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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2021 1:00:02 GMT
If they want back to roots of mass effect. maybe Great! Back to Shepard and co. it is, then. It would be better than having little duck and co.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2021 1:03:53 GMT
While I can understand the reasoning of ‘BioWare didn’t make any new good characters recently, so it’d be best to stick with old ones’, expecially in regards of the OT (and the fact they despite what they stated, Liara is still back. The fact that they can use a centuries-long timejump to justify that isn’t that great), it’s perfectly possible for BioWare to bring back the old cast of the OT in all its glory and ruin it. If you don’t trust the devs’ writings, having a new or old cast isn’t going to change much until BioWare proves to you that they can write compelling characters.
I’d prefer a mix of old and new, overall, if the old isn’t just Liara. I hope the number of squadmates is around 6, though.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 1:10:16 GMT
While I can understand the reasoning of ‘BioWare didn’t make any new good characters recently, so it’d be best to stick with old ones’, expecially in regards of the OT (and the fact they despite what they stated, Liara is still back. The fact that they can use a centuries-long timejump to justify that isn’t that great), it’s perfectly possible for BioWare to bring back the old cast of the OT in all its glory and ruin it. If you don’t trust the devs’ writings, having a new or old cast isn’t going to change much until BioWare proves to you that they can write compelling characters. I’d prefer a mix of old and new, overall, if the old isn’t just Liara. I hope the number of squadmates is around 6, though. Here's the thing, though. Even mediocre writing, which Bioware excels at, is going to have a different impact to the audience, coming from characters they already have a relationship with. It's how we work, as humans. In real life, you behave differently and accept behaviour differently when it comes to friends, vs strangers. The same thing that your friend will say, you may not take from a stranger. In fact, you might dislike that stranger, over something that, if it came from your friend, you'd burst out laughing.
We already have the relationship with the MET characters. There's a very good chance we'll just reject the new characters, for that reason. And it's not a fault, or a problem with us. That's just humans. The problem is only Bioware's. One that they haven't overcome. And, frankly, people are sick of putting the effort behind every title, just to be disappointed.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 8, 2021 1:31:35 GMT
In fact i would prefer a new squad and a new player character if we're going back to the Milky Way.
I'd be happy enough playing playing Ryder or someone new if we continue in Andromeda, but I really don't want to play Shepard again.
I want my Shepards to rest in peace or live happily ever after, as the case may be. They had their trilogy, achieved their goal, and went through hell doing it. Their story feels complete. I'm particularly not interested in seeing them resurrected or cloned to continue fighting.
The mass effect universe is more than Shepard to me and there's plenty of interesting stories that can be told in it, stories that I'd like to see. Whereas if they announce they're bringing Shepard back for a sequel my interest will plummet, and I probably won't get it.
I'd also personally prefer a time skip to when the galaxy has settled into its new configuration. With new alliances, wars, enemies and aliens (and Shepards decisions are far enough in the past to not have to be constantly contradicted). Rather then a rebuilding immediately after me3 story. But I'm open to seeing what they do with the story.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 1:37:09 GMT
I want my Shepards to rest in peace or live happily ever after, Neither of those happen. They had their trilogy, achieved their goal Mine didn't. The mass effect universe is more than Shepard Sure. And the Half Life universe is more than Gordon Freeman. People want more Gordon Freeman. I'd also personally prefer a time skip to when the galaxy has settled into its new configuration. With new alliances, wars, enemies and aliens (and Shepards decisions are far enough in the past to not have to be constantly contradicted). Rather then a rebuilding immediately after me3 story. I'm for exactly the opposite.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2021 2:15:49 GMT
While I can understand the reasoning of ‘BioWare didn’t make any new good characters recently, so it’d be best to stick with old ones’, expecially in regards of the OT (and the fact they despite what they stated, Liara is still back. The fact that they can use a centuries-long timejump to justify that isn’t that great), it’s perfectly possible for BioWare to bring back the old cast of the OT in all its glory and ruin it. If you don’t trust the devs’ writings, having a new or old cast isn’t going to change much until BioWare proves to you that they can write compelling characters. I’d prefer a mix of old and new, overall, if the old isn’t just Liara. I hope the number of squadmates is around 6, though. Here's the thing, though. Even mediocre writing, which Bioware excels at, is going to have a different impact to the audience, coming from characters they already have a relationship with. It's how we work, as humans. In real life, you behave differently and accept behaviour differently when it comes to friends, vs strangers. The same thing that your friend will say, you may not take from a stranger. In fact, you might dislike that stranger, over something that, if it came from your friend, you'd burst out laughing.
