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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 19:38:58 GMT
When I first saw a picture of her I thought she was a female qunari... I was little disappointed when I realized that was just her hat. Same here. Unfortunately, while I really love Vivienne as a character, every word out of my PC's mouth ends in more disapproval from her, so I avoid talking to her just in case the game has the normal "companions have to chose to stand with or against you!!!" moment. Better neutral rather than negative Approval rating. I don't want to end up with an extra enemy on my hands in an inevitable big boss end battle.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2017 19:57:11 GMT
She wears a mask because she wants to wear a mask. She doesn't want to befriend. This is his story. Background? She have background, and this is the CIRCLE. The Circle is wrong. Crashes people's soul, and Vivienne is a good example of it. What are you babbling about? Vivienne has a background. Her background is the Circle. Sadly, the Circle and her ambitions made her that unbearable person what she is. What do you want more? Vivienne not a protagonist. She absolutely irrelevant, if the Inquisitor don't recruit her, the story to continue well, Vivienne doesn't necessary for it. She come from a Rivain merchant family, but this no matter: she was a child when got into the Circle. She was clever and ambitious and manipulative, then she was capable of jumping into a noble's bed for political power (and for somekind freedom?), and become court jester enchanter (no offense for "jester": she was who worded, that the mages were some fancy pet in the eyes of the nobles, all nobles want one, before Anders' act, and she probably was sad, that they lost their fancy pet status...) We also know, that she somehow loved her patron, and was sad, when he died. She wears mask, she doesn't want that someone to know her past and her personality. She doesn't want befriend with anyone. This is her background. She is not a positive person in my eyes, but someone likes her.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 6, 2017 20:30:13 GMT
What are you babbling about? and become court jester enchanter (no offense for "jester": she was who worded, that the mages were some fancy pet in the eyes of the nobles, all nobles want one, before Anders' act, and she probably was sad, that they lost their fancy pet status...) Actually, as far as I recall, Vivienne is the one credited for having turned the position of Court Enchanter into a legitimate position of power and status during her time with Empress Celene. Before Vivienne held it, the position was said to basically be a glorified jester.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 6, 2017 20:52:35 GMT
It is possible. Yes. I remember some kind similar. Probably I need to deal with her a bit more, sadly she really annoys me. I tried to take her in my group, but I can't bear her manners. When she said to Bull: "not Viv", I sent her back to the Skyhold immediately, and I left her to deal with the interior decorating. In my world, she shouldn't get a more important task than this.
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Post by xerrai on Mar 6, 2017 20:55:24 GMT
I don' think its too tied to race. I mean, racial bias does still exist to an extent in the game (though its mainly tied to ethnicity and country of origin and not necessarily the color of one's skin). But Circle life in general tends to ignore things like race and country of origin. It's part of why elves are treated more equally in the Circle than anywhere else (mostly). So from the time she was introduced to the Circle at a very young age and being introduced to Orlais outside of the Circle, I don't think race would be too much of an issue for her. That being said, it possibly was an issue in the time before she was introduced to thee Circle, but I have a feeling it would be mostly tied to the social class (poor to middle class merchants) or the religious values (most Rivainians are either Qunari converts or pantheists) of her parents as opposed to being treated differently on account of their race. Apart from how they relate to Orlesian politics, Vivienne and her opinions are almost never about race or origin, but about the treatment of mages and how they should be managed. Which most likely means that race is not too big of a deal for her. The only time when it was an issue was when Cole revealed that a noble said something derisive behind her back about it. But that's about it. But seeing as how she is primarily concerned with her ambition(s) and the treatment of mages, I am inclined to believe that her backstory has more to do with her personal experience with magic prior to entering the Circle. Vivienne primarily believes in the old order of Circles because she believes mages cannot hope to live comfortably without them, and that many will abuse their freedom to harm others. So I am inclined to believe that at some point in her childhood she either saw the consequences of abusive magic or went through something that made her afraid to live as a mage outside the Circle. Then why