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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 17, 2021 12:56:54 GMT
Actually, one of the major themes explored in the MET is morality and 'grey' decision-making. This complicated system would not have been so successful without the paragon/renegade choices and was a huge selling point with each game in the series as gaming journalists reviewing the games would use catch lines like "be a space hero, or be a space asshole." To say it has never been used as a selling point is blatantly incorrect. I disagree that it wouldn't have been successful. We see it was in Dragon Age since those decisions are talked about more than Mass Effect's and they didn't use a simplistic Paragon/Renegade morality system. Heck the decision most talked about with the Shepard Trilogy is one that doesn't involve that system at all: the endings. But sure, maybe it was used as a selling point and I didn't see it. My point of it not being one of the main ones still stands though. Listen, even if you don't think the morality system or the choices that carry over are that important to you gameplay wise, it is used as a selling point and as something that is unique to MET. Hence, why it's one of the main selling point. When businesses try to get you to buy their thing instead of the other guy's thing, they will throw the unique parts of it in your face first and show you what differentiates their game from the other games. Before I even played the first one I knew about Paragon/Renegade Shepards and the choices.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Jun 17, 2021 15:36:54 GMT
Lmao hilarious projection here Considering this thread in the MET section is flooded with salty Andromeda stans telling the poster how wrong they are for criticizing a 7/10 game when they are used to getting 9-9.5/10 games from the same franchise. Is the MEA section full of METrolls trying to crap on y'all's parade everytime you make a thread too? I wouldn't know because I have no interest. isn't the purpose of threads to invite conversation and debate? I suppose it does depend on the thread even the mods have set up seperate threads to weed out specific criticism or praise... But the whole idea of a forum is to debate. Though now I'm curious to see the OPs position on this. Sure, but typically the idea is to stay on topic not meander to whatever happens to live rent free in one's head 24/7 I don't know what "ME3MP veterans" have to do with the MEA singleplayer design being boring to the OP compared to the MET singelplayer. Seems like if something is bothering you that much that you gotta try and derail other threads with it, it's you who can't take criticism. 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 17, 2021 16:51:23 GMT
I disagree that it wouldn't have been successful. We see it was in Dragon Age since those decisions are talked about more than Mass Effect's and they didn't use a simplistic Paragon/Renegade morality system. Heck the decision most talked about with the Shepard Trilogy is one that doesn't involve that system at all: the endings. But sure, maybe it was used as a selling point and I didn't see it. My point of it not being one of the main ones still stands though. Listen, even if you don't think the morality system or the choices that carry over are that important to you gameplay wise, it is used as a selling point and as something that is unique to MET. Hence, why it's one of the main selling point. When businesses try to get you to buy their thing instead of the other guy's thing, they will throw the unique parts of it in your face first and show you what differentiates their game from the other games. Before I even played the first one I knew about Paragon/Renegade Shepards and the choices. I never said anything about choices carrying over. I was just talking about the P/R morality system. Choices carrying over are absolutely a huge part. Heck that’s one of my main concerns with both DA4 and ME5. |
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Post by smilesja on Jun 17, 2021 21:28:54 GMT
isn't the purpose of threads to invite conversation and debate? I suppose it does depend on the thread even the mods have set up seperate threads to weed out specific criticism or praise... But the whole idea of a forum is to debate. Though now I'm curious to see the OPs position on this. Seems like if something is bothering you that much that you gotta try and derail other threads with it, it's you who can't take criticism. Tell that to the MET guys as well okay? 