We already have the relationship with the MET characters. There's a very good chance we'll just reject the new characters, for that reason. And it's not a fault, or a problem with us. That's just humans. The problem is only Bioware's. One that they haven't overcome. And, frankly, people are sick of putting the effort behind every title, just to be disappointed.
That’s a reasonable take. I can’t say that I fully agree, in this regard: you are likely correct in your assessment in regards of the majority, one way or another (since it’s not only people that want NME to be a sequel to ME3, that want the old cast, but in regards of MEA, the people they want a sequel of that game want the return of its cast), but there are people that don’t agree with that assessment, and won’t tolerate bad character writing regardless if the characters we’re talking about are new or some of their favorites. I’m among those. If anything, I’ll be even more disappointed if they badly write characters then I love. To me, being new or old doesn’t matter, in the sense that I’m fine either if the writing is decent/good, and I’m not going to condone or have a slightly better view of bad writing if Miranda, Garrus, Jack, Wrex, Grunt, Tali or others are back. I can understand the reasoning of using the OT characters to help sell the game and make it more popular, overall, but I think that it won’t help BioWare in the longterm if the game isn’t good. Which I personally think it could happen either way. Of course, going new could very well alienate part of the fanbase (and in this case, groups of people that wanted a sequel of two different games), but that alone doesn’t mean the game would turn out to be good, and going for the old crew doesn’t mean the game might not end up mediocre. As I said, I’d like for the game to have a few returning squadmates, but I don’t think it’s going to happen, except of Liara.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 2:22:33 GMT
That’s a reasonable take. I can’t say that I fully agree, in this regard: you are likely correct in your assessment in regards of the majority, one way or another (since it’s not only people that want NME to be a sequel to ME3, that want the old cast, but in regards of MEA, the people they want a sequel of that game want the return of its cast), but there are people that don’t agree with that assessment, and won’t tolerate bad character writing regardless if the characters we’re talking about are new or some of their favorites. Well, we're not getting good writing, so what's next on the list? The best Bioware can do is mediocre. I’m among those. If anything, I’ll be even more disappointed if they badly write characters then I love. To me, being new or old doesn’t matter, in the sense that I’m fine either if the writing is decent/good, and I’m not going to condone or have a slightly better view of bad writing if Miranda, Garrus, Jack, Wrex, Grunt, Tali or others are back. Well, then you're not going to like it, either way. I can understand the reasoning of using the OT characters to help sell the game and make it more popular, overall, but I think that it won’t help BioWare in the longterm if the game isn’t good. Which I personally think it could happen either way. The game won't be good. We can take that out of the way. Of course, going new could very well alienate part of the fanbase (and in this case, groups of people that wanted a sequel of two different games), but that alone doesn’t mean the game would turn out to be good, and going for the old crew doesn’t mean the game might not end up mediocre. It's absolutely going to end up mediocre. As I said, I’d like for the game to have a few returning squadmates, but I don’t think it’s going to happen, except of Liara. I also think it's just going to be Liara.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2021 2:41:14 GMT
I don’t share your stance that the game/s BioWare will make are going to necessarily be mediocre. It doesn’t mean I expect them to be good, which is why I’m not going to buy either DA4 or NME at release (unless the former turns out to be great). While I’m interested in both franchise for past attachments and the lore, if I’d believe that the future games are going to be mediocre with mo possibility of them being better, there’s a chance I wouldn’t bother following news on them.
Although to be fair, I think that its possible we could very well end up disagreeing on them being mediocre, or not, or on our definition on being mediocre.
