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Post by Sifr on Nov 26, 2016 4:22:49 GMT
This is not about reasoning and politics, just about facts, what the actual laws are. Pretty much covers it here.Suffice to say, gun ownership in the UK is heavily restricted and tightly regulated. Any applicant has to provide justification for why they require the firearm(s) in question, pass countless background checks, demonstrate a responsible character, understanding of gun safety, how to properly store them when not in use... and so forth, before they might be issued with a license.
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"Ha ha ha ha ha! Did I hurt you?"
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Post by Verro on Nov 26, 2016 10:12:48 GMT
Would like to have an SBR Pistol carbine like this one day. I was going to say I don't understand the point of doing this to a pistol. Then I got to 1:20, now I understand.
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 26, 2016 10:22:10 GMT
Would like to have an SBR Pistol carbine like this one day. I was going to say I don't understand the point of doing this to a pistol. Then I got to 1:20, now I understand. I could have told you. The 17 is and has been my sidearm of choice for nearly a decade now. It's just...well it's somewhat difficult to control muzzle climb during fully automatic fire. That said its a worthy addition to have if for no other reason than its potential rapid response attributes. o.o I don't got a stock for mine though. Last one broke and I never replaced it.
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Post by Verro on Nov 26, 2016 10:35:05 GMT
I was going to say I don't understand the point of doing this to a pistol. Then I got to 1:20, now I understand. I could have told you. The 17 is and has been my sidearm of choice for nearly a decade now. It's just...well it's somewhat difficult to control muzzle climb during fully automatic fire. That said its a worthy addition to have if for no other reason than its potential rapid response attributes. o.o I don't got a stock for mine though. Last one broke and I never replaced it. I'd still rather have a shotgun or rifle for home defense. Though depending on the cost to convert the pistol, I could see going this route instead.
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 26, 2016 10:43:24 GMT
I could have told you. The 17 is and has been my sidearm of choice for nearly a decade now. It's just...well it's somewhat difficult to control muzzle climb during fully automatic fire. That said its a worthy addition to have if for no other reason than its potential rapid response attributes. o.o I don't got a stock for mine though. Last one broke and I never replaced it. I'd still rather have a shotgun or rifle for home defense. Though depending on the cost to convert the pistol, I could see going this route instead. I had it done when it was getting a tune up and few replacements and additions so the conversion was tacked on the bill along with the custom dot sight and grip. I'd have done it myself but I didn't have the tools at the time, still don't. (For the grip, its insulated so it remains in the palm easier) I think you can buy kits pretty cheap, but obviously that's illegal. You have to register it as an automatic if it's converted, assuming you have the paperwork for that. I was lucky Murfreesboro outdoors did a lot of the legwork for me.
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Post by Verro on Nov 26, 2016 11:06:56 GMT
I'd still rather have a shotgun or rifle for home defense. Though depending on the cost to convert the pistol, I could see going this route instead. I had it done when it was getting a tune up and few replacements and additions so the conversion was tacked on the bill along with the custom dot sight and grip. I'd have done it myself but I didn't have the tools at the time, still don't. (For the grip, its insulated so it remains in the palm easier) I think you can buy kits pretty cheap, but obviously that's illegal. You have to register it as an automatic if it's converted, assuming you have the paperwork for that. I was lucky Murfreesboro outdoors did a lot of the legwork for me. Seems like a lot of hoop jumping. I'd probably never get this done anyway. I understand why someone might do it though.
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Post by Serza on Nov 26, 2016 12:27:21 GMT
To be honest, if I wanted a rifle for home defence (which would be stupid - this place would be too hard to maneuver in with a rifle) I could just actually get one. Modified Sa vz 58 is half and sometimes third the cost of a pistol, especially when new BRENs arrive to their units. That always means 58s being outphased, on top of production that still runs.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2016 13:23:45 GMT
To be honest, if I wanted a rifle for home defence (which would be stupid - this place would be too hard to maneuver in with a rifle) I could just actually get one. Check how far away your pistol is when you're aiming at something, its as far away from your body as as the muzzle of a medium length rifle or shotgun. So saying the pistol is more maneuverable than a rifle in close quarters is not that true, in fact a short rifle can make you more compact than a pistol which has always have to be aimed with straightened arms. The pistol is only more maneuverable if you use incorrect stance (bent arms) - but I can do the same with a long gun. ( Put the butt stock in my armpit instead of on my shoulder) Around corners you should go wide anyway to avoid having somebody grab your gun and render it useless, so you can use a pretty long rifle just as well. I'm using a 102cm long double barrel 12 gauge with #4 buckshot as home defense tool. Target acquisition with is faster than with any gun I have ever handled - and thats IMO the single most crucial feature of a defense gun. I did house clearing drills with it and despite its length of over 100cm I have not found any spots where it was too long and did not work.