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Jun 18, 2021 16:58:29 GMT
Seems like if something is bothering you that much that you gotta try and derail other threads with it, it's you who can't take criticism. Tell that to the MET guys as well okay? Where? In their own forum sections? The andromeda section is as dead as the anthem one, so clearly no major infestation of METrolls there. I'd think if one likes glorious MEA so much more than the bad MET they'd simply post only in the former section instead of the latter. But talking only to oneself must not be as much fun. Better to engage in attention seeking in the sections for the supposedly inferior games 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2021 18:13:28 GMT
Tell that to the MET guys as well okay? Where? In their own forum sections? The andromeda section is as dead as the anthem one, so clearly no major infestation of METrolls there. I'd think if one likes glorious MEA so much more than the bad MET they'd simply post only in the former section instead of the latter. But talking only to oneself must not be as much fun. Better to engage in attention seeking in the sections for the supposedly inferior games Until MELE came out, this section was just as dead as the MEA one if not more so. All the activity has been in the Future section, which MEA is certainly on topic. |
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Post by themikefest on Jun 18, 2021 18:34:39 GMT
Until MELE came out, this section was just as dead as the MEA one if not more so. All the activity has been in the Future section, which MEA is certainly on topic. Maybe so, but MEA was released just over 4 years ago whereas the trilogy was over 9 years ago. In 5 more years, Andromeda might end up being a video game n one remembers.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2021 18:36:28 GMT
Hell even in the MELE thread there is a lot of discussion in Andromeda. And in this thread as well. And a good chunk of people trying to tell us just how horrible it is to a lot of varying degrees including belligerent trolling.
Anyways, to what I wanted to come in here to say...
Its not even like they got rid of Paragon and Renegade in their entirety. Every single choice in Mass Effect Andromeda is either a Paragon choice, or a Renegade one. From the big ones to the small ones. Arguably they even did a better and more consistent job with this then in the trilogy since in 3 they tended to confuse Paragon and Renegade with good vs. evil. They just removed the point hand holding quantifying your character's morality and using it to unlock dialogue options. Thus Ryder had all their options unlocked and could be played fully as a character, personality, and morality.
Also, I think its a disengenious assertion to suggest that anyone is going out saying that the MET are *inferior* games. Granted I cannot speak for everyone but its not a MET vs Andromeda situation, its not a contest. Some things Andromeda did well, some the trilogy, and some they both sucked at. I may have my preferences on which game is my favorite or not but to suggest one is inferior indicates where the poster is coming from rather then any argument we're making.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2021 18:37:10 GMT
Until MELE came out, this section was just as dead as the MEA one if not more so. All the activity has been in the Future section, which MEA is certainly on topic. Maybe so, but MEA was released just over 4 years ago whereas the trilogy was over 9 years ago. In 5 more years, Andromeda might end up being a video game n one remembers. Only if we start suffering from memory loss. .
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Post by themikefest on Jun 18, 2021 19:18:59 GMT
Maybe so, but MEA was released just over 4 years ago whereas the trilogy was over 9 years ago. In 5 more years, Andromeda might end up being a video game n one remembers. Only if we start suffering from memory loss. . While you and a few others try to keep the memory of MEA around, others will continue talking about the trilogy more than MEA in 5 years especially if the teaser is to be believed.
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Only if we start suffering from memory loss. . While you and a few others try to keep the memory of MEA around, others will continue talking about the trilogy more than MEA in 5 years especially if the teaser is to be believed. For sure... you'll still be here... arguing over the ME3 endings. It's only 9 years... and counting.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 18, 2021 19:51:54 GMT
While you and a few others try to keep the memory of MEA around, others will continue talking about the trilogy more than MEA in 5 years especially if the teaser is to be believed. For sure... you'll still be here... arguing over the ME3 endings. It's only 9 years... and counting. And you will still be moaning and groaning about people not liking something about the trilogy.
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For sure... you'll still be here... arguing over the ME3 endings. It's only 9 years... and counting. And you will still be moaning and groaning about people not liking something about the trilogy. Nope... not much chance of that... but I may be watching.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2021 20:13:49 GMT
Only if we start suffering from memory loss. . While you and a few others try to keep the memory of MEA around, others will continue talking about the trilogy more than MEA in 5 years especially if the teaser is to be believed. 1. The trouble with this is that its goal post shifting. In your original post you suggested that 'no one' would remember MEA...and now you are suggesting that more people will be talking about the trilogy over MEA. These are two entirely different standards to talk about and I don't really care which game will be drawing more overall attention...it wasn't even the question I was responding to in the first place. 2. If the teaser is to be believed...how does the teaser point to an answer of this new question? The teaser made multiple references to Andromeda as well as the trilogy so we do not know what shape the new game will take...and its not like BioWare to abandon plot lines.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 18, 2021 21:02:11 GMT
1. The trouble with this is that its goal post shifting. In your original post you suggested that 'no one' would remember MEA... The trouble with this is I said might. Did it to string along those that did like the game believing something might happen in Andromeda?
