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Post by NeverlandHunter on Oct 28, 2016 4:28:56 GMT
It's a terrible crime that Varric hasn't had his own thread. Is it something to be said against dwarves? Or maybe roguishly charming or charmingly roguish storytellers? Is it the chest hair? It can be too much for some people. Well, anyway, I decided to create a thread dedicated to him, his chest hair, his crossbow, and his many lovable personality traits. And let's have some discussion starting questions (for both Inquisition and DA2): -Which companions do you enjoy having in a party with Varric? -If you could have Varric meet someone and have a banter exchange with anyone from Origins, who would it be? -Do you think Varric should let his lady love go and move on? -Which characters do you think Varric has the closest relationship to, or the most interesting relationship dynamic?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 5:35:12 GMT
First of all, I love Verric, he's pretty cool, I just don't like having him in my party because I don't like the way he handles, he's kind of sluggish. I would love to hear him and Sten, Morrigan or Zevran have a party conversation, I do think he should move on from Bianca and I think his relationship with Cassandra is the most interesting.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 28, 2016 6:53:28 GMT
I initially read the first image as saying; "I am a man of manly talents"Can you blame me, he is the Paragon of Manliness after all!
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 28, 2016 11:05:44 GMT
Varric is such a memorable and sort of important, almost iconic character to the Dragon Age series, I'm almost terrified of all the future male dwarf companions and how they're going to get constantly compared to him, POSSIBLY.
Varric is always best friends with all my Hawkes and Inquisitors.
Something I've noticed, if you don't romance anyone with the Inquisitor, after defeating Corypheus, and you are there to take the audience's applause, Varric is the one who looks at you all proud and stuff. It's super sweet! And furthermore, I'm not entirely sure how it works in Trespasser, but when you chase down Viddasala and your mark starts acting up, Varric is the one who asks if you're okay and says that this looks bad and we need to find Solas (if you bring him along), when otherwise it's the romanced companion who says it. Not 100% sure about this but yeah.
Some people say that the Inquisitor is only second to Hawke, but after Trespasser, I'm not so sure about that. At least I like to think that Varric thinks of Inquisitor as one of his best friends (granted if you befriend him, and I've NEVER not befriended him, it's pretty easy to stay on his good side, I believe).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 11:14:41 GMT
If only my Cadash could romance him.. Than things would be different... It'd be become my canon automatically . Or at least one of my many canons...
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 28, 2016 13:58:07 GMT
My only problem with Varric in DAI was that he seemed to be there to provide exposition of previous plotlines and characters and when I was playing an archer it made both him and Sera superfluous. However, he is clearly a good friend to the Inquisitor. After all you get to play a game of Wicked Grace when poor Hawke wasn't even invited to his private card game/drinking parties (even their Mabari hound was invited in preference to them).
Him being there in place of your LI to look admiringly up at your PC at the end, also applies if you romance Solas because he's already departed.
May be it isn't so significant if you are playing a non-mage Trevellyan, since they are Freemarches nobility anyway but I was actually rather touched by his elevating my elf to the ranks of the nobility, giving them the key to the harbour chains (actually rather important really) and an estate of their own. So you don't simply sink back into obscurity after all your efforts for the Inquisition; Varric knows the meaning of gratitude. Or may be he just wanted you there to make up his party for Wicked Grace.
I must admit I would imagine you would really have to work at it to get him not to like you, same as DA2. Presumably you have to be a complete and utter sh**! I would love to know what Varric really thinks about Solas and his plans.
Varric is good in a party with anyone. That is the beauty of him as a character. I did rather enjoy his banter with Fenris in DA2 and I think he and Zevran would have got on rather well in DAO.
If Varric hasn't moved on from Bianca after all these years, he clearly never will. My Solasmancer Lavellan understands but I must admit that personally I think perhaps he should try and find himself some happiness elsewhere. Still the heart doesn't listen to reason. If Bianca was out of the way, I do wonder if he would eventually hook up with Cassandra (assuming she's not already taken). He's already got her hooked on his novels and I'm sure he'd have no trouble pulling off the flowers and candles.
