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Post by helios969 on Nov 28, 2022 13:21:07 GMT
Bioware romances have become the biggest waste of limited resources and the biggest point of fighting...arguing over fake videogame romances has always been a headscratcher for me. I hope they revert to DA2's playersexual approach so they're maximizing fan satisfaction without sacrificing other more important elements of the game experience. My 2-cents for whatever it's worth.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 28, 2022 18:28:20 GMT
Bioware romances have become the biggest waste of limited resources and the biggest point of fighting...arguing over fake videogame romances has always been a headscratcher for me. I hope they revert to DA2's playersexual approach so they're maximizing fan satisfaction without sacrificing other more important elements of the game experience. My 2-cents for whatever it's worth. Or better yet, don't do romances at all.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 28, 2022 18:35:42 GMT
Bioware romances have become the biggest waste of limited resources and the biggest point of fighting...arguing over fake videogame romances has always been a headscratcher for me. I hope they revert to DA2's playersexual approach so they're maximizing fan satisfaction without sacrificing other more important elements of the game experience. My 2-cents for whatever it's worth. Or better yet, don't do romances at all. No.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 28, 2022 18:38:12 GMT
Or better yet, don't do romances at all. No. And why not? It'd solve the whole issue with the pointless arguments about who is the better arguments.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 28, 2022 18:40:35 GMT
And why not? It'd solve the whole issue with the pointless arguments about who is the better arguments. I don't think completely removing one of the best selling optional features in Bioware games lots of players enjoy is the best way to solve some pointless arguing on the internet. Personally, I like the romances and I say if you don't like them simply skip them. You may say resources would be better spent elsewhere but...eh - its a Bioware game. Romances are a big seller in Bioware games, that's the way it has been since Dragon Age origins in 2009. (Some may even say since Baldurs Gate 2?) Developers mentioned that romances are a well liked well received feature several times, big polls showed it numerous times as well etc.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 28, 2022 20:36:05 GMT
And why not? It'd solve the whole issue with the pointless arguments about who is the better arguments. I don't think completely removing one of the best selling optional features in Bioware games lots of players enjoy is the best way to solve some pointless arguing on the internet. Personally, I like the romances and I say if you don't like them simply skip them. You may say resources would be better spent elsewhere but...eh - its a Bioware game. Romances are a big seller in Bioware games, that's the way it has been since Dragon Age origins in 2009. (Some may even say since Baldurs Gate 2?) Developers mentioned that romances are a well liked well received feature several times, big polls showed it numerous times as well etc. But sometimes it is not optional (looking at you DA2, ME3 and MEA), and tries to hamfist the player into romancing a character. I know because I've done play throughs where I never romanced anyone.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 28, 2022 21:24:01 GMT
I don't think completely removing one of the best selling optional features in Bioware games lots of players enjoy is the best way to solve some pointless arguing on the internet. Personally, I like the romances and I say if you don't like them simply skip them. You may say resources would be better spent elsewhere but...eh - its a Bioware game. Romances are a big seller in Bioware games, that's the way it has been since Dragon Age origins in 2009. (Some may even say since Baldurs Gate 2?) Developers mentioned that romances are a well liked well received feature several times, big polls showed it numerous times as well etc. But sometimes it is not optional (looking at you DA2, ME3 and MEA), and tries to hamfist the player into romancing a character. I know because I've done play throughs where I never romanced anyone. Which of those games doesn’t have it be optional? Sometimes people hit on you, and if you’re not interested you let them know. Every time you do, they never bring it up again so hardly trying to hamfist you.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 28, 2022 22:00:46 GMT
But sometimes it is not optional (looking at you DA2, ME3 and MEA), and tries to hamfist the player into romancing a character. I know because I've done play throughs where I never romanced anyone. Which of those games doesn’t have it be optional? Sometimes people hit on you, and if you’re not interested you let them know. Every time you do, they never bring it up again so hardly trying to hamfist you.
None of those games hamfist you into a romance. What they have is characters that are flirty with Hawke, Shepard, and Ryder but if you tell them that you're not interested in them they basically leave you alone. Most cases Hawke, Shepard, and Ryder have to actually start the romance.
And just to make this crystal clear: Just because someone flirts with you doesn't mean they want to have sex with you! Both in games and in real life!