If they’ll be mediocre, yeah, I wouldn’t like them either way, which is why I’m fine in theory with both approaches, or a mix of them. I would say, though, for you expecially, that there are good chances that you might loathe NME more, if Miranda, Jack and other characters you loved are back and ruined. That doesn’t mean that I want to convince you to give the new crew a chance, to be clear. Expecially because it doesn’t matter, in the end. Since the first teaser, I didn’t think there were any chances for other characters to be back, other then Liara, if not for Wrex/Grunt. And even for those I wouldn’t bet on them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 10:31:19 GMT
I don’t share your stance that the game/s BioWare will make are going to necessarily be mediocre That's true. They could be worse. While I’m interested in both franchise for past attachments and the lore, if I’d believe that the future games are going to be mediocre with mo possibility of them being better, there’s a chance I wouldn’t bother following news on them. I'm not interested in DA4. I don't see any attachment from people toward this franchise. Most don't remember what Inquisition was about and also have no incline in replaying it to remind themselves. Seeing as how nobody even played the DLC, they don't even know what DA4 is about. I consider the DA franchise a complete waste of time. There is nothing that DA can do, to excite people. I would say, though, for you expecially, that there are good chances that you might loathe NME more, if Miranda, Jack and other characters you loved are back and ruined That would need to be intentional, at this point. You could write Will Continue to be as bad as Andromeda, but get a pass for the attachment to the old characters. It actively ruin them, though, they have to make it intentional. Which they are free to do, if they wish, but tearing down old characters, doesn't elevate new characters, it just tears the entire franchise down. If all they can do is ruin, then new or old, doesn't matter. Who is going to trust Bioware with anything, ever again? They need some good will and positive fan engagement. Which people are really not going to give freely, because Bioware put a bunch of nobodies in a new game, after their 7, if we include DA4, previous attempts failed. Even if Bioware is still a studio after that, the next ME won't be out, before 2033. Are you going to wait that long to maybe not get a bad Mass Effect? Will it even be reversible, at that point? The last controversy free ME will be 23 years behind it.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2021 10:58:04 GMT
I don’t share your stance that the game/s BioWare will make are going to necessarily be mediocre That's true. They could be worse. While I’m interested in both franchise for past attachments and the lore, if I’d believe that the future games are going to be mediocre with mo possibility of them being better, there’s a chance I wouldn’t bother following news on them. I'm not interested in DA4. I don't see any attachment from people toward this franchise. Most don't remember what Inquisition was about and also have no incline in replaying it to remind themselves. Seeing as how nobody even played the DLC, they don't even know what DA4 is about. I consider the DA franchise a complete waste of time. There is nothing that DA can do, to excite people. I would say, though, for you expecially, that there are good chances that you might loathe NME more, if Miranda, Jack and other characters you loved are back and ruined That would need to be intentional, at this point. You could write Will Continue to be as bad as Andromeda, but get a pass for the attachment to the old characters. It actively ruin them, though, they have to make it intentional. Which they are free to do, if they wish, but tearing down old characters, doesn't elevate new characters, it just tears the entire franchise down. If all they can do is ruin, then new or old, doesn't matter. Who is going to trust Bioware with anything, ever again? They need some good will and positive fan engagement. Which people are really not going to give freely, because Bioware put a bunch of nobodies in a new game, after their 7, if we include DA4, previous attempts failed. Even if Bioware is still a studio after that, the next ME won't be out, before 2033. Are you going to wait that long to maybe not get a bad Mass Effect? Will it