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1. The trouble with this is that its goal post shifting. In your original post you suggested that 'no one' would remember MEA... The trouble with this is I said might. Did it to string along those that did like the game believing something might happen in Andromeda? Put the bit of N7 armor in to string people along into thinking Shepard might be in the game... it goes both ways, sir.
Here's my take on the teaser... Liara is on Alchera where, with the help of Cerberus and the Shadow Broker, Shepard's frozen body is packed onto an arc headed for Andromeda while Miranda is tasked with making a Shepard clone so realistic that even TIM believes it's the real Shepard. Liara keeps the armor as a memento. The "truth" is what was so valuable on the data disk that Vasir nearly escaped with in LotSB. Liara would never tell clone ME2 Shepard the truth... above ll else he/she must believe he/she is the real Shepard... hence, her silence about the Initiative. The recording we heard... that's the real Shepard and the recording was made sometime between the end of ME1 and the beginning of ME2.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 18, 2021 21:36:14 GMT
Put the bit of N7 armor in to string people along into thinking Shepard might be in the game... it goes both ways, sir. If that's the case, then someone moved the armor from London to that location with no sign of any battle damage especially after being shot by Harbinger. Sure it could mean Shepard would return, but I would say why they wouldn't show Shepard is not to have male or female show up. That way no one would be upset that they showed female instead of male or the other way around. I'm sure there are many versions from people on what they believe about the teaser, but with yours, what explanation about the reaper in the background and the one t'soni walks on? If Shepard is on an arc headed for Andromeda, that might be a good thing. Play as Shepard showing the duck how it's done. Likely has little Ryder end up being the janitor to keep the ship clean.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 18, 2021 22:06:42 GMT
Again, I don't think anyone should be taking anything from that trailer as evidence for what the next game will be. The whole thing felt very metaphorical.
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Put the bit of N7 armor in to string people along into thinking Shepard might be in the game... it goes both ways, sir. If that's the case, then someone moved the armor from London to that location with no sign of any battle damage especially after being shot by Harbinger. Sure it could mean Shepard would return, but I would say why they wouldn't show Shepard is not to have male or female show up. That way no one would be upset that they showed female instead of male or the other way around. I'm sure there are many versions from people on what they believe about the teaser, but with yours, what explanation about the reaper in the background and the one t'soni walks on? If Shepard is on an arc headed for Andromeda, that might be a good thing. Play as Shepard showing the duck how it's done. Likely has little Ryder end up being the janitor to keep the ship clean. Liara is on Alchera - the Normandy SR-1 crashed there. The armor she picks up there is a piece of the same armor she has in her apartment in LotSB. The Shepard we play with in ME2 and ME3 is a clone, not the real one. The Reaper war takes place as it does in ME3 and Liara serves on the Normandy with the clone Shepard... but the real Shepard is in cryo on the way to Andromeda. (What's yet to be revealed is to what extent Miranda was "in on it." It could be she was told not to lose Shepard and the only way she could be guaranteed of saving him/her was to send him/her off to Andromeda and use her skills to create a clone. She wasn't about to let the Lazarus Project fail, so her creation had to be perfect.) That way, it doesn't matter what ending is chosen... we know what happens to the Milky Way and clone Shepard. Nothing about the OT is changed. Nothing about ME:A is changed. The story continues... you wanted another story about Shepard.
As for the rest, who is to say that Ark 6 winds up meeting the Nexus at the start of the next game... Andromeda is a big galaxy.
I agree with Hanako... in reality, nothing can be gleaned from the teaser. It's all just wild speculation. Fun anyways.