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Post by fylimar on Oct 28, 2016 17:23:57 GMT
Varric is my favorite companion ever - in any game. And I have to agree - he works pretty well with all other companions, although he has the most interesting conversations with Cassandra, I think. He would have had some great dialogues with Zevran and Sten. I'm not so sure about Oghren, I guess, he would have been too much of a dwarven cliche in Varrics eyes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 28, 2016 18:27:16 GMT
I know I am in the minority, but I have never liked Varric. I didn't like him in DA2 and really didn't like him in DAI. It sucks we were forced to keep him around both games.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 29, 2016 2:04:29 GMT
A Varric thread! Varric is one of my favorites! I would definitely have romanced him had it been an option in either game. But I can settle for "best friend." -Which companions do you enjoy having in a party with Varric? No one is bad with Varric, honestly. But if I had to pick, Fenris and Isabela in DA2, and Cassandra, Dorian, and Cole in DAI. -If you could have Varric meet someone and have a banter exchange with anyone from Origins, who would it be? Morrigan, Oghren (I agree he's a stereotype...that's why I think the banter would be interesting, since Varric is the anti-dwarf), Shale, and Sten. Oo, or maybe the architect? And does Dagna count? -Do you think Varric should let his lady love go and move on? Yes, for the good of them both. If they can't find a way to be together, it would probably be less painful if they would both try to move on. He doesn't seem to trust her, in any case (and for good reason). -Which characters do you think Varric has the closest relationship to, or the most interesting relationship dynamic? Varric seems to be downright obsessed with Hawke on occasion, to the point that I wonder if -- had Bianca not been in the picture -- he and Hawke might have gotten together. To me it never felt like he was as close to the Inquisitor as he was to Hawke, though obviously he knew Hawke for much longer. His dynamic with Cassandra is fun to watch, at least after she backs off a bit, and while I'm not really a fan of the idea of them being in a romantic relationship, I do think an interesting friendship is blooming there. Another thing I love about Varric is how kind he is toward Dorian, even while most of the other companions are snipping at him every chance they get. Here's a picture!
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 30, 2016 15:34:42 GMT
I love Varric; always have. I think my favorite moments of his are during Legacy (where he defends Hawke), and that moment in the Deep Roads after Bartrand's betrayal where he practically roars his name. Brian Bloom did so good there! You can really hear the rage and grief in his voice.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 31, 2016 10:22:10 GMT
I love Varric; always have. I think my favorite moments of his are during Legacy (where he defends Hawke), and that moment in the Deep Roads after Bartrand's betrayal where he practically roars his name. Brian Bloom did so good there! You can really hear the rage and grief in his voice. I love the follow-up line he has in that scene; "I'm going to find that son of a b*tch - sorry mother - and I am going to kill him!"It's rather sweet that even though he's seething with rage, he still remembers to take half-a-second to apologise to his mum, for accidentally insulting her by proxy. Especially when you remember that he was his mother's primary caretaker following the death of his father, as Bartrand was too busy running the family business.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 4, 2016 19:05:14 GMT
After watching The Walking Dead, I would love to see how Varric would react to a guy like Negan, who also names his weapon of choice after some woman (I'm pretty sure there is a story behind Lucille too), but who is so completely different in any other regard from Varric (I bet, Varric would love Daryl and his crossbow, those two would probably never stop talking about their favorite weapons ever again )
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Post by dalinne on Nov 5, 2016 0:48:20 GMT
After watching The Walking Dead, I would love to see how Varric would react to a guy like Negan, who also names his weapon of choice after some woman (I'm pretty sure there is a story behind Lucille too), but who is so completely different in any other regard from Varric (I bet, Varric would love Daryl and his crossbow, those two would probably never stop talking about their favorite weapons ever again ) Varric would totally make a Daryl of it
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Nov 5, 2016 1:51:13 GMT
I know I am in the minority, but I have never liked Varric. I didn't like him in DA2 and really didn't like him in DAI. It sucks we were forced to keep him around both games. Hm, I can't imagine disliking him. He's just a everyones' friend kind of guy. The sort of person you wish you knew in real life. Charming, kind, and nonjudgmental (comparatively) around a lot of crazy sh*t! The friend you go to when you did something stupid and you need help or advice. Only during my jerk play throughs can I roll a character that doesn't like Varric! So, anywho, after much praise, I have to ask-- why do you dislike him?