even be reversible, at that point? The last controversy free ME will be 23 years behind it. I think it’d be best if you write ‘majority of people’, instead of people, because there are still people interested in the franchise and the next game. You can see it here, and on other forums/social media. You could very well be right in saying that there’s not much of them, and there might not be enough to make DA4 not a failure (commercially), but it’s not true that *nobody* is interested in it. Also, I’m a firm believer, in regards of any kind of game, that even if there’s not much interest at this point, the game could pick up stream if the footage and hands on that would come out whenever the game will be ready to be shown, are good. I mean this as a general rule. It could very well be that this won’t happen for DA4, but that’s another issue. I do think it’ll be hard to completely ruin established characters, but certain characters have…split fanbases un regards of the direction they’d go for. Miranda is the prime example of that, and Jack was one on a smaller scale as well. What one fan would find great, another would find terrible. I don’t think they’d intentionally ruin anything. Ruining could very well happen without being intentional, even if hard to do. Again though, it’s a moot point, as this isn’t what we’ll get.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 11:25:14 GMT
I think it’d be best if you write ‘majority of people’, instead of people, because there are still people interested in the franchise and the next game. I don't care about semantics. The people that do want this game, are not a viable population for this market segment. but it’s not true that *nobody* is interested in it. Effectively, it is true. Also, I’m a firm believer, in regards of any kind of game, that even if there’s not much interest at this point, the game could pick up stream if the footage and hands on that would come out whenever the game will be ready to be shown, are good. I mean this as a general rule. It could very well be that this won’t happen for DA4, but that’s another issue. Guardians of the Galaxy, which is admittedly a good game, with good reviews and good word of mouth, isn't selling. Exactly because it is a game that nobody asked for. Same for DA4. Even if DA4 is a good game, it is one that nobody is asking for, from a company that no one trusts. It's not going to pick up sales. This isn't 2010 anymore. I do think it’ll be hard to completely ruin established characters, but certain characters have…split fanbases un regards of the direction they’d go for. Miranda is the prime example of that, and Jack was one on a smaller scale as well. What one fan would find great, another would find terrible. If they fucked it up, they fucked it up, but at least they tried. What they are doing, is sticking their heads in the sand and pretending that nothing is wrong. Again though, it’s a moot point, as this isn’t what we’ll get. I know. Nobody is going to get what they want. Including Bioware.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 8, 2021 17:24:18 GMT
Are you excited to see a new cast? Yes? No? Why? Yes, new cast doesn't mean that the old characters won't return although apperantly the two Commander Shepard want to be part of ME5 (not sure if they are trying to misdirect the player base or they really don't form any role in the new game and Bioware is going with the Codex entry for the Shepard and take all negative comments to bury them under the rug while propping the ones praising them for doing so as well the extreme who chastised them and say all the negative comments are like those they showed as the game burns with 3/4 parts bugged and the 1/4 part which does work is on the cutting floor ready to be sold as DLC): www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamesradar.com/amp/commander-shepard-actors-jennifer-hale-and-mark-meer-want-to-come-back-for-mass-effect-5/
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 17:46:16 GMT
Yes, new cast doesn't mean that the old characters won't return It does mean that, though.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 8, 2021 18:28:42 GMT
Yes, new cast doesn't mean that the old characters won't return It does mean that, though. Not all of them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 18:31:25 GMT
It does mean that, though. Not all of them. Yes, we got Liara back. So all is forgiven?