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Post by sugarless on Jun 18, 2021 23:55:05 GMT
If that's the case, then someone moved the armor from London to that location with no sign of any battle damage especially after being shot by Harbinger. Sure it could mean Shepard would return, but I would say why they wouldn't show Shepard is not to have male or female show up. That way no one would be upset that they showed female instead of male or the other way around. I'm sure there are many versions from people on what they believe about the teaser, but with yours, what explanation about the reaper in the background and the one t'soni walks on? If Shepard is on an arc headed for Andromeda, that might be a good thing. Play as Shepard showing the duck how it's done. Likely has little Ryder end up being the janitor to keep the ship clean. Liara is on Alchera - the Normandy SR-1 crashed there. The armor she picks up there is a piece of the same armor she has in her apartment in LotSB. The Shepard we play with in ME2 and ME3 is a clone, not the real one. The Reaper war takes place as it does in ME3 and Liara serves on the Normandy with the clone Shepard... but the real Shepard is in cryo on the way to Andromeda. (What's yet to be revealed is to what extent Miranda was "in on it." It could be she was told not to lose Shepard and the only way she could be guaranteed of saving him/her was to send him/her off to Andromeda and use her skills to create a clone. She wasn't about to let the Lazarus Project fail, so her creation had to be perfect.) That way, it doesn't matter what ending is chosen... we know what happens to the Milky Way and clone Shepard. Nothing about the OT is changed. Nothing about ME:A is changed. The story continues... you wanted another story about Shepard.
As for the rest, who is to say that Ark 6 winds up meeting the Nexus at the start of the next game... Andromeda is a big galaxy.
I agree with Hanako... in reality, nothing can be gleaned from the teaser. It's all just wild speculation. Fun anyways. Clones? Cryogenics? You've just set my overactive imagination on fire 
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 19, 2021 4:32:58 GMT
When my fun stalled early in ME3, I switched up classes a couple of times. It worked, and I'm happily playing my ME3 Adept.
Still, my brief dip into Vanguard (only through Mars) reminded me of how much more fun I had with my MEA Vanguard. It was still brokenly pwerful, but at least it didn't involve Nova and Shepard/Ryder yelling and punching the ground every two seconds. 😆 The a la carte skill selection of MEA made building a character fun.
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Liara is on Alchera - the Normandy SR-1 crashed there. The armor she picks up there is a piece of the same armor she has in her apartment in LotSB. The Shepard we play with in ME2 and ME3 is a clone, not the real one. The Reaper war takes place as it does in ME3 and Liara serves on the Normandy with the clone Shepard... but the real Shepard is in cryo on the way to Andromeda. (What's yet to be revealed is to what extent Miranda was "in on it." It could be she was told not to lose Shepard and the only way she could be guaranteed of saving him/her was to send him/her off to Andromeda and use her skills to create a clone. She wasn't about to let the Lazarus Project fail, so her creation had to be perfect.) That way, it doesn't matter what ending is chosen... we know what happens to the Milky Way and clone Shepard. Nothing about the OT is changed. Nothing about ME:A is changed. The story continues... you wanted another story about Shepard.
As for the rest, who is to say that Ark 6 winds up meeting the Nexus at the start of the next game... Andromeda is a big galaxy.
I agree with Hanako... in reality, nothing can be gleaned from the teaser. It's all just wild speculation. Fun anyways. Clones? Cryogenics? You've just set my overactive imagination on fire Yes, I can almost hear that line coming from Real Shepard when they wake him/her up.
It makes some level of sense given the nature of all the different experiment Cerberus is known to have been conducting throughout the OT... that they did succeed in creating a real-life AI super soldier capable of fooling everyone... Hackett, Anderson, and every squad member from ME1. We know they cloned Shepard from the Citadel DLC and we know they combined geth AI's to humans (David in Overlord). Maybe, just like he/she says during the raid on TIM's base in ME3, Shepard was just some kind of VI that just thought it was the real Shepard after all.