they never wrote it in the game in the first place? It's like they're incompetent and unwilling to humanize Vivienne it's like they just made her just to be an unpleasant, callous, and a mean person without knowing why she's that way. The writers are getting pretty stupid. I guess they did not put it in because they may not have thought that far ahead or they didn't want it to conflict with the character they wanted to portray. I think the writers tried too hard to make her a Marry Sue who is also a badass. But at the same time contrary to what some players (particularly pro-mage players) would expect. She is a character who can never be challenged by the player, and all attempts to do so are usually only to highlight Vivienne's political swagger. Her flaws, while existent, are only limited to personality and little else. No matter the odds against her she always comes out on top. While some of them were great to look at and even inspirational at times, sometimes her later achievements border on the absurd (for instance, becoming Divine or becoming Grand Enchanter when the CoE does not exist to siphon off those who would be against a traditional Grand Enchanter). Her over-abundance of excellence is such that it is actually a blessing that she has the boon of having a 'bitchy' personality to balance her out. Otherwise she would be a textbook definition of a marry sue with few redeemable flaws to humanize her. Ironically, even though her personality flaw does loads to keep her from being overly perfect, that the writers keep us from actually looking beyond it has the side effect of making her hard to explore as a character. The only exception of course being the scene with Duke Ghislain or dialogue with Cole. The result is a character that few can sympathize with.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 6, 2017 21:49:05 GMT
What are you babbling about? Vivienne has a background. Her background is the Circle. Sadly, the Circle and her ambitions made her that unbearable person what she is. What do you want more? Vivienne not a protagonist. She absolutely irrelevant, if the Inquisitor don't recruit her, the story to continue well, Vivienne doesn't necessary for it. She come from a Rivain merchant family, but this no matter: she was a child when got into the Circle. She was clever and ambitious and manipulative, then she was capable of jumping into a noble's bed for political power (and for somekind freedom?), and become court jester enchanter (no offense for "jester": she was who worded, that the mages were some fancy pet in the eyes of the nobles, all nobles want one, before Anders' act, and she probably was sad, that they lost their fancy pet status...) We also know, that she somehow loved her patron, and was sad, when he died. She wears mask, she doesn't want that someone to know her past and her personality. She doesn't want befriend with anyone. This is her background. She is not a positive person in my eyes, but someone likes her. OK......
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 6, 2017 21:59:29 GMT
Then why they never wrote it in the game in the first place? It's like they're incompetent and unwilling to humanize Vivienne it's like they just made her just to be an unpleasant, callous, and a mean person without knowing why she's that way. The writers are getting pretty stupid. I guess they did not put it in because they may not have thought that far ahead or they didn't want it to conflict with the character they wanted to portray. I think the writers tried too hard to make her a Marry Sue who is also a badass. But at the same time contrary to what some players (particularly pro-mage players) would expect. She is a character who can never be challenged by the player, and all attempts to do so are usually only to highlight Vivienne's political swagger. Her flaws, while existent, are only limited to personality and little else. No matter the odds against her she always comes out on top. While some of them were great to look at and even inspirational at times, sometimes her later achievements border on the absurd (for instance, becoming Divine or becoming Grand Enchanter when the CoE does not exist to siphon off those who would be against a traditional Grand Enchanter). Her over-abundance of excellence is such that it is actually a blessing that she has the boon of having a 'bitchy' personality to balance her out. Otherwise she would be a textbook definition of a marry sue with few redeemable flaws to humanize her. Ironically, even though her personality flaw does loads to keep her from being overly perfect, that the writers keep us from actually looking beyond it has the side effect of making her hard to explore as a character. The only exception of course being the scene with Duke Ghislain or dialogue with Cole. The result is a character that few can sympathize with. That's still no excuse. They could've done better with Vivienne if they wanted to and they have plenty of chances to put more into her but they didn't. And I want to know about her early life, about her parents, and what trials she had to go through as a mage. They could've but they didn't and that's sloppy on their part.