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Post by Serza on Nov 26, 2016 13:35:21 GMT
Yeah, when I round a corner, I can retract the weapon into incorrect stance and be better ready for surprises right beyond the corner. When corner is cleared, I can extend again into proper stance.
IMHO, it makes it harder for an opponent to seize your muzzle on rounding a corner. That extra maneuverability of course comes at a price, but in my case, a home defence scenario would unfold in ranges where you already aim with the length of a weapon, point blank. The extra power of a shotgun or a rifle is unnecessary at that range.
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Post by Pearl on Nov 26, 2016 13:55:34 GMT
Yeah, when I round a corner, I can retract the weapon into incorrect stance and be better ready for surprises right beyond the corner. When corner is cleared, I can extend again into proper stance. IMHO, it makes it harder for an opponent to seize your muzzle on rounding a corner. That extra maneuverability of course comes at a price, but in my case, a home defence scenario would unfold in ranges where you already aim with the length of a weapon, point blank. The extra power of a shotgun or a rifle is unnecessary at that range. The average home invader isn't going to have balls big enough to grab the muzzle of a readied rifle, even if it's not pointed at them. Plus if you're rounding a corner with a long gun already raised, you should be prepared to shoot, by default. Hell, the average home invader would probably be scared shitless by an airsoft gun, at least here in the states. But obviously that has the potential to be a suicidal bluff.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2016 13:57:19 GMT
I'm using a 102cm long double barrel 12 gauge with #4 buckshot as home defense tool. Any particular reason you prefer a double barrel on a pump action or semi-auto? (aside from price...) Of course! Firstly, as I mentioned this particular firearm points better, faster and more natural than any gun I've ever handled. The single most important thing about any firearm is that it fits you, and this one fits me incredibly well. I can shoot, point and move it faster than any other long gun I've ever handled. Secondly, pump action shotguns are outlawed in my country so acquiring one is not possible. Don't ask about the law as it make no sense to a sound mind. Last but not least semi automatic shotguns are allowed here but due to the nature of shotgun shells even the best semi-autos are not super reliable. Having a failure to feed or eject once every 100 rounds or so does not spoil the fun on the shooting range but for me, that reliability is not good enough for life or death situations. Especially since clearing a malfunction in a semi auto shotgun involves lots of fumbling around and isn't the easiest thing in the world, especially not when you're exchanging lead with an attacker. Yeah, when I round a corner, I can retract the weapon into incorrect stance and be better ready for surprises right beyond the corner. When corner is cleared, I can extend again into proper stance. IMHO, it makes it harder for an opponent to seize your muzzle on rounding a corner. That extra maneuverability of course comes at a price, but in my case, a home defence scenario would unfold in ranges where you already aim with the length of a weapon, point blank. The extra power of a shotgun or a rifle is unnecessary at that range. Like I said, a rifle can be retracted into incorrect stance just as well as a pistol, to make it much shorter. And extra power is never a bad thing unless you're going way overboard with it. What if the attacker only exposes himself for a very short amount of time and you can get off only one good shot? With the stopping power of service pistol rounds chances are big you need more than that, there are tons of videos out there where people get shot multiple times with 9mm/.45/ 40S&W/38SPC and they keep on going. Now if you put 27 6.5mm pellets into somebody's chest with just one shot I think the fight is over. Thats just my humble opinion.
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"Ha ha ha ha ha! Did I hurt you?"
