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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 0:48:45 GMT
I don't think there's a best or worst romance option tbh. I like some romances more than other obviously but I can't say they are good or bad, just different options for different people. Morrigan is selfish, power hungry, cruel woman who doesn't care about anyone but herself unless Kieran exists or if the pc has a romance with her but she also shows love and sympathy sometimes especially to the warden. It's true that she leaves no matter what you do with the ritual but with WH she and the warden can have a happy little family (something that she actually enjoys). Leliana seduced and assassinated people but that doesn't make her a bad person. She was a bard but she is sweet and caring. Her past and beliefes doesn't matter. Merril is naive in general but very cute. And if you don't mind the blood magic then there's no problem. At least I don't care about it as long as it doesn't become an obsesion. Isabela. Yes, she is promiscuous and also alcoholic but you just made up the rest since there's nothing in game that suggest that Isabela has STDs or bad hygiene. What's the problem with a woman who likes to have sex? As long as she enjoys it then good for her. I don't like ''safe'' women in games nor real life. I find that rather boring. And all that ''marriage material'' is pretty stupid to me so I suppose I have it easier than others in this aspect. From 0:03 to 0:15
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Post by Domakir on Dec 4, 2016 8:52:25 GMT
It's ambiguous. It could be anything not just STDs so that scene proves nothing.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 5, 2016 0:00:57 GMT
I think what mostly helps is that Bioware learned to write characters better. And a bigger budget to do more in quantity and quality.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 5, 2016 0:10:46 GMT
It's ambiguous. It could be anything not just STDs so that scene proves nothing. Whatever, Isabela a great character. Much more than what she show at first sight. And As I heard, the the romance with her is worthy. Just as Friendship/rivalry with her.
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Post by phoray on Dec 5, 2016 0:40:33 GMT
Who cares if she gets STDs.
Someone losing their virginity can catch one their first time. Condoms prevent pregnancy, not disease.
I've had approximately 14 lovers in my life and all my panels have come back Negative for multiple years straight. Does that "erase" the high number?
That Isabella is less of a woman worth loving for pro actively having these hypothetical STDs treated is ridiculous.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Dec 25, 2016 1:04:42 GMT
Maybe it's because I have mommy issues, but a woman having red flags is a huge turn on for me.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 26, 2016 13:30:00 GMT
It's ambiguous. It could be anything not just STDs so that scene proves nothing. Whatever, Isabela a great character. Much more than what she show at first sight. And As I heard, the the romance with her is worthy. Just as Friendship/rivalry with her. The romance is actually one of the most mature in DA2, because Isabella is the one with almost no drama along the way. I romance her with my female rogue Hawke
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Post by Panda on Dec 30, 2016 21:41:49 GMT
DA2 has best options since it has two best female companions in the series duh I like how people are pointing out subjectivity of whole thing. You can make every LI sound awful as you can make them sound awesome. It's all in personal preferences really.
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Post by secretrare on Jan 3, 2017 10:01:08 GMT
I romanced no one in DAO and DAII,I only romanced Cullen.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 3, 2017 10:24:02 GMT
What's the problem with Leliana, I never understod... (I never tried the romance.) Morrigan's romance is good. Isabela romance is very good according so many people. (true, I never tried.) Merrill is not naive, just can't treat people well. He interest much more the dalish hystory, than the people, she is an "egghead scientist". The blood magic is a tool, no more, not good or evil. Cassandra romance also good, I liked it, but Cassandra also not innocent. She is a Seeker... how much blood on her hand... I never tryed Josephine romance, but many people liked. I don't see any different. I can't decide, you are a pious decent man, or a judgmental, hypocrite. Er no sorry,I agree with Bayonet here,blood magic is inherently dangerous and we are not hypocrite nor judgmental just because we do not abide to your Pro mage reasonings. If I had half a chance in DAO to murder blood mages like Morrigan i would have done that ,her and Urthemiel into the eternal oblivion of death. same with Isabela which is another criminal and deserved to be brought on justice but no Bioware handwaved that so that she can always escape like Morrigan. And it would be better if I do not start to talk about that little fool of Merril.
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Post by oyabun on Jan 3, 2017 10:53:23 GMT
Romances are a matter of personal preference not of virtues,if your OP would have been about :"Who is the most virtues and trustworthy character for a romance" then i would had completly agreed with you.I don't disagree with your analysis(other than for Leliana)
All this has nothing to do with me or people being judgemental,if one's think people like Isabela and Morrigan are great romances for story sake,personality or whatever then good for them I don't even disagree with that,if they think they are good example of human beings especially to have on one side then i beg to disagree,because in fact I think they are selfish and dangerous persons,with Isablea being a criminal who fomented a lot of destruction and Morrigan being a blood mage who used her son like a pawn for her foolish ambition to save a monstrosity and with the DR runners gambled the entire world.