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Post by xerrai on Mar 10, 2017 18:33:55 GMT
I guess they did not put it in because they may not have thought that far ahead or they didn't want it to conflict with the character they wanted to portray. I think the writers tried too hard to make her a Marry Sue who is also a badass. But at the same time contrary to what some players (particularly pro-mage players) would expect. She is a character who can never be challenged by the player, and all attempts to do so are usually only to highlight Vivienne's political swagger. Her flaws, while existent, are only limited to personality and little else. No matter the odds against her she always comes out on top. While some of them were great to look at and even inspirational at times, sometimes her later achievements border on the absurd (for instance, becoming Divine or becoming Grand Enchanter when the CoE does not exist to siphon off those who would be against a traditional Grand Enchanter). Her over-abundance of excellence is such that it is actually a blessing that she has the boon of having a 'bitchy' personality to balance her out. Otherwise she would be a textbook definition of a marry sue with few redeemable flaws to humanize her. Ironically, even though her personality flaw does loads to keep her from being overly perfect, that the writers keep us from actually looking beyond it has the side effect of making her hard to explore as a character. The only exception of course being the scene with Duke Ghislain or dialogue with Cole. The result is a character that few can sympathize with. That's still no excuse. They could've done better with Vivienne if they wanted to and they have plenty of chances to put more into her but they didn't. And I want to know about her early life, about her parents, and what trials she had to go through as a mage. They could've but they didn't and that's sloppy on their part. I didn't say it was an excuse, I just said that was a possible line of thought. I wanted to explore her character further myself only to find that the game would not allow it. But it is what it is.
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Post by skeksi on Mar 31, 2017 12:05:01 GMT
I liked Vivienne as a character (despite disagreeing with her at every opportunity, and supporting Leliana for Divine), but I feel like she could have been given a more fleshed out background by the writers.
I can sort of understand where her views on the Circles and Mages come from. The player (and some of the other characters) have seen how badly wrong the system can go - the threat of annulment to the Circle in Fereldan, the abuses of the Templars in Kirkwall just pushing the mages towards more dangerous magic, etc. - but the way Vivienne tells it, the Circle she grew up in was largely peaceful and pleasant. She was able to study, she was given a large degree of freedom to travel. Eventually, her position in the Circle enabled her to rise up the ranks and reach the Orlesian Court, gave her a lover that she adored. The Circles have been good to Vivienne, and whilst she does admit that there were abuses in other Circles, and even that she herself met some pretty unpleasant templars, overall her experience is very different to that of Hawke, Orsino, or even Wynne- who also sees the positives in the Circles. But also - and I feel that this is where the writing could have gone into more detail - she has been raised in the Circle since she was a young child. She has grown up being told that mages are a danger, that SHE is a danger, that she could potentially become an abomination. She doesn't just talk about other mages being a danger, she most emphatically includes herself, and a Mage Inquisitor. That has to have an effect on someone, growing up being told they are a danger that needs to be controlled?