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Post by Lylliaa on Nov 5, 2016 10:51:10 GMT
Yay! Varric's thread! *throws confetti* -Which companions do you enjoy having in a party with Varric?Difficult question! I like them all but I have a preference for two different parties. First one: Cassandra, Varric and Iron Bull/Blackwall. What I really love with this party is that you can see through the game the different faces of Varric. Sure he's a jokester who like making fun of his companions and a writer who seemingly puts his books beforehand but he's also kind, compassionate and often uses his gift with words to make someone feel better. Second one: Varric, Solas and Cole. Bickering parents, anyone? I really like how he takes Cole under his wing and try to teach him things, to make him more human while Solas is the opposite of him. Very interesting party in my opinion! -If you could have Varric meet someone and have a banter exchange with anyone from Origins, who would it be?Just for the fun of it, I'd say younger Leliana It would be funny to see him completely confused "Wait...YOU are Leliana? Well, shave my back and call me an Elf (sorry wrong dwarf) you said the Maker speaks with you, riiiiiiight. Could you develop? *stealthily takes out a pen and notes*" Otherwise I think it would be interesting to see him interact with the Lady of the Forest and whose side he'd be on. -Do you think Varric should let his lady love go and move on?Yep. First because I don't really like Bianca . Second, and in all objectivity, this is one unhealthy relationship that is going to destroy Varric one day (if it isn't already the case). -Which characters do you think Varric has the closest relationship to, or the most interesting relationship dynamic?I liked better how his friendship with the Inquisitor was portrayed than his friendship with Hawke but in all honesty, I think that no one will ever best Hawke. They are or were BFF. But the most interesting relationship for me is -again- Varric/Cole. I love it so much *-*
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Post by fylimar on Nov 20, 2016 10:53:13 GMT
Varric and COle have a very intersting relationship. He seems to have a knack with youngsters (Merrill, Bethany...), he probably would have made a great father - anotehr reason to get over Bianca
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Post by rowrow on Nov 21, 2016 12:36:32 GMT
Varric and COle have a very intersting relationship. He seems to have a knack with youngsters (Merrill, Bethany...), he probably would have made a great father - anotehr reason to get over Bianca I see Varric much more as a cool uncle. (Who you'd definitely want if Bertrand was your dad.) P.S. It's sad this thread doesn't have a second page yet!
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Post by Walter Black on Nov 21, 2016 15:14:23 GMT
I know I am in the minority, but I have never liked Varric. I didn't like him in DA2 and really didn't like him in DAI. It sucks we were forced to keep him around both games. Just out of curiosity, what specifically did you not like about Varric? Funny, I would have thought a guy who does his best to get along with everyone would be right up your alley ...