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Post by oyabun on Jan 3, 2017 11:21:56 GMT
Who cares if she gets STDs. Someone losing their virginity can catch one their first time. Condoms prevent pregnancy, not disease. I'm absolutely aware that this has nothing to with the topic at hand but let's not spread misinformation,condoms prevent the transmission of many STI.
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2017 12:09:30 GMT
Who cares if she gets STDs. Someone losing their virginity can catch one their first time. Condoms prevent pregnancy, not disease. I'm absolutely aware that this has nothing to with the topic at hand but let's not spread misinformation,condoms prevent the transmission of many STD. It's important to use condoms to help reduce the spread of STI (sexually transmitted infections). Condoms are used for both birth control and reducing the risk of infections.It's 99% effective as a birth control when used properly. It's not 99% effective at preventing infections. In fact, a condom does little to prevent gentital warts at all, because that's in the skin even when there isn't an active outbreak. It REDUCES the chance and does not make any claim at true prevention.
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Post by oyabun on Jan 3, 2017 12:18:03 GMT
I'm absolutely aware that this has nothing to with the topic at hand but let's not spread misinformation,condoms prevent the transmission of many STD. It's important to use condoms to help reduce the spread of STI (sexually transmitted infections). Condoms are used for both birth control and reducing the risk of infections.It's 99% effective as a birth control when used properly. It's not 99% effective at preventing infections. In fact, a condom does little to prevent gentital warts at all, because that's in the skin even when there isn't an active outbreak. It REDUCES the chance and does not make any claim at true prevention. Each infection is different,there are many of them that cannot be spread through mere Skin contact(and I would beg to argue they are the most dangerous),those kind of infections are 99% prevented by the use of such devices.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2017 13:57:03 GMT
What's the problem with Leliana, I never understod... (I never tried the romance.) Morrigan's romance is good. Isabela romance is very good according so many people. (true, I never tried.) Merrill is not naive, just can't treat people well. He interest much more the dalish hystory, than the people, she is an "egghead scientist". The blood magic is a tool, no more, not good or evil. Cassandra romance also good, I liked it, but Cassandra also not innocent. She is a Seeker... how much blood on her hand... I never tryed Josephine romance, but many people liked. I don't see any different. I can't decide, you are a pious decent man, or a judgmental, hypocrite. Er no sorry,I agree with Bayonet here,blood magic is inherently dangerous and we are not hypocrite nor judgmental just because we do not abide to your Pro mage reasonings. If I had half a chance in DAO to murder blood mages like Morrigan i would have done that ,her and Urthemiel into the eternal oblivion of death. same with Isabela which is another criminal and deserved to be brought on justice but no Bioware handwaved that so that she can always escape like Morrigan. And it would be better if I do not start to talk about that little fool of Merril. Blood Magic is dangerous, but still a tool, not "good" or "bad". Depend of the user. The shown example of the "security over liberty" is good example, for this thought is wrong and lead to oppression and abuse of power. No doubt. (Of course security is needed, but this method is inherently evil, AND I see dangerous, and unsafe.) So: no positive effect or reason to maintain. A better way must be found, for everyone. The Circles wrong solution (not solution), and once again: unsafe, but even dangerous for everyone, including non-mage civilians and templars). You seems judgemental, not because you don't agree with me about the mage issues, much more because of your opinion for example about Isabela and Merrill (Morrigan is more complicated, yes).
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2017 14:59:31 GMT
oyabunYour argument was that I was spreading misinformation. I clarified my statement, and you even agreed that it doesn't prevent gentital warts, a virus that is heavily stigmatized and all people wish not to have. Therefore, I stand by my clarified statement and I think it's you who is spreading misinformation. People should not think that a condom is a magical balloon of safety. It encourages ignorance that spreads disease/infections/viruses. People should have honest discussions about their sexual habits with their partners and accept that no sex comes without risk. And I'm kinda done with the conversation; I've done my research and that is my conclusion.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 4, 2017 1:04:28 GMT
Er no sorry,I agree with Bayonet here,blood magic is inherently dangerous and we are not hypocrite nor judgmental just because we do not abide to your Pro mage reasonings. If I had half a chance in DAO to murder blood mages like Morrigan i would have done that ,her and Urthemiel into the eternal oblivion of death. same with Isabela which is another criminal and deserved to be brought on justice but no Bioware handwaved that so that she can always escape like Morrigan. And it would be better if I do not start to talk about that little fool of Merril. You seems judgemental, not because you don't agree with me about the mage issues, much more because of your opinion for example about Isabela and Merrill (Morrigan is more complicated, yes). Isabela is a criminal and that's not an opinion that's a fact,I can't be judgemental because i defined Isabela for what she is for the laws of Thedas. Merril was a little fool to want to make a deal with a thousand of years old spirit who had more experience than her and being confident to be able to outsmart such entity she knew the risks but she didn't cared,so yea good i guess that she restored an Eluvian but killed people in the process.