Given these two factors, it's not entirely surprising that she believes that the Circles are both necessary, and a force for good - maybe in need of some minor tweaking, perhaps more oversight of the Templars? But certainly not in need of being massively changed or cast aside entirely. It would have been nice if there had been some options to change her mind- perhaps a loyalty mission based around delving into her backstory a bit, and convincing her she doesn't need to be afraid of herself, rather than about her lover who we never see before or again - I really felt like Viv's mission fell a bit flat. But I guess the problem with that would be that it might interfere with the choice for Divine being between Traditionalist-Vivienne, Radical Reformer-Leliana and Small and Gradual Change - Cassandra. But that does mean that Vivienne stays quite static as a character, IMO.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 31, 2017 13:17:38 GMT
I liked Vivienne as a character (despite disagreeing with her at every opportunity, and supporting Leliana for Divine), but I feel like she could have been given a more fleshed out background by the writers. I can sort of understand where her views on the Circles and Mages come from. The player (and some of the other characters) have seen how badly wrong the system can go - the threat of annulment to the Circle in Fereldan, the abuses of the Templars in Kirkwall just pushing the mages towards more dangerous magic, etc. - but the way Vivienne tells it, the Circle she grew up in was largely peaceful and pleasant. She was able to study, she was given a large degree of freedom to travel. Eventually, her position in the Circle enabled her to rise up the ranks and reach the Orlesian Court, gave her a lover that she adored. The Circles have been good to Vivienne, and whilst she does admit that there were abuses in other Circles, and even that she herself met some pretty unpleasant templars, overall her experience is very different to that of Hawke, Orsino, or even Wynne- who also sees the positives in the Circles. But also - and I feel that this is where the writing could have gone into more detail - she has been raised in the Circle since she was a young child. She has grown up being told that mages are a danger, that SHE is a danger, that she could potentially become an abomination. She doesn't just talk about other mages being a danger, she most emphatically includes herself, and a Mage Inquisitor. That has to have an effect on someone, growing up being told they are a danger that needs to be controlled? Given these two factors, it's not entirely surprising that she believes that the Circles are both necessary, and a force for good - maybe in need of some minor tweaking, perhaps more oversight of the Templars? But certainly not in need of being massively changed or cast aside entirely. It would have been nice if there had been some options to change her mind- perhaps a loyalty mission based around delving into her backstory a bit, and convincing her she doesn't need to be afraid of herself, rather than about her lover who we never see before or again - I really felt like Viv's mission fell a bit flat. But I guess the problem with that would be that it might interfere with the choice for Divine being between Traditionalist-Vivienne, Radical Reformer-Leliana and Small and Gradual Change - Cassandra. But that does mean that Vivienne stays quite static as a character, IMO. Vivienne's old enough. You hardly can change a such an old person's ideology, not mentioned, that the Circle corrupted her mind, just as Wynne's, in fact probably more (Wynne was an orphan, she seems the Circle as her home, but Vivienne has parents – probably was very young when kidnapped). Despite this, I like Wynne (I speak about only DAO, I didn't read the Asunder), but I can't bear Vivienne. (I tried, I gave her chance, but when she speak... aw, horrible, her voice sounds insincere)
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Post by phoray on Mar 31, 2017 15:40:39 GMT
I finally have something nice to say about Vivienne. her hate is delicious and makes her a better character. I never want to be her friend again.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 31, 2017 18:57:24 GMT
The thing about Vivienne is that whilst she wasn't born into nobility, she now has the attitude of someone from the ruling class when it comes to Circles. It has been made absolutely clear since DAO that the nobility do have different treatment in the system. Connor may have to have entered the Circle and given up his claim to his father's title and estates but he was treated better than commoner children once there. The same was true of Bethany and Emile de Launcet. He might have complained about being sent to the Circle but he was still allowed to keep contact with his family, just as Connor and Bethany do. There was a codex in MoA describing the experience of one of the First Enchanters in Orlais who came from a noble family; how she had handpicked Templars to watch over her, used her family's influence to gain her position and then spent the rest of her time away from the Circle Tower on the family estate, doing nothing for her fellow mages.
This latter story sounds a lot like Vivienne's progress to Court Enchanter. It should not be forgotten that Vivienne could have been voted in as Grand Enchanter instead of Fiona but clearly was either not interested in the position at that time or the other mages realised she would do nothing for them that did not benefit herself. That is what chiefly annoyed me about her defence of the Circle system, since she seemed to completely ignore the experience of mages like Anders or Ella, who were from a peasant background and were stolen away from their families, never to see them again, whether that was the wish of the family or not. Then they can be transferred to any Circle at the whim of those in charge, no matter what their own views are on the matter.
