide them fast enough the Krogan will have killed everyone else and populated every habitable planet in the galaxy and the next dozen galaxies. Their numbers would be in the octillions by then. They would own septillion planets. since they had a genophage bioware felt comfortable throwing out an absurd number for their birth rate. The genophage is actually not the sole possible birth control method out there. Yes, but you have to want to use them. They don't.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 24, 2020 15:23:09 GMT
If the genophage is cured unless people genphage them again or genocide them fast enough the Krogan will have killed everyone else and populated every habitable planet in the galaxy and the next dozen galaxies. Their numbers would be in the octillions by then. They would own septillion planets. since they had a genophage bioware felt comfortable throwing out an absurd number for their birth rate. That's not set in stone. First of all, the Krogans seem to understand what's at stake and may not repeat mistakes of the past. Well, at least if Wrex and Bakara are in charge. Of course, no one knows what kind of leadership the Krogans will have several centuries later, but it seems the Krogans slowly moved their culture from "blood knight proud warrior" to a more civilized approach. So they also might get the idea that "long living species + explosive breeders" need some form of birth control, otherwise they'll be at odds with the galaxy within 2 centuries (or less) again. Without the cure, the Krogans -will- die out. With the cure, they -might- become a more civilized people. I wonder what ME5 is going to show us. No, they don't. When only 2 people do and every other example is a bunch of murder turtles who are chomping at the bit to kill all those who wronged them. That is not a case of they understand. Without a cure they can live on with sustainable numbers. With the cure without 100% pure bullshitium on biowares part they murder everyone. That is just who they are, its who they have always been. it is who they always would be.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 24, 2020 16:15:13 GMT
Krogan cure: do it or sabotage it? If sabotaged, the Krogans are still around, but also still a dying race that has nothing but contempt for anyone else. If cured, they'll be much stronger and a productive part of the Citadel community. Why not meet it part way? Have the genophage cured, but because there wasn't enough time to do a thorough testing, it only increased the birth rate from 1/1000 to maybe 3/1000? They don't have to be mentioned in the game. Depending on your ME2 playthrough, they weren't mentioned. Since it appears red is the chosen, the geth can still be around, but because of red they start going back to what they were before uploading the code. Why would children from t'soni be the only ones who might have a role? Why couldn't children, descendants, from Williams/Alenko/Jack have a role? The other romances have Shepard and LI adopt children who have children who's descendants, not direct descendants, could have a role. If the teaser is to be believed, it appears red is canon. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware were to removed the green and blue from the remaster. Of course Bioware could setup the archives for the player to use to import choices into ME4.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 24, 2020 16:27:11 GMT
Krogan cure: do it or sabotage it? If sabotaged, the Krogans are still around, but also still a dying race that has nothing but contempt for anyone else. If cured, they'll be much stronger and a productive part of the Citadel community. Why not meet it part way? Have the genophage cured, but because there wasn't enough time to do a thorough testing, it only increased the birth rate from 1/1000 to maybe 3/1000? The geonphage cure should have just been 1 for 1. which is what you see in the slides. Just don't have giant ass clutches of stillborns, only have 1 egg produced. Its the piles of stillborns that was the issue, not their birth rate with the genpphage.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 24, 2020 17:39:53 GMT
That's not set in stone. First of all, the Krogans seem to understand what's at stake and may not repeat mistakes of the past. Well, at least if Wrex and Bakara are in charge. Of course, no one knows what kind of leadership the Krogans will have several centuries later, but it seems the Krogans slowly moved their culture from "blood knight proud warrior" to a more civilized approach. So they also might get the idea that "long living species + explosive breeders" need some form of birth control, otherwise they'll be at odds with the galaxy within 2 centuries (or less) again. Without the cure, the Krogans -will- die out. With the cure, they -might- become a more civilized people. I wonder what ME5 is going to show us. No, they don't. When only 2 people do and every other example is a bunch of murder turtles who are chomping at the bit to kill all those who wronged them. That is not a case of they understand. Without a cure they can live on with sustainable numbers. With the cure without 100% pure bullshitium on biowares part they murder everyone. That is just who they are, its who they have always been. it is who they always would be. One possible solution is: the fertile females krogan are all still on Tuchanka, and are pretty much stuck there unless they get help from another race. The krogan soldiers had to hitch rides on turian ships, as I recall from ME3.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 24, 2020 19:24:02 GMT
No, they don't. When only 2 people do and every other example is a bunch of murder turtles who are chomping at the bit to kill all those who wronged them. That is not a case of they understand. Without a cure they can live on with sustainable numbers. With the cure without 100% pure bullshitium on biowares part they murder everyone. That is just who they are, its who they have always been. it is who they always would be. One possible solution is: the fertile females krogan are all still on Tuchanka, and are pretty much stuck there unless they get help from another race. The krogan soldiers had to hitch rides on turian ships, as I recall from ME3. That would be kind of funny. We fixed you genophage but we are making sure you can't get together to breed. I'd buy it to some degree given who is involved, but there are probably hundreds of millions of krogan on Turian worlds. I am not sure the turians would want to mess with them like that.