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Post by fylimar on Nov 21, 2016 17:42:53 GMT
Varric and COle have a very intersting relationship. He seems to have a knack with youngsters (Merrill, Bethany...), he probably would have made a great father - anotehr reason to get over Bianca I see Varric much more as a cool uncle. (Who you'd definitely want if Bertrand was your dad.) P.S. It's sad this thread doesn't have a second page yet! It is sad, I agree. Yes, Varric would be the really cool uncle, but I do think, he would make a great dad too
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 21, 2016 17:43:01 GMT
I know I am in the minority, but I have never liked Varric. I didn't like him in DA2 and really didn't like him in DAI. It sucks we were forced to keep him around both games. Hm, I can't imagine disliking him. He's just a everyones' friend kind of guy. The sort of person you wish you knew in real life. Charming, kind, and nonjudgmental (comparatively) around a lot of crazy sh*t! The friend you go to when you did something stupid and you need help or advice. Only during my jerk play throughs can I roll a character that doesn't like Varric! So, anywho, after much praise, I have to ask-- why do you dislike him? I know I am in the minority, but I have never liked Varric. I didn't like him in DA2 and really didn't like him in DAI. It sucks we were forced to keep him around both games. Just out of curiosity, what specifically did you not like about Varric? Funny, I would have thought a guy who does his best to get along with everyone would be right up your alley ... It's hard to explain, but he just never seemed very genuine about it to me, like all of his 'friendships' was deep down for his benefit in one way or another. For example him acting like friends with Hawke in order to get Hawke to invest in the Deep Roads expedition, thus benefiting him. Maybe its just a byproduct of Bioware trying to force him into the best friend role rather than let it build organically, but he was like this with everything like in DAI his reasons for helping the Inquisition is just because if left unchecked it would affect him. Then of course their was his betrayal of not one but two of my characters in a single scene: the revelation that he always knew where Hawke was. It was an obvious betrayal of trust to my Inquisitor, but with how my Hawke tended to be(of course Bioware screwed that up with the NPC Hawke) it felt like a betrayal of them as well since they would have offered to help Cassandra, Leliana, and the forming Inquisition.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2016 18:03:04 GMT
Hm, I can't imagine disliking him. He's just a everyones' friend kind of guy. The sort of person you wish you knew in real life. Charming, kind, and nonjudgmental (comparatively) around a lot of crazy sh*t! The friend you go to when you did something stupid and you need help or advice. Only during my jerk play throughs can I roll a character that doesn't like Varric! So, anywho, after much praise, I have to ask-- why do you dislike him? Just out of curiosity, what specifically did you not like about Varric? Funny, I would have thought a guy who does his best to get along with everyone would be right up your alley ... It's hard to explain, but he just never seemed very genuine about it to me, like all of his 'friendships' was deep down for his benefit in one way or another. For example him acting like friends with Hawke in order to get Hawke to invest in the Deep Roads expedition, thus benefiting him. Maybe its just a byproduct of Bioware trying to force him into the best friend role rather than let it build organically, but he was like this with everything like in DAI his reasons for helping the Inquisition is just because if left unchecked it would affect him. Then of course their was his betrayal of not one but two of my characters in a single scene: the revelation that he always knew where Hawke was. It was an obvious betrayal of trust to my Inquisitor, but with how my Hawke tended to be(of course Bioware screwed that up with the NPC Hawke) it felt like a betrayal of them as well since they would have offered to help Cassandra, Leliana, and the forming Inquisition. The Inquisitor's (not yet!, only the "Herald of Andraste", or something...!) trust betrayal? He doesn't even knew about him/her before, just as the Inquisitor don't heard about him... sorry, I can't declare that "betrayal". Two unfamiliar people... (My mother always said to me: I must not trust unfamiliar people...) ten-year friendship = / = fresh acquaintance... So: Varric not betray this "Herald of Andraste" or something. In fact Varric was loyal to his friend: to Hawke. He reason to withhold the information, especially if Hawke sided with mages and/or live with Anders. And why Varric should loyal to CASSANDRA? Cassandra kidnapped him, and interrogate him, okay, she also had reasons for it, but as I see, this is mostly not a good start of friendship... Summa summarum, maybe Varric was a "forced" good friend, but still wasn't traitor. An not mentioned yet, that Varric immediately contacted Hawke. This is a very fair method. Or you think a fairer to betray an old friend? (And: Varric probably don't really lied: I think he not necessarly knew, where is Hawke exactly, maybe he just knew, how he can to contact him/her.)
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2016 18:44:20 GMT
I initially read the first image as saying; "I am a man of manly talents"Can you blame me, he is the Paragon of Manliness after all! I do not blame you. Specifically I also readthe same for the first time ...
