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Post by Hrungr on Feb 25, 2021 19:12:34 GMT
So given DA4 is pivoting direction again, does this delay the project further? Or does the elimination of MP elements reduce the workload to offset that? Also, I wonder if they will go back towards some of the Joplin vision? We'll just have to wait and see...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 19:12:40 GMT
This is good news and very unexpected of EA. Anthem's failure did have a pleasant side effect. Where? This certainly isn't it.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 25, 2021 19:12:44 GMT
So given DA4 is pivoting direction again, does this delay the project further? Or does the elimination of MP elements reduce the workload to offset that? Also, I wonder if they will go back towards some of the Joplin vision? It really depends on how complete it is and how separate from the SP experience the live services elements were planned to be I suppose, so probably impossible for us to know.
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Post by necrowaif on Feb 25, 2021 19:14:10 GMT
Did the devs sacrifice Anthem in a blood ritual so that Dragon Age could be single-player? If so, I may have to change my stance on blood magic, because that shit is THE TOPS.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 25, 2021 19:15:06 GMT
So given DA4 is pivoting direction again, does this delay the project further? Or does the elimination of MP elements reduce the workload to offset that? Also, I wonder if they will go back towards some of the Joplin vision? We'll just have to wait and see... They're just getting rid of something. It may not be a simple as like closing browser, but I'd be surprised if this announcement delayed things further.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 25, 2021 19:15:37 GMT
Onto the subject, I think this at least means more resources will be put towards building the single player component of the game. Whether that speaks to the quality, idk. Feature creep is often a problem with AAA action/adventure games, so I would hope they dont waste the additional manpower/bandwidth on frivolous mechanics or features.
My lingering concern about this change is (1) was it too abrupt & serve to possibly upheave a lot of what BioWares done so far, and (2) how much was the live service aspect baked into the game & its story? Theres also the obvious question of whether it'll be a good game even with this pivot.
Still, this should give desperate fans something of hope I imagine. I still dont see this game coming out till Q4 2023 at the earliest. Hopefully that's enough time to have the game worked out to what they want it to be, but you never know anymore with BioWare.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Feb 25, 2021 19:16:39 GMT
So given DA4 is pivoting direction again, does this delay the project further? Or does the elimination of MP elements reduce the workload to offset that? Also, I wonder if they will go back towards some of the Joplin vision? I think it's the latter. It's almost always a dedicated team that does multyplayer, alongside one that focuses on SP. IMO now they have more recourses to spare on core game, which is great. Maybe we even get to have duo=protagonist and actually branching storylines I've been dreaming about.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 25, 2021 19:17:24 GMT
We'll just have to wait and see... They're just getting rid of something. It may not be a simple as like closing browser, but I'd be surprised if this announcement delayed things further. It depends on how integrated the LS elements were going to be in the overall game/narrative. How much of the game was structured to accommodate them?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 19:17:27 GMT
So given DA4 is pivoting direction again, does this delay the project further? Or does the elimination of MP elements reduce the workload to offset that? Also, I wonder if they will go back towards some of the Joplin vision? We'll just have to wait and see... Hopefully they have to start from scratch again, and this time not make every part of the story absolute garbage.