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 8, 2021 18:45:53 GMT
Yes, we got Liara back. So all is forgiven? You forgot the secret character Bioware introduced in the first game and had a presence in all games and now will return (sarcasm). They could add: Grunt, EDI, Shepard Brat, Shepard who was put in stasis to survive and help defeat the new threat (think of it as something like what Bioware did with Hawkes, not the main character but a mentor figure to the new cast that can be controlled), Shepard LI who wasn't Liara, the rest of the crew who surprise: "we decided to do that to surprise you", the Ryder twins, Andromeda cast and more..... This is all speculation to the point even having the OG MAKO survive makes it a returning character as Bioware writes a lot ignoring their own problems.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 18:48:20 GMT
Yes, we got Liara back. So all is forgiven? You forgot the secret character Bioware introduced in the first game and had a presence in all games and now will return (sarcasm). They could add: Grunt, EDI, Shepard Brat, Shepard who was put in stasis to survive and help defeat the new threat (think of it as something like what Bioware did with Hawkes, not the main character but a mentor figure to the new cast that can be controlled), Shepard LI who wasn't Liara, the rest of the crew who surprise: "we decided to do that to surprise you", the Ryder twins, Andromeda cast and more..... This is all speculation to the point even having the OG MAKO survive makes it a returning character as Bioware writes a lot ignoring their own problems. They're not adding anyone else.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 8, 2021 19:02:06 GMT
You forgot the secret character Bioware introduced in the first game and had a presence in all games and now will return (sarcasm). They could add: Grunt, EDI, Shepard Brat, Shepard who was put in stasis to survive and help defeat the new threat (think of it as something like what Bioware did with Hawkes, not the main character but a mentor figure to the new cast that can be controlled), Shepard LI who wasn't Liara, the rest of the crew who surprise: "we decided to do that to surprise you", the Ryder twins, Andromeda cast and more..... This is all speculation to the point even having the OG MAKO survive makes it a returning character as Bioware writes a lot ignoring their own problems. They're not adding anyone else. A shame, a real shame if it ends up being true, another reason which I am glad to avoid it.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2021 19:45:40 GMT
I think it’d be best if you write ‘majority of people’, instead of people, because there are still people interested in the franchise and the next game. I don't care about semantics. The people that do want this game, are not a viable population for this market segment. but it’s not true that *nobody* is interested in it. Effectively, it is true. Also, I’m a firm believer, in regards of any kind of game, that even if there’s not much interest at this point, the game could pick up stream if the footage and hands on that would come out whenever the game will be ready to be shown, are good. I mean this as a general rule. It could very well be that this won’t happen for DA4, but that’s another issue. Guardians of the Galaxy, which is admittedly a good game, with good reviews and good word of mouth, isn't selling. Exactly because it is a game that nobody asked for. Same for DA4. Even if DA4 is a good game, it is one that nobody is asking for, from a company that no one trusts. It's not going to pick up sales. This isn't 2010 anymore. I do think it’ll be hard to completely ruin established characters, but certain characters have…split fanbases un regards of the direction they’d go for. Miranda is the prime example of that, and Jack was one on a smaller scale as well. What one fan would find great, another would find terrible. If they fucked it up, they fucked it up, but at least they tried. What they are doing, is sticking their heads in the sand and pretending that nothing is wrong. Again though, it’s a moot point, as this isn’t what we’ll get. I know. Nobody is going to get what they want. Including Bioware. If what you say is going is going to happen with DA4 and NME, meaning that even if they happen to be good games, they won’t sell enough to satisfy EA, then DA4 or NME will be the last games BioWare will make before being shut down. Regardless of the exposure of ME devs with tweets on the game and such, if DA4 will fail I think there’s still some chances BioWare will be shut down before NME is released, unless there’s some of agreement to at least wait for NME to be released, which I doubt. Also, GotG has to deal with some other issues in regards of popularity And sales, which are tied up with the other Marvel game on the market that might’ve ruined things for it. Also, I wouldn’t say GotG had a great marketing phase. People were expecting the game to be much, much worse then it is, so they didn’t market it that well.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2021 19:53:51 GMT
Also, GotG has to deal with some other issues in regards of popularity And sales, which are tied up with the other Marvel game on the market that might’ve ruined things for it. Also, I wouldn’t say GotG had a great marketing phase. People were expecting the game to be much, much worse then it is, so they didn’t market it that well. The same can be said of any Bioware property. All those other Bioware games, give Bioware games a bad name. If what you say is going is going to happen with DA4 and NME, meaning that even if they happen to be good games, they won’t sell enough to satisfy EA, then DA4 or NME will be the last games BioWare will make before being shut down. Regardless of the exposure of ME devs with tweets on the game and such, if DA4 will fail I think there’s still some chances BioWare will be shut down before NME is released, unless there’s some of agreement to at least wait for NME to be released, which I doubt. As I've said before, I dread each and every time Bioware releases anything. Even the LE was no exception and while people are glad to be able to play ME again on consoles, the feel I am getting is that they aren't satisfied with the quality. If EA decides to shut down Bioware, that will be something that Bioware brought on themselves. None of the things they released, are things the fanbase wanted, or the franchises needed. If they intend to fight their fanbase for a second decade, they are free to do so, if they remain alive long enough. I can only put my voice alongside the rest of the community and hope they listen. If they bring the company down, it's on them. Video games are a luxury product, I am not obligated to support them, unless I want them and I am also not the "Keep the lights on at Bioware" charity fund.