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Post by rowrow on Nov 21, 2016 18:52:39 GMT
It's hard to explain, but he just never seemed very genuine about it to me, like all of his 'friendships' was deep down for his benefit in one way or another. For example him acting like friends with Hawke in order to get Hawke to invest in the Deep Roads expedition, thus benefiting him. Maybe its just a byproduct of Bioware trying to force him into the best friend role rather than let it build organically, but he was like this with everything like in DAI his reasons for helping the Inquisition is just because if left unchecked it would affect him. Then of course their was his betrayal of not one but two of my characters in a single scene: the revelation that he always knew where Hawke was. It was an obvious betrayal of trust to my Inquisitor, but with how my Hawke tended to be(of course Bioware screwed that up with the NPC Hawke) it felt like a betrayal of them as well since they would have offered to help Cassandra, Leliana, and the forming Inquisition. The Inquisitor's (not yet!, you the "Herald of Andraste", or something...!) trust betrayal? He doesn't even knew about him/her before, just as the Inquisitor don't heard about him... sorry, I can't declare that "betrayal". Two unfamiliar people... (My mother always said to me: I must not trust unfamiliar people...) ten-year friendship = / = fresh acquaintance... So: Varric not betray this "Herald of Andraste" or something. In fact Varric was loyal to his friend: to Hawke. He reason to withhold the information, especially if Hawke sided with mages and/or live with Anders. And why Varric should loyal to CASSANDRA? Cassandra kidnapped him, and interrogate him, okay, she also had reasons for it, but as I see, this is mostly not a good start of friendship... (And: Varric probably don't really lied: I think he not necessarly knew, where is Hawke exactly, maybe he just knew, how he can to contact him/her.) I think that Cass expected he'd be loyal to the Inquisition, not so much her personally. Plus she just hates being lied to. Plus she's still haunted by the idea that Hawke could somehow saved the Divine. I have no trouble believing Varric lied. He's the sort who keeps an eye on his friends, he's certainly bullshitted on Hawke's behalf in DA2, so why wouldn't he lie to protect them from someone like Cass? Especially when Cass does pretty much come off as a scary Chantry fanatic when we first see her in DA2.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2016 18:59:23 GMT
The Inquisitor's (not yet!, you the "Herald of Andraste", or something...!) trust betrayal? He doesn't even knew about him/her before, just as the Inquisitor don't heard about him... sorry, I can't declare that "betrayal". Two unfamiliar people... (My mother always said to me: I must not trust unfamiliar people...) ten-year friendship = / = fresh acquaintance... So: Varric not betray this "Herald of Andraste" or something. In fact Varric was loyal to his friend: to Hawke. He reason to withhold the information, especially if Hawke sided with mages and/or live with Anders. And why Varric should loyal to CASSANDRA? Cassandra kidnapped him, and interrogate him, okay, she also had reasons for it, but as I see, this is mostly not a good start of friendship... (And: Varric probably don't really lied: I think he not necessarly knew, where is Hawke exactly, maybe he just knew, how he can to contact him/her.) I think that Cass expected he'd be loyal to the Inquisition, not so much her personally. Plus she just hates being lied to. Plus she's still haunted by the idea that Hawke could somehow saved the Divine. I have no trouble believing Varric lied. He's the sort who keeps an eye on his friends, he's certainly bullshitted on Hawke's behalf in DA2, so why wouldn't he lie to protect them from someone like Cass? Especially when Cass does pretty much come off as a scary Chantry fanatic when we first see her in DA2. He's loyal, but not JUST to Inquisition. He contacted with Hawke immediately, only he don't tell this to Cassandra. This is not exactly lie, if Varric don't knew, where is Hawke. (Okay, I know, maybe I have weird image about what is the lie...) Cassandra was naive (naive Seeker?! how she was able to her position?), if she was really disappointed ...
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Post by javeart on Nov 21, 2016 19:27:51 GMT
It's always interesting find out how other people see things, I'd never have imagined that some could take Varric's decision of keeping secret Hawke's location as a betrayal to her or that he was just using her when he aproaches her at the beginning of DA2, when I'm always touched about how much he seems to care about her... I can understand how someone could think that he's betraying the Inquisition though, even if I don't feel that way... But I admit that I'm always super forgiving whith my companions: I befriend chantry people when I hate the chantry, the tevinter mage even when I'm usually an elf and various mages haters even if I'm usualy mage, Zevran tries to kill me, Isabella makes an huge mess with the qunari relic, Anders lie to me about its plan to blow up the chantry... I don't care, I love them all I'd say I hate Vivienne but I'm sure that she ever botheres to talk to me beyond asking me for help with her potion, I might even end up liking her too
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