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Post by Rascoth on Feb 25, 2021 19:19:31 GMT
I’m a little late but I brought the champagne everyone! I hope you brought multiple bottles or one hella big one, because one regular-sized bottle will not be enough
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 25, 2021 19:20:55 GMT
A Multiplayer in the style of DAI and MEA would be really nice on the side yeah. What if they add it later as (free) DLC? Personally, as someone who likes either pure multiplayer or pure single player games, this makes me happy. I like both multi and single player, but mixing them together often results in a final product that is somewhat less than the sum of both components. Sure I'll take it later too, I also can take a game without MP But for me DAIMP and MEAMP have been good or even really good if talking about the latter, I hope they continue doing the co-op MP additions somehow.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 25, 2021 19:23:09 GMT
We'll just have to wait and see... Hopefully they have to start from scratch again, and this time not make every part of the story absolute garbage. Did I miss something? Besides Solas we know nothing about the story. 🤨
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 25, 2021 19:24:24 GMT
Justin Perez @thejustinperez 1. Left BioWare 2. Went to help make Jedi Fallen Order in part because it was a single-player game 3. Now get to play another single-player Dragon Age
Taking full credit for this, you're welcome everyone.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 25, 2021 19:25:11 GMT
Hopefully they have to start from scratch again, and this time not make every part of the story absolute garbage. Did I miss something? Besides Solas we know nothing about the story. 🤨 We know it will have a new not Inquisitor PC, which is Hanako’s point of contention with the whole enterprise.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Feb 25, 2021 19:27:42 GMT
I could never get into DA:I's multiplayer, it was just so slow paced for me from what little I played of it. Probably because Inquisitions gameplay doesn't translate well from SP to MP, not that the gameplay was that great anyway to begin with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 19:27:55 GMT
Hopefully they have to start from scratch again, and this time not make every part of the story absolute garbage. Did I miss something? Besides Solas we know nothing about the story. 🤨 Well, for example the "This is Your Story" obviously meant everyone would be playing at the same time rather than a strong narrative around a single character. Now it's just a question of if they make the right decision with the protagonist or still be idiots. Also explains why exploring half a continent seemed to be a thing, so hopefully they scale it back down to just a couple and really delve into them. And so on. But this is Bioware. I'm expecting the worst. Did I miss something? Besides Solas we know nothing about the story. 🤨 We know it will have a new not Inquisitor PC, which is Hanako’s point of contention with the whole enterprise. Much more than that, ut I'm used to people minimizing and misrepresenting my arguments.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 25, 2021 19:30:10 GMT
Also, I wonder if they will go back towards some of the Joplin vision? No. Joplin has been scraped as that was, in part, David Gaider's vision. Patrick Weekes has explicitly stated that if he is to make DA4, he is not to second guess what David Gaider would have made, but make the game he was going to make.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 25, 2021 19:31:16 GMT
We know it will have a new not Inquisitor PC, which is Hanako’s point of contention with the whole enterprise. Much more than that, ut I'm used to people minimizing and misrepresenting my arguments. Sorry if I misrepresented, that just seems to be what you bring up most of the time.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 25, 2021 19:33:06 GMT
I always said that my biggest fear for DA4 was that it’d be an Anthem-like game, so I’m personally happy about this direction. Hanako’s point on the teaser is interesting, although I don’t think they’re going to shift back to the Inquisitor as a protagonist. But I wouldn’t mind if they go back to the Inquisitor, and if the game was previously developed to be a full live service experience, it makes sense that we’d have a new protagonist, as we couldn’t have 4 players or more all playing as the Inquisitor. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 19:35:34 GMT
Much more than that, ut I'm used to people minimizing and misrepresenting my arguments. Sorry if I misrepresented, that just seems to be what you bring up most of the time. I appreciate the apology. And it's fine. THat is a big part of it, but it's far beyond that. Like in my post you quoted, I've also not liked how much of Thedas the game seemed to be having since there is no way they'd be able to explore all well. Same with the nubmer of plots and enemies they seemed to be having. So yes I'd love to have Inquisitor as PC now. I'd also love if they just focused on Tevinter, Qunandar (these two include Seheron), and maybe Anderfels instead of those plus Antiva plus Nevarra plus wherever else. And I'd love if they focused on only one villain and plot.
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Post by ClarkKent on Feb 25, 2021 19:43:35 GMT
Anthem dead and Dragon Age 4 confirmed singleplayer?
This is a glorious day.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2021 19:48:05 GMT
I always said that my biggest fear for DA4 was that it’d be an Anthem-like game, so I’m personally happy about this direction. Hanako’s point on the teaser is interesting, although I don’t think they’re going to shift back to the Inquisitor as a protagonist. But I wouldn’t mind if they go back to the Inquisitor, and if the game was previously developed to be a full live service experience, it makes sense that we’d have a new protagonist, as we couldn’t have 4 players or more all playing as the Inquisitor. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. I don't think they're going to either. After all that would be the right decision, and they've shown they aren't capable of that lately. But yeah, even the first time watching the trailer from a couple months ago I was like "This feels like a trailer for a MMO game" (I wasn't alone since I remember people thinking that might be why the title was just Dragon Age) but watching it again with this new knowledge and that feels super the case.
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Post by Heart on Feb 25, 2021 19:49:31 GMT
I pop in here to lurk every so often and absolutely needed to see the reaction to this news lol I'm thrilled. I don't think an abandonment of live service or multiplayer elements guarantees a great game or anything, but I REALLY think this is a massive step in the right direction. To be honest, I'm still kind of shocked they intended for it to be a service game for long.
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