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Post by hoku on Nov 9, 2021 0:14:24 GMT
I‘d prefer not to have Shepard, OT squad and crew back, as much as I love many of them.
Ryder is a no go for me, unless older and most importantly without (shut the F*ck up) SAM. Not fond of MEA characters in general unless it‘s Kallo, Lexi, Drack and Kesh.
I‘d prefer all new protagonist, squad and crew.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 9, 2021 0:22:18 GMT
Loved many of the original trilogy characters but feel that’s where most should stay if as hoped it’s set well after shep’s time. Ryder and most of andromeda felt an outright failure to me. So yeah excited to have a fresh roll of the dice and see what they can come up with
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 0:25:23 GMT
I'm really in disbelief at the people asking for a new crew. I think the tune will change, once the next batch of bland forgettables land with DA4 and they are all shit. I don't understand the mentality that the new ones will be better, in any way. Bioware has not earned it.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 9, 2021 0:32:23 GMT
I'm really in disbelief at the people asking for a new crew. I think the tune will change, once the next batch of bland forgettables land with DA4 and they are all shit. I don't understand the mentality that the new ones will be better, in any way. Bioware has not earned it. I mean, it fits with Bioware constantly changing and adding things leaving them half baked.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 9, 2021 0:45:46 GMT
Also, GotG has to deal with some other issues in regards of popularity And sales, which are tied up with the other Marvel game on the market that might’ve ruined things for it. Also, I wouldn’t say GotG had a great marketing phase. People were expecting the game to be much, much worse then it is, so they didn’t market it that well. The same can be said of any Bioware property. All those other Bioware games, give Bioware games a bad name. If what you say is going is going to happen with DA4 and NME, meaning that even if they happen to be good games, they won’t sell enough to satisfy EA, then DA4 or NME will be the last games BioWare will make before being shut down. Regardless of the exposure of ME devs with tweets on the game and such, if DA4 will fail I think there’s still some chances BioWare will be shut down before NME is released, unless there’s some of agreement to at least wait for NME to be released, which I doubt. As I've said before, I dread each and every time Bioware releases anything. Even the LE was no exception and while people are glad to be able to play ME again on consoles, the feel I am getting is that they aren't satisfied with the quality. If EA decides to shut down Bioware, that will be something that Bioware brought on themselves. None of the things they released, are things the fanbase wanted, or the franchises needed. If they intend to fight their fanbase for a second decade, they are free to do so, if they remain alive long enough. I can only put my voice alongside the rest of the community and hope they listen. If they bring the company down, it's on them. Video games are a luxury product, I am not obligated to support them, unless I want them and I am also not the "Keep the lights on at Bioware" charity fund. I’m not saying you or anyone should support BioWare only for avoiding making them fall. What I’m saying is that if what you believe is correct, that the next games will be mediocre no matter what and regardless of its quality DA4 won’t sell well enough to satisfy EA, then EA will shut down BioWare long before NME will be released, so their decision to go for new or old crew will be moot. The game won’t be released either way. I also don’t think that going for a new protagonist or crew at this point, can be considered ‘fighting the fanbase’. Could it be a bad move? Definitely. But the OT ended, no matter what we think about its ending, years ago. Going in a different direction as they did with Andromeda and seemingly with NME could not be good moves for the company’s future, but they’re not made to piss off the fanbase or fight them off. On your point on the new crew on the following post, you have to realize that, here at least, a number of people don’t share your view on the crew of later games. They happen to like or love characters from DA2, DAI and MEA. If they liked or loved some of the new characters in those games, it’s obvious that they’d be fine with a new crew in NME. And also, possibly, for a few people, if the character writing will be bland (and that could happen with both new or old characters), then they don’t care about those being new or old. Or some aren’t interested in playing with Shepard and the crew again.
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