I don't think anyone would deny the need for proper training of young mages; Tevinter are in favour of open Circles for the purpose after all. Even if mages aren't the risk to the general populace that the Chantry would maintain, it would certainly be sensible to have oversight of more dangerous magical research, as evidenced at Adamant in Asunder. It is the inhumane treatment of those mages from the lower ranks in society, who have no one to appeal to and no family to complain to those in authority, that Vivienne seems to totally ignore when extolling the virtues of the Circle. If she becomes Divine, whilst she appears to make life better for mages, it is admitted that she is the one controlling their advancement and it would seem she does nothing for the less ambitious mages who just want a normal life.
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Post by xerrai on Mar 31, 2017 23:02:43 GMT
The thing about Vivienne is that whilst she wasn't born into nobility, she now has the attitude of someone from the ruling class when it comes to Circles. It has been made absolutely clear since DAO that the nobility do have different treatment in the system. Connor may have to have entered the Circle and given up his claim to his father's title and estates but he was treated better than commoner children once there. The same was true of Bethany and Emile de Launcet. He might have complained about being sent to the Circle but he was still allowed to keep contact with his family, just as Connor and Bethany do. There was a codex in MoA describing the experience of one of the First Enchanters in Orlais who came from a noble family; how she had handpicked Templars to watch over her, used her family's influence to gain her position and then spent the rest of her time away from the Circle Tower on the family estate, doing nothing for her fellow mages. This latter story sounds a lot like Vivienne's progress to Court Enchanter. It should not be forgotten that Vivienne could have been voted in as Grand Enchanter instead of Fiona but clearly was either not interested in the position at that time or the other mages realised she would do nothing for them that did not benefit herself. That is what chiefly annoyed me about her defence of the Circle system, since she seemed to completely ignore the experience of mages like Anders or Ella, who were from a peasant background and were stolen away from their families, never to see them again, whether that was the wish of the family or not. Then they can be transferred to any Circle at the whim of those in charge, no matter what their own views are on the matter. [...] I think it was a combination of both. Ever since DAO we have heard of the Libertarian fraternity growing, and have been making bids in Circle politics. Either because of the desire for freedom or drastic Circle reform was becoming more and more desired as time went on. And even though Chantry-relations often take precedent when selecting a First Enchanter (usually appointed by a predecessor who acted as liaison to the Chantry/templar or even appointed by Knight commanders) it is pretty telling that Fiona was elected at all. After all, it was no secret that Fiona had radical views, and the very fact she even attained the position means that Libertarian sentiment held a decent sway over the gathered First Enchanters that elected her. I'm sure Vivienne saw that political climate, and knew that if she did make a bid for Grand Enchanter she would not succeed. This is something she makes note of in the main game too, as she claims the mage rebellion resulted from "a lack of perspective that infected Circle leadership" (<--likely referring to the First Enchanters or other Enchanters). The only time she does become Grand Enchanter is either when a new arcane institution siphons off libertarian-sympathetic mages or she pushes these mages away from Circle politics. Basically her victory is reliant on shutting off any and all opposition, only for that victory to turn out to be not so victorious as these shut-off mages make their own arcane institution anyway (College of Enchanters). I always found it curious how often she accused the rebel mages of having a "lack of perspective" when she herself is guilty of the same thing.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Apr 3, 2017 0:33:47 GMT
I disagree. I think Vivienne's lack of acknowledgement of the darker elements of the Circle is her deliberately trying to manipulate the Inquisitor into helping restore it. Vivienne's support of the Circles, the Chantry and Orlais all come from the fact those institutions directly benefit her and are her only roads to power, which is why she has to demonize any attempt to reorder them or remove them (ex - The Dalish, The Avvar, The Rebel Mages, etc). I'm not saying that I think Vivienne is a monster or a sociopath. She genuinely seems to care about her paramour and Circle mage in Ostwick that got killed, and she sadly talks about the death of the tranquil and the lost elven empire. That said that compassion doesn't transfer into acknowledging that Rebel Mages have a point. To do so would mess with her bottom line which is gaining as much political power that she can.