I mean Dorian and the female Inquistor can flirt all of the time and when his sexuality is revealed Dorian asks you want him to stop flirting or you can tell him it's OK to continue flirting with you. Again it's the player's choice. Now if you don't want to flirt with characters like Dorian, Isabela, Vega, and Peebee fine then don't click on the heart icon in dialogue wheel and/or only talk to them when absolutely it's necessary. It'll save both you and me a lot of time and headaches. If they're dialogue makes you uncomfortable then maybe you should play other kinds of games from other companies.
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 29, 2022 2:29:41 GMT
They were ridiculously cagey over the m/m romances, and only the m/m romances. Despite their claims to the contrary it was obviously because they knew they would catch hell over the complete lack of squad options. That was 5 years ago and now its almost 2023, the only romances they are going to be super cagy about now are the M/F romances. ProBoards really needs a downvote function.
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Post by GalentheYounger on Nov 29, 2022 3:18:00 GMT
Ah, the age old conundrum. People who hate romances in games, complaining about how it causes arguments/drama/'girl' stuff, then doing the exact same thing by calling people who enjoy the romances stupid, childish, immature, and saying they don't belong, and starting arguments when nobody was arguing in the first place. The circle of life.
I'll say something hateful to many here. If DA:D did not have romances, I wouldn't play it, point blank. Is that an unpopular opinion? Sure! Probably very few agree with me. But for me, it's an important part of dragon age, and an already optional one. It's a way to get close to certain characters and really, truly RP your character in a meaningful way. This is of course, my opinion, and I recognize that.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 29, 2022 4:24:49 GMT
Ah, the age old conundrum. People who hate romances in games, complaining about how it causes arguments/drama/'girl' stuff, then doing the exact same thing by calling people who enjoy the romances stupid, childish, immature, and saying they don't belong, and starting arguments when nobody was arguing in the first place. The circle of life. I'll say something hateful to many here. If DA:D did not have romances, I wouldn't play it, point blank. Is that an unpopular opinion? Sure! Probably very few agree with me. But for me, it's an important part of dragon age, and an already optional one. It's a way to get close to certain characters and really, truly RP your character in a meaningful way. This is of course, my opinion, and I recognize that. Funny, that goes both ways you know. But you get used to it. As they say "same shit, different day".
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Post by helios969 on Nov 29, 2022 11:18:59 GMT
Bioware romances have become the biggest waste of limited resources and the biggest point of fighting...arguing over fake videogame romances has always been a headscratcher for me. I hope they revert to DA2's playersexual approach so they're maximizing fan satisfaction without sacrificing other more important elements of the game experience. My 2-cents for whatever it's worth. Or better yet, don't do romances at all. Oooh, the riots that would ensue...might be worth it for the entertainment value. But alas, it won't happen. I don't mind romance inclusion, but I loath all the "why can't we have 15 different orientations/preferences included" mentality. It's a resource suck.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 29, 2022 15:32:42 GMT
That was 5 years ago and now its almost 2023, the only romances they are going to be super cagy about now are the M/F romances. ProBoards really needs a downvote function. An ''I fail to understand this sarcasm''-button would be a much better idea IMHO, it would quickly become an extremely popular feature around here for sure. Ah, the age old conundrum. People who hate romances in games, complaining about how it causes arguments/drama/'girl' stuff, then doing the exact same thing by calling people who enjoy the romances stupid, childish, immature, and saying they don't belong, and starting arguments when nobody was arguing in the first place. The circle of life. I'll say something hateful to many here. If DA:D did not have romances, I wouldn't play it, point blank. Is that an unpopular opinion? Sure! Probably very few agree with me. But for me, it's an important part of dragon age, and an already optional one. It's a way to get close to certain characters and really, truly RP your character in a meaningful way. This is of course, my opinion, and I recognize that. I think romances in games such as the Dragon Age series is not just a funny little extra feature - it also makes a lot of sense in a setting like that. A group of people trusting each other and going through hardships like the protagonists and their companions eventually resulting in some romantic feelings is one of the most natural things ever. In fact it would be weird to have a mature fantasy story featuring deceit, violence, scheming, friendship, glory, magic and all that but no romance at all. Excluding exactly that because its suddenly immature, childish and a waste of resources is an argument I simply fail to understand. Like any other part of a story it just needs to be implemented properly and I think Bioware is not doing such a bad job at it.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 29, 2022 17:45:53 GMT
Or better yet, don't do romances at all. Oooh, the riots that would ensue...might be worth it for the entertainment value. But alas, it won't happen. I don't mind romance inclusion, but I loath all the "why can't we have 15 different orientations/preferences included" mentality. It's a resource suck. I'll get the popcorn. 😉
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 30, 2022 1:50:29 GMT
ProBoards really needs a downvote function. An ''I fail to understand this sarcasm''-button would be a much better idea IMHO, it would quickly become an extremely popular feature around here for sure. Recognizing sarcasm does not equate to finding sarcasm funny.
