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Post by goishen on Nov 5, 2016 2:58:39 GMT
Ya know how everbody's been saying that we need to discharge our electrical charge every so often? What if, and I'm just spit balling here, but what if we put that electrical charge back into the Cryo system and helped keep our asses alive?
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Post by Nihilus on Nov 5, 2016 5:28:24 GMT
Why not, this is science fiction after all...
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 5, 2016 5:35:01 GMT
This is why I've been encouraging people to relax and wait to see what the writers invent. We spitball ideas all the time, like this repurposing energy idea (which is a cool scifi-type idea). A team of professional writers can come up with something, polish it up, and make it work.
Fanxiety is a real thing.
Edit: 500th post. Apotheosis achieved! Proboards set the bar low.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 5, 2016 5:52:10 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Since we arrived in the cluster, all this talk about discharges and impossibilities is moot.
I want to enjoy this new game unrestrained by lore, from the Shep universe.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 5, 2016 5:59:18 GMT
You would think the people in the ME universe, and by extension the writers, would have thought of something like that in the original trilogy if it was feasible, though. *shrug*
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 5, 2016 6:00:01 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Since we arrived in the cluster, all this talk about discharges and impossibilities is moot.
I want to enjoy this new game unrestrained by lore, from the Shep universe.
This is the thinking I've been trying to encourage, as so many are still hung up on minutiae. (Minutiae that may very well be addressed on Monday, I could add.) People will come around in their own time, but this has been a good week for giving the community a friendly, collective nudge in that direction. |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 5, 2016 6:02:24 GMT
You would think the people in the ME universe, and by extension the writers, would have thought of something like that in the original trilogy if it was feasible, though. *shrug* "In-game reply": We've never built vessels this big, previously. The energy sink/recycling technology could never have been implemented in vessels of smaller design; not even in dreadnoughts. "Real world reply": We never had to come up with a reason for this, previously. |
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 5, 2016 7:29:58 GMT
You would think the people in the ME universe, and by extension the writers, would have thought of something like that in the original trilogy if it was feasible, though. *shrug* ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ That is true if they were planning for a 4th video game. However, originally, the plan was for three and end there.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 5, 2016 9:25:22 GMT
The answer is: humanity. Turians, Salarians and Asari have had this problem for hundreds, even thousand of years. We can solve it in a few years.
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Post by Xerxes52 on Nov 5, 2016 9:59:17 GMT
The answer is: humanity. Turians, Salarians and Asari have had this problem for hundreds, even thousand of years. We can solve it in a few years. Well ME was basically Humanity is Special: The Trilogy. Looks like we're going into full on HFY territory with ME:A, not that I mind though. 
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Post by goishen on Nov 5, 2016 13:47:07 GMT
Well, it's not really that humans can solve anything. It's more that it'll solve more problems than just one. Say that we get only 15-20% of our energy needs to run cryo sleep. However, we also solve the problem of having to discharge the engines.
Look, there's a reason why we don't switch power sources constantly. AC to DC. Because it's REALLY inefficient.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 5, 2016 13:55:18 GMT
The thing is, if ships could use the charge as power, why wouldn't they have done it before? Why humanity could do in a few decades what others could do in a couple of millennia?