Vivienne is Orlesian to the core and her Machiavellian self-interest is a fundamental part of her character. So her not really talking that much about how the Chantry and the Templars were kind of jerks is her just playing the Game and thinking about what primarily helps her.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Apr 3, 2017 0:59:46 GMT
Oh, uh, I have a question. Does Vivienne saying anything about Briala? I can't imagine that she supports her rebellion but it would nice to find out what exactly she thinks of her.
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Post by xerrai on Apr 3, 2017 17:21:41 GMT
Oh, uh, I have a question. Does Vivienne saying anything about Briala? I can't imagine that she supports her rebellion but it would nice to find out what exactly she thinks of her. Overall I don't think Vivienne thinks much of her. After all, elves do not exactly have a reputation for amounting to anything of worth in Orlesian politics beyond being a servant. That is not to say she thinks of Briala poorly or anything, but overall I don't think Vivienne is concerned for the elves. The only time she indirectly comments on Briala at all is when Briala attains a formal title: "It took a great deal of skill to win that title for the elves, but you surely know it will end in a bloodbath." So I'd say she is indifferent on the subject. Even if only because she believes that there is no way for the elves to make a long-term gain because of long-standing prejudice and racism that pervades the Orlesian court. And it's not like she's wrong, either. But for the most part, elves are irrelevant for her.
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Post by mattjamho on Apr 22, 2017 19:28:12 GMT
Vivienne is, without a doubt, my favorite DA companion.
However, I really wish they'd have tied her into the Wicked Hearts quest line. Vivienne is easily our greatest link to the Imperial Court, but she has zero impact on it. Perhaps it would only unlock once you recruit her? At the very least, a simple '+20 court approval' for arriving with the Imperial Enchanter. Sera gets a side quest while we're there but Vivienne doesn't?
If the Divine shows up in the next game, Vivienne best have a real impact. I'd love to see a befriended Divine wade into battle to take down you-know-who. And you just know Vivienne would want to be there to smack down the unwashed apostate;)
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Post by Walter Black on Apr 22, 2017 21:00:28 GMT
I agree with everything except the bolded part. In general I oppose any Companion being mandatory, as it railroads player motives. I don't remember Sera having a side quest in Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts, care to elaborate? I agree that bringing Vivienne should have affected court approval, but so should every other Companion. Yes, even Cole's unseen antics . I don't care how powerful and capable she is, it would be suicide for any of the Divines to set foot in Tevinter controlled lands. Much better to have a new or ascended character relate what they are up to.
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Post by mattjamho on Apr 22, 2017 21:58:20 GMT
I agree with everything except the bolded part. In general I oppose any Companion being mandatory, as it railroads player motives. I don't remember Sera having a side quest in Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts, care to elaborate? I agree that bringing Vivienne should have affected court approval, but so should every other Companion. Yes, even Cole's unseen antics . I don't care how powerful and capable she is, it would be suicide for any of the Divines to set foot in Tevinter controlled lands. Much better to have a new or ascended character relate what they are up to. While I agree mandorty companions aren't a great solution for role-playing reasons, I do feel that they help create a more solid, tightly woven story... Sera gives the Inquisitor the locations of various stashes around the palace, placed there by the red jennys, if I remember correctly. Oh, of course it would be! But I imagine the Solas take down takes part in the fade or perhaps through the eluvians. If the Inquisitor and his allies are involved with it, and I damn well hope they are, I'm sure the Divide would find a way to be involved. None of them are the type to sit back and let others take the lead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 13:48:46 GMT
She is too stylish to dislike, I love her
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Post by fylimar on Apr 29, 2017 8:15:17 GMT
I really like her character. I don't have my companions to share my values or agreeing with everything I say. Viv has her own opinion about life, the Circles and the rest and that is ok. Some parts I do agree with others not. Mostly my characters go along with her just fine basically by saying, they want to end the chaos the mage/templar war brought, despite allying the mages. She reminds me a bit of a favorite character from 'A song of ice and fire': the Queen of Thorns. Maybe that is the main reason, I like Viv so much. And I have to say it as a straight woman: She is one of the most beautiful characters in the game for me, if she could be romanced, I would go for it.