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Post by bierkrug on Nov 30, 2022 10:01:31 GMT
Or better yet, don't do romances at all. Oooh, the riots that would ensue...might be worth it for the entertainment value. But alas, it won't happen. I don't mind romance inclusion, but I loath all the "why can't we have 15 different orientations/preferences included" mentality. It's a resource suck. Just riots? Looking at some of the fanart accounts on tumblr that seem to exclusively upload drawings of their particular game love interest for years, I'd expect some full on heart attacks.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 30, 2022 11:01:56 GMT
An ''I fail to understand this sarcasm''-button would be a much better idea IMHO, it would quickly become an extremely popular feature around here for sure. Recognizing sarcasm does not equate to finding sarcasm funny. Well, sorry to hear that you dislike the sarcasm in my post, please accept my humble apologies. I hope we can still be friends. Oooh, the riots that would ensue...might be worth it for the entertainment value. But alas, it won't happen. I don't mind romance inclusion, but I loath all the "why can't we have 15 different orientations/preferences included" mentality. It's a resource suck. Just riots? Looking at some of the fanart accounts on tumblr that seem to exclusively upload drawings of their particular game love interest for years, I'd expect some full on heart attacks. I remember quite a few people using the super easy story-mode in Andromeda simply to play through all the romances (again and again). I can only imagine the fate of those players when they get the news that romances are cancelled. But to be serious, removing romances would probably just drive a lot of customers away for good.
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Post by puddingtheruthless on Dec 1, 2022 18:08:41 GMT
I think romances in games such as the Dragon Age series is not just a funny little extra feature - it also makes a lot of sense in a setting like that. A group of people trusting each other and going through hardships like the protagonists and their companions eventually resulting in some romantic feelings is one of the most natural things ever. In fact it would be weird to have a mature fantasy story featuring deceit, violence, scheming, friendship, glory, magic and all that but no romance at all. Excluding exactly that because its suddenly immature, childish and a waste of resources is an argument I simply fail to understand. Like any other part of a story it just needs to be implemented properly and I think Bioware is not doing such a bad job at it. Romance works well as an extension of story and characterization. It can really be a fun way to further enhance roleplaying. Example 1: Both my Mahariel and Zevran had lost someone close to them and were still dealing with the loss just in different ways. The two of them getting together (which happened late in my game) was part a new beginning for both Mahariel and Zevran and they both had to find a new life for themselves because they couldn't go back to their old one. The way their relationship developed over time (from distrustful to comrades to friends to romantic) made it my favorite DA romance and for once, I could enjoy a slow-burn romance that didn't suck. Example 2: I had a Hawke playthrough that played out like a greek tragedy - his life falling to disaster through a combination of his own flaws and circumstance. The Anders romance helped enhance that character's story because after he had lost Bethany to the Circle, Hawke became more embittered towards the templars and fell more in line with Anders' thinking. He tried to dial down his extremism because he became worried Anders was getting too willing to make a matyr of himself and the lines between him and Justice was blurring too much. When Anders blew up the Chantry, Hawke felt he was responsible for not seeing the signs and killed Anders (something he never recovered from) His appearance in Inquisition actually worked because he was alone, moody and had a poorly disguised death wish (btw he died)
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 1, 2022 22:54:14 GMT
And why not? It'd solve the whole issue with the pointless arguments about who is the better arguments. Just out of curiosity, why exactly do you dislike Bioware romances? Or video game romances in general?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 1, 2022 23:04:44 GMT
And why not? It'd solve the whole issue with the pointless arguments about who is the better arguments. Just out of curiosity, why exactly do you dislike Bioware romances? Or video game romances in general? Just Bioware romances. They feel rushed and half the time don't gel very well.
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