Maybe... the patterns are there, buried in the data...
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Post by Blast Processor on Jun 19, 2021 16:04:37 GMT
The trouble with this is I said might. Did it to string along those that did like the game believing something might happen in Andromeda? Put the bit of N7 armor in to string people along into thinking Shepard might be in the game... it goes both ways, sir.
Here's my take on the teaser... Liara is on Alchera where, with the help of Cerberus and the Shadow Broker, Shepard's frozen body is packed onto an arc headed for Andromeda while Miranda is tasked with making a Shepard clone so realistic that even TIM believes it's the real Shepard. Liara keeps the armor as a memento. The "truth" is what was so valuable on the data disk that Vasir nearly escaped with in LotSB. Liara would never tell clone ME2 Shepard the truth... above ll else he/she must believe he/she is the real Shepard... hence, her silence about the Initiative. The recording we heard... that's the real Shepard and the recording was made sometime between the end of ME1 and the beginning of ME2.
Haha. A few posters have had similar theories. I don't know if the fact that its basically the plot of Metal Gear Solid 5 makes it more likely or less likely to end up true. Either way, funny to think about. A least Metal Gear Solid had to reconcile a character that died and then wasn't dead with no explanation. Solution! The one that died was a clone! LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 16:20:02 GMT
Put the bit of N7 armor in to string people along into thinking Shepard might be in the game... it goes both ways, sir.
Here's my take on the teaser... Liara is on Alchera where, with the help of Cerberus and the Shadow Broker, Shepard's frozen body is packed onto an arc headed for Andromeda while Miranda is tasked with making a Shepard clone so realistic that even TIM believes it's the real Shepard. Liara keeps the armor as a memento. The "truth" is what was so valuable on the data disk that Vasir nearly escaped with in LotSB. Liara would never tell clone ME2 Shepard the truth... above ll else he/she must believe he/she is the real Shepard... hence, her silence about the Initiative. The recording we heard... that's the real Shepard and the recording was made sometime between the end of ME1 and the beginning of ME2.
Haha. A few posters have had similar theories. I don't know if the fact that its basically the plot of Metal Gear Solid 5 makes it more likely or less likely to end up true. Either way, funny to think about. A least Metal Gear Solid had to reconcile a character that died and then wasn't dead with no explanation. Solution! The one that died was a clone! LOL. Never played Metal Gear Solid, so that's not where I'm developing this idea from. Still, lots of ideas in fiction writing are developed by "modifying" ideas found in earlier works... and it has produced a lot of great works over the centuries.
I'm coming to this theory based only on what I see in the teaser and in how well it fits with bits of dialogue and events within the games that the player does not actually ever get a chance to change via an in-game decision. The tech is there - tank breeding, cloning, AI/organic synthesis... it's all been presented to us in the games so far... to the point where Shepard himself/herself in ME3 wonders as to whether or not he/she is a VI who thinks he/she is the real Shepard. If you play ME2 and ME3 with the idea in the back of head that you're not playing those games with the real Shepard, but rather a clone who is already largely an AI... it puts a different spin on a lot of those little bits of dialogue and other inconsistencies people keep putting off as just "bad writing."
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2021 20:34:42 GMT
Put the bit of N7 armor in to string people along into thinking Shepard might be in the game... it goes both ways, sir. If that's the case, then someone moved the armor from London to that location with no sign of any battle damage especially after being shot by Harbinger. Sure it could mean Shepard would return, but I would say why they wouldn't show Shepard is not to have male or female show up. That way no one would be upset that they showed female instead of male or the other way around. I'm sure there are many versions from people on what they believe about the teaser, but with yours, what explanation about the reaper in the background and the one t'soni walks on? If Shepard is on an arc headed for Andromeda, that might be a good thing. Play as Shepard showing the duck how it's done. Likely has little Ryder end up being the janitor to keep the ship clean. I was going to respond in kind to the tenor of this post but then I realized a Shepard/ Ryder tag team would be hella bad ass and now I kinda want it.
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Its never too late. LOL.