"I Always Have Time For You, My Dear" (Vivienne Discussion) Mar 22, 2019 18:38:56 GMT
Post by noxluxe on Mar 22, 2019 18:38:56 GMT
Yeah. What bothers me about Vivienne isn't so much her opinions, but the hypocrisy. I can respect Wynne's pro-Circle stance because she lived an entire life time there, so she never asked anyone to endure what she wasn't already dealing with herself.
Meanwhile, Vivienne took the first opportunity she had to gain her freedom and then proceeded to scoff at the "malcontents".
Oh she does, but she's also very busy, and when you've had very little to read all your life and are then confronted with libraries of knowledge on anything imaginable written by people whose perspectives you barely empathize with, it probably gets overwhelming. It's always best to get a proper introduction to an important subject from someone who knows what they're talking about from real life experience, and can tell you about the actual pitfalls to avoid as they relate to your situation directly.
And my Lavellan and Vivienne aren't great friends or anything, they just respect each other's abilities and treat each other with professional courtesy. As I said, Lavellan has never had a stake in how shemlen mages were trained before, but knows from personal experience that it needs to be undertaken with care and focus and an eye on teaching the individual mage responsibility to the people that surround him or her.
She hasn't put a lot of thought into how a large number of young mages more or less justifiably shunned by society would accomplish that safely and humanely, but figures that isolated schools are as good a way as any from a logistical standpoint. Fiona and her rebels certainly didn't do a great enough impression to be trusted not to fuck up without adult supervision.
And while Vivienne is very grandstanding and manipulative, the things she proposes are sensible enough as long as they're undertaken sensibly. Preferably by someone who actually feels responsible for the mages. They haven't had any conversations going into the specifics of how the circles are going to work yet though. For now, my Inquisitor is content to have the conscripted mages safely under her thumb while they deal with Corywhatshisface. What comes after will have to wait.
From the other end, Vivienne respects Lavellan's self-mastery and discipline and is perfectly happy supporting someone who is amenable to her policies without necessarily caring for her reasons. It's not inconceivable that she looks down on her for being an elf and trained outside circle system, or for actually being interested in power and influence for the benefit of others. If she does then she doesn't show it though, which means they can work pleasantly together.