But this is just one problem with the Arks, and there is an ocean of them. My view, even if it's a bit cheap, the only way to properly explain the Arks being built is to have "outside" help.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 5, 2016 14:05:46 GMT
Why humanity could do in a few decades what others could do in a couple of millennia? That's what humanity does through all the trilogy, doesn't it? |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 5, 2016 14:14:28 GMT
You would think the people in the ME universe, and by extension the writers, would have thought of something like that in the original trilogy if it was feasible, though. *shrug* "In-game reply": We've never built vessels this big, previously. The energy sink/recycling technology could never have been implemented in vessels of smaller design; not even in dreadnoughts. "Real world reply": We never had to come up with a reason for this, previously. The thing is, if ships could use the charge as power, why wouldn't they have done it before? Why humanity could do in a few decades what others could do in a couple of millennia? But this is just one problem with the Arks, and there is an ocean of them. My view, even if it's a bit cheap, the only way to properly explain the Arks being built is to have "outside" help. I refer you to my earlier post, above quoted. It is easy enough to come up with an explanation as to why this technology wasn't used previously. This is a scifi story, and scifi answers work. I came up with the kernel of an idea in 5 seconds. They've had years to work on this. I'm willing to give them a chance to show us what they've come up with before deciding it can't be done. You're also making a lot of assumptions about the game that may prove to be untrue, such as the extent of the game's focus on humanity. Many have seized upon a relatively few comments made in developer interviews and run with them. We won't get our first true look at this game until Monday. I suspect that the story will be humancentric, but the technology that annoys you so will not be a solely human-driven achievement. We'll see. I hope you enjoy the game more than you seem to believe that you will. No matter how much you hate it, they're taking this thing to Andromeda, and new lore will be written to make it happen. The new stuff doesn't, of necessity, have to be garbage; but we do have to decide if we are willing to accept some change in order to play the game. |
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Post by ddraigcoch123 on Nov 5, 2016 15:09:51 GMT
"In-game reply": We've never built vessels this big, previously. The energy sink/recycling technology could never have been implemented in vessels of smaller design; not even in dreadnoughts. "Real world reply": We never had to come up with a reason for this, previously. The thing is, if ships could use the charge as power, why wouldn't they have done it before? Why humanity could do in a few decades what others could do in a couple of millennia? But this is just one problem with the Arks, and there is an ocean of them. My view, even if it's a bit cheap, the only way to properly explain the Arks being built is to have "outside" help. I refer you to my earlier post, above quoted. It is easy enough to come up with an explanation as to why this technology wasn't used previously. This is a scifi story, and scifi answers work. I came up with the kernel of an idea in 5 seconds. They've had years to work on this. I'm willing to give them a chance to show us what they've come up with before deciding it can't be done. You're also making a lot of assumptions about the game that may prove to be untrue, such as the extent of the game's focus on humanity. Many have seized upon a relatively few comments made in developer interviews and run with them. We won't get our first true look at this game until Monday. I suspect that the story will be humancentric, but the technology that annoys you so will not be a solely human-driven achievement. We'll see. I hope you enjoy the game more than you seem to believe that you will. No matter how much you hate it, they're taking this thing to Andromeda, and new lore will be written to make it happen. The new stuff doesn't, of necessity, have to be garbage; but we do have to decide if we are willing to accept some change in order to play the game. I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not coming up with guess's/suggestions or starting conversation's because I don't think the writers will come up with an explanation or that I'll hate it etc., I for one am doing it because its fun to speculate, its all we have at the moment.. and just on the off chance we get close to what the actual story solution ends up being well that will be pretty cool I can't wait and I'm pretty sure I can head cannon any connection I want with my Shep's MW or not depending on how the story rolls out And look I've said before on these boards that there won't be any 'real' connection with the trilogy, there can't be and I think we'll have a whole new cast of characters and adversaries (no lingering hangover from ME:MW) but you can't scrub my mind of what I already know and love about the ME universe that's why I'm still here so a nod to the past would be nice and they can do that without hauling emotional baggage or specifics into Andromeda  |
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Post by ddraigcoch123 on Nov 5, 2016 15:11:46 GMT
To the OP that's a pretty cool idea and very Sci Fi
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Post by Iakus on Nov 5, 2016 15:27:56 GMT
Ya know how everbody's been saying that we need to discharge our electrical charge every so often? What if, and I'm just spit balling here, but what if we put that electrical charge back into the Cryo system and helped keep our asses alive?
I'd wonder why the asari and salarians haven't figured that out in two thousand years of space exploration |
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Post by Iakus on Nov 5, 2016 15:32:47 GMT
This is why I've been encouraging people to relax and wait to see what the writers invent. We spitball ideas all the time, like this repurposing energy idea (which is a cool scifi-type idea). A team of professional writers can come up with something, polish it up, and make it work. Fanxiety is a real thing. Edit: 500th post. Apotheosis achieved! Proboards set the bar low. A team of professional writers also came up with the Crucible. I am not impressed  |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 5, 2016 15:37:53 GMT
Ya know how everbody's been saying that we need to discharge our electrical charge every so often? What if, and I'm just spit balling here, but what if we put that electrical charge back into the Cryo system and helped keep our asses alive?