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Post by mattjamho on Apr 30, 2017 18:31:28 GMT
And I have to say it as a straight woman: She is one of the most beautiful characters in the game for me, if she could be romanced, I would go for it. As a gay guy, I'm still bitter she wasn't a romance option They'd have had to change her personal story a little, to get the Duke out of the picture,(perhaps he died a few years ago) but I imagine from Vivienne's opportunistic viewpoint, making a lover out of a human Noble Inquisitor would be very advantageous. At least that is how it would start out, and then she'd realize she actually loves them. I'd have preferred Vivienne's personal quest to have been about her position as First Enchanter, perhaps helping her purging her tower of abominations, or resolving a stalemate between Montsimmard's mages and templars. Her current one was really poor in my opinion, especially compared to Cassandra's, Varric's, or Dorian's.
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Post by fylimar on May 1, 2017 10:18:33 GMT
And I have to say it as a straight woman: She is one of the most beautiful characters in the game for me, if she could be romanced, I would go for it. As a gay guy, I'm still bitter she wasn't a romance option They'd have had to change her personal story a little, to get the Duke out of the picture,(perhaps he died a few years ago) but I imagine from Vivienne's opportunistic viewpoint, making a lover out of a human Noble Inquisitor would be very advantageous. At least that is how it would start out, and then she'd realize she actually loves them. I'd have preferred Vivienne's personal quest to have been about her position as First Enchanter, perhaps helping her purging her tower of abominations, or resolving a stalemate between Montsimmard's mages and templars. Her current one was really poor in my opinion, especially compared to Cassandra's, Varric's, or Dorian's. You are right with both. She would have been an interesting romance option and she has the most boring companion quest. I like the scenes following that quest, when she received the relatives of her dead lover and she gives us a glimpse in the personality of the real Vivienne behind the mask, but the quest per se was a let down.
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Post by xerrai on May 4, 2017 17:57:57 GMT
As a gay guy, I'm still bitter she wasn't a romance option They'd have had to change her personal story a little, to get the Duke out of the picture,(perhaps he died a few years ago) but I imagine from Vivienne's opportunistic viewpoint, making a lover out of a human Noble Inquisitor would be very advantageous. At least that is how it would start out, and then she'd realize she actually loves them. I'd have preferred Vivienne's personal quest to have been about her position as First Enchanter, perhaps helping her purging her tower of abominations, or resolving a stalemate between Montsimmard's mages and templars. Her current one was really poor in my opinion, especially compared to Cassandra's, Varric's, or Dorian's. You are right with both. She would have been an interesting romance option and she has the most boring companion quest. I like the scenes following that quest, when she received the relatives of her dead lover and she gives us a glimpse in the personality of the real Vivienne behind the mask, but the quest per se was a let down. To a degree I agree too but I honestly thought it was pretty thematic that her personal quest included the Ghislain family and not the Circle. Most of her career/character was less about the mages or Circle, and more about herself. Of overcoming limitations and fighting to escape the usual Circle system in a world that is hostile to mages. I half expected her personal quest to be about fighting nobles who wanted to push her out of the court and back into the Circle now that her standing as Ghislain's Mistress is basically null.
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Post by ryderflynn on May 16, 2017 12:09:34 GMT
Just recruited Vivienne, and during the initial conversation with her, I already want her as a romance option, despite this being my first pt. lol She killed a guy in public eye for me without question, after all, and she's only just met me. Badass. The mask looks kinda cool, and she's bald to add too? Not very often do we get bald females in the game, so this makes for a refreshing change. I can find some appeal in a bald haircut myself.
And no, her bulging boobs might or might not have to do with her attraction... maybe
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