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Post by melbella on Jan 4, 2017 1:43:58 GMT
Who are these "people" that Merrill killed? Pol? He ran headlong into a varterral because of what Marethari told him, not because of anything Merrill did to him. Marethari? Got herself possessed through her own free will choice and then forced Merrill to kill her. So yeah, I guess you got one right. Perhaps they should have just left her there instead?
Also, Morrigan isn't a blood mage, unless the player specs her as one. (ugh, I can't believe I'm defending Morrigan!)
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2017 1:45:32 GMT
You seems judgemental, not because you don't agree with me about the mage issues, much more because of your opinion for example about Isabela and Merrill (Morrigan is more complicated, yes). Isabela is a criminal and that's not an opinion that's a fact,I can't be judgemental because i defined Isabela for what she is for the laws of Thedas. Merril was a little fool to want to make a deal with a thousand of years old spirit who had more experience than her and being confident to be able to outsmart such entity she knew the risks but she didn't cared,so yea good i guess that she restored an Eluvian but killed people in the process. Isabela is criminal, yes, but who isn't in Kirkwall? And in Inquisition? Who killed by Merrill's experiment? The Keeper, because she don't trust Merrill, she risked her own life, don't Merrill killed her. Pol? His death was an accident and because Marethari spoke about the dangerousness of Merrill. Pol killed by his own fear. But okay, this is true, what Merrill did, was really dangerous. I think, she knew that, this is why asked Hawke for help. But none of them is unacceptable. I never said, that they are innocent. No one innocent. And back to the topic's theme: Cassandra was better? She was a Seeker, a Seeker never innocent... yes, she saved some lives, but Isabela as well...
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Post by melbella on Jan 4, 2017 1:49:16 GMT
Cass outright tells Dorian she'd stuff him into a dismal little mage prison if the world wasn't ending. I like her, but that's a little too lawful good for me. Still prefer her as Divine over Vivienne though.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2017 1:50:27 GMT
Who are these "people" that Merrill killed? Pol? He ran headlong into a varterral because of what Marethari told him, not because of anything Merrill did to him. Marethari? Got herself possessed through her own free will choice and then forced Merrill to kill her. So yeah, I guess you got one right. Perhaps they should have just left her there instead?
Also, Morrigan isn't a blood mage, unless the player specs her as one. (ugh, I can't believe I'm defending Morrigan!) I think, she know the blood magic, she does not deny that, when the Inquisitor asks in the ball. True, she don't likes to deal with demons, this is clear, if in the DAO you send Morrigan in the Fade.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 4, 2017 2:36:27 GMT
Who are these "people" that Merrill killed? Pol? He ran headlong into a varterral because of what Marethari told him, not because of anything Merrill did to him. Marethari? Got herself possessed through her own free will choice and then forced Merrill to kill her. So yeah, I guess you got one right. Perhaps they should have just left her there instead?
Also, Morrigan isn't a blood mage, unless the player specs her as one. (ugh, I can't believe I'm defending Morrigan!) She is a bit stupid , she thought she would be the only target and the only one in danger , she doesn't understand the concept of collateral damage. She messes with a demon and blood magic , and a tainted mirror, of course her clan is freaking out.Most people would . The Keeper , who she told us is like a mother to her , is also very scared for her safety. The Keeper begs her numerous times to stop it all , she'll even go against the wishes of the clan and take Merrill back ASAP. So in all her wisdom , Merrill in a last effort go speak with the demon which is near her clan. I'm sure no one is having vapors among the Dalish to see her again walk up the trail to mess with the demon. Then Marethari go and sacrifice herself for Merrill , ...like any mother would sacrifice herself for her child. Morrigan is a blood mage,The Dark ritual is blood magic as it is blood magic some of the knowledge she revelaed to possess to the Inquisitor,in order to be defined as a blood mage you need to know speels based on blood magic not being a pure 100% blood mage who use only blood magic,because by the latter definition no one is a blood mage not even Corypheus.
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Post by secretrare on Jan 4, 2017 2:55:12 GMT
As much as i like Merrill i cannot deny that what she did was reckless,I believe that if it wasn't for the sacrifice of Marethari Audacity would have been able to break free through others means(not necessarly by possessing Merril),possibly via others people and could have caused a lot more damages. I'm also not a supporter of blood magic in general so there's that,i never saw anything good coming from it.
If it wasn't for the whole mess caused by Corypheus I Doubt that Morrigan would have been safe during DAI from the templars,they consider her a maleficar because she has the requirements to be defined as such,the blood magic being one of them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 4, 2017 5:28:30 GMT
What does this blood magic debate have to do with the romance options of Dragon Age: Inquisition? Not a single LI in DAI is a blood mage.
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