I'd wonder why the asari and salarians haven't figured that out in two thousand years of space exploration They did, but the solution wouldn't fit into ships of practical size. Or... The Asari have been sitting on the solution for years. Greedy, tech-hoarding... (That one is really lame, I know.) Or... This was never an issue before they decided to take the story beyond the relay network, so there were bound to be issues. Maybe the writers will surprise us with a creative answer. (I'll admit I'm not holding my breath. Asspulls have been detected on long-range scanners. ETA 2 days.) I know I've been hammering away a bit too much on this, so I'll leave it alone for a while. |
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Post by themikefest on Nov 5, 2016 15:40:33 GMT
Ya know how everbody's been saying that we need to discharge our electrical charge every so often? What if, and I'm just spit balling here, but what if we put that electrical charge back into the Cryo system and helped keep our asses alive?
I'd wonder why the asari and salarians haven't figured that out in two thousand years of space exploration Simple One species cares more about dancing while the other species cares about uplifting other species. |
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Post by kino on Nov 5, 2016 15:47:32 GMT
Ya know how everbody's been saying that we need to discharge our electrical charge every so often? What if, and I'm just spit balling here, but what if we put that electrical charge back into the Cryo system and helped keep our asses alive?
At the end of the day that is as valid a plot device to use as anything else. |
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Nov 5, 2016 16:04:16 GMT
I'd like this tech to have nothing to do with element zero. Maybe the ftl tech came from the abandoned jump zero and doesn't need to be discharged but has some other side effects.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 5, 2016 16:09:23 GMT
I'd like this tech to have nothing to do with element zero. Maybe the ftl tech came from the abandoned jump zero and doesn't need to be discharged but has some other side effects. That would be better tech than that which is featured in every vessel in every fleet in the Milky Way, though. It would sort of undermine the whole "Mass Effect" thing, no? |
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Post by xeternalxdreams on Nov 5, 2016 16:15:11 GMT
I would be fine with this if they to explain it in a cutscene, codex, or something. If they could just move on from there and move forward with the story.
Don't get me wrong. I am not dismissing it. I'd love to know but I think if they come up with a legit/cool reason, I am ready to learn about other things in the new universe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 16:23:10 GMT
Ya know how everbody's been saying that we need to discharge our electrical charge every so often? What if, and I'm just spit balling here, but what if we put that electrical charge back into the Cryo system and helped keep our asses alive?
I'd wonder why the asari and salarians haven't figured that out in two thousand years of space exploration
Because the Asari are like the dude who maxes the physics 404 final exam ... we think, "what an awesomely smart person" ... until we learn he broke into the instructor's office and stole the test answers. The Asari didn't create anything that wasn't cribbed from the Prothean beacon. So if they didn't get the tech from the beacon, the analogue doesn't exist in all the "advanced" Asari technology. Ya know, when all you have time for in your first two hundreds years of life is to be a stripper or merc, it doesn't leave much time for actual scientific discovery and invention. Then you enter the matron stage and priorities change. And Matriarchs? Well, someone has to be in charge. No time for inventing "stuff" when you're running the joint. What if someone suggests a different paradigm for Asari society, well, let's just say they "laugh the blue off your ass."
The Salarians ... it's cultural as well as physiological. If the Dalatrass doesn't think it's a good idea, then the scientific inquiry into that area is strangled in the crib. With a lifespan ~1/4 of a human (in 2187), they have a different perspective. Long-term projects tend to not get funded, only those things that show potential in the near-term (relative to the Salarian lifespan) are seen to have value. What if someone suggests a different paradigm for Salarian society, well, let's just say they will connive, bribe, defeat by any means necessary, anyone daring to defy the hierarchy.
Think of it like a garden golden world ... Asari lifespan makes them complacent, Salarian lifespan makes them too impatient ... maybe humans hit the sweet spot ... plus a giant dose of not knowing when something is "impossible" and going after it anyway. Our brains are wired differently than the Asari or Salarian brains. We're just too "dumb" to know better. Or maybe we are better at connecting dots ... taking three, five, nine disparate concepts and combining them into something new.
Given how far humans advanced ... not quite, but nearly on par with the "superior" races after less than 100 years of space travel (with a big boost in capability after discovering the mass relay) ... these Asari and Salarians, with 2,000 years of space travel under their belts, are not the "super genius super races" you're looking for.
It's not like humans are "superior" ... there are things humans really suck at ... things Asari and Salarians do quite well ... like needing only facemasks in the vacuum of space. Even then, using human cloning technology and genetic modifications, we could achieve the same result with Miranda. Of course, like Morinth, she was sterile, so I guess she wasn't exactly the evolutionary destiny of the human race, just a genetically perfect Cerberus cheerleader bosh'tet.
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