Sabotage their transports so they never arrive, planet hulk them or something. Geez guys I don't know what happened to all the krogen men, the relays must be funky after that R/G/B wave thing. Weird that it only happened to them.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 24, 2020 23:27:04 GMT
Krogan cure: do it or sabotage it? If sabotaged, the Krogans are still around, but also still a dying race that has nothing but contempt for anyone else. If cured, they'll be much stronger and a productive part of the Citadel community. Why not meet it part way? Have the genophage cured, but because there wasn't enough time to do a thorough testing, it only increased the birth rate from 1/1000 to maybe 3/1000? Wrex won't see much of a difference between 1/1000 and 3/1000 and would be still mad at the Salarians and Shepard as well. It simply wouldn't have worked. The cure needs to make a massive difference between genophage and cured genophage, which means at least 1:10 needs to survive. That's still a lot of stillborn, but one could explain via "extensive damage done by the genophage that simply is beyond repair". 1:10 means growth rate got increased by 100 - and that's still well beyond what Tuchanka's ecosystem can take. True. I'm considering the Rachni as a possible adversary since the vow of one queen doesn't mean all future queens will honor it. Basically, it's the same like with Wrex: just because our favorite Krogan says they won't be bad people anymore, the next Krogan leader may have different ideas here. Uncertain. If true AI is required for a Geth unit to consider itself as a being with a soul (aka: being truely alive), the living Geth are extinct. The former Geth -may- survive in some way (and even that's uncertain), but they won't be "alive" anymore due lack of a soul. Also there's some debate if "Reaper code" is some sort of AI programming or a natural intelligence, harvested from one of the former species in the galaxy (see ME2, how Reapers are made). I hope you're right, but given enough time, only children from Liara and Shepard are still around while any other descendant is lost to history. Being great-grandchild of a legend doesn't mean one turns into a legend as well or at least a person history remembers. 300 - 400 years are more than enough. I'm certain there are some dozen persons out there with "Robert E. Lee" as one of their ancestors and yet no one knows 'em unless they earn renown for themselves. And yeah, totally would love to meet Great-great-great-granddaughter Ashley Shepard-Williams III in game There's a tiny chance you're right. Removing two of three choices so only destruction remains, removing most / all of the ending after Anderson's death and you get more or less the "Happy Ending Mod". Well, except Shepard does not need to survive any of the different destruction endings except the "golden one". That tiny hope is also one of the two big reasons why I want to get ME!Remaster. The other one is the aged gameplay of ME1: I want to do one more playthrough, but can't bring myself to touch ME1 again due it's combat system.
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 5, 2021 0:10:29 GMT
I’ve always thought only way to return to Milky Way is to pick an ending. Destroy always felt to me to have most potential, control could have a dystopian potential I suppose. If there’s no shep I hope they jump 100 years on etc and handle sheps fate at the very least like (rumors from some that shep died that day whilst others say they died much later and the likes of liara remain enigmatic on the subject)
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