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Post by Verro on Nov 26, 2016 14:24:02 GMT
Any particular reason you prefer a double barrel on a pump action or semi-auto? (aside from price...) Of course! Firstly, as I mentioned this particular firearm points better, faster and more natural than any gun I've ever handled. The single most important thing about any firearm is that it fits you, and this one fits me incredibly well. I can shoot, point and move it faster than any other long gun I've ever handled. Secondly, pump action shotguns are outlawed in my country so acquiring one is not possible. Don't ask about the law as it make no sense to a sound mind. Last but not least semi automatic shotguns are allowed here but due to the nature of shotgun shells even the best semi-autos are not super reliable. Having a failure to feed or eject once every 100 rounds or so does not spoil the fun on the shooting range but for me, that reliability is not good enough for life or death situations. Especially since clearing a malfunction in a semi auto shotgun involves lots of fumbling around and isn't the easiest thing in the world, especially not when you're exchanging lead with an attacker. Yeah, when I round a corner, I can retract the weapon into incorrect stance and be better ready for surprises right beyond the corner. When corner is cleared, I can extend again into proper stance. IMHO, it makes it harder for an opponent to seize your muzzle on rounding a corner. That extra maneuverability of course comes at a price, but in my case, a home defence scenario would unfold in ranges where you already aim with the length of a weapon, point blank. The extra power of a shotgun or a rifle is unnecessary at that range. Like I said, a rifle can be retracted into incorrect stance just as well as a pistol, to make it much shorter. And extra power is never a bad thing unless you're going way overboard with it. What if the attacker only exposes himself for a very short amount of time and you can get off only one good shot? With the stopping power of service pistol rounds chances are big you need more than that, there are tons of videos out there where people get shot multiple times with 9mm/.45/ 40S&W/38SPC and they keep on going. Now if you put 27 6.5mm pellets into somebody's chest with just one shot I think the fight is over. Thats just my humble opinion. ''Secondly, pump action shotguns are outlawed in my country so acquiring one is not possible. Don't ask about the law as it make no sense to a sound mind.'' ''Last but not least semi automatic shotguns are allowed here'' ...What? I know you said not to ask, but I'm finding that hard to do.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2016 14:40:04 GMT
''Secondly, pump action shotguns are outlawed in my country so acquiring one is not possible. Don't ask about the law as it make no sense to a sound mind.'' ''Last but not least semi automatic shotguns are allowed here'' ...What? I know you said not to ask, but I'm finding that hard to do. As far as I know there was a bank robbery spree in the early 80's and the guys used pump action shotguns - so the lawmakers found it a wise idea to ban this particular kind of firearm. Turned out those guns were obtained from the black market anyway and thus were already illegal before they banned it. KEK? Also myth has it that certain anti-gun politicians watched some action movies where the pump action shotguns were portrayed especially devastating and evil, filling their tender hearts with fear and desperation. And now imagine politicians applying the same kind of logic on all other problems. Suddenly the question of why the world is in such a sorry state is explained. Hooray! Also, fur a fun fact: to get a little technical here, there are shotguns that are semi-automatic but with the press of a button can be worked manually like a pump action shotgun to increase reliability or clear malfunctions. Since they are semi-auto and technically pump action as well those aren't allowed here either. LOL. And to explain it via pictures: This is allowed: (Saiga12 semi shotgun) This is not: (Remington 1897)
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capn233
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August 2016
capn233
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by capn233 on Nov 26, 2016 14:54:06 GMT
The average home invader isn't going to have balls big enough to grab the muzzle of a readied rifle... Right, and is probably breaking into a house while nobody is there anyway.
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Post by Pearl on Nov 26, 2016 14:55:59 GMT
Giant Ambush Beetle I'm at a loss for words. That may be the single dumbest set of gun laws I've ever heard of.
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Post by Verro on Nov 26, 2016 14:59:48 GMT
''Secondly, pump action shotguns are outlawed in my country so acquiring one is not possible. Don't ask about the law as it make no sense to a sound mind.'' ''Last but not least semi automatic shotguns are allowed here'' ...What? I know you said not to ask, but I'm finding that hard to do. As far as I know there was a bank robbery spree in the early 80's and the guys used pump action shotguns - so the lawmakers found it a wise idea to ban this particular kind of firearm. Turned out those guns were obtained from the black market anyway and thus were already illegal before they banned it. KEK? Also myth has it that certain anti-gun politicians watched some action movies where the pump action shotguns were portrayed especially devastating and evil, filling their tender hearts with fear and desperation. And now imagine politicians applying the same kind of logic on all other problems. Suddenly the question of why the world is in such a sorry state is explained. Hooray! Also, fur a fun fact: to get a little technical here, there are shotguns that are semi-automatic but with the press of a button can be worked manually like a pump action shotgun to increase reliability or clear malfunctions. Since they are semi-auto and technically pump action as well those aren't allowed here either. LOL. And to explain it via pictures: This is allowed: (Saiga12 semi shotgun) This is not: (Remington 1897) The pictures really hammer the point home. Probably one of the dumbest gun laws I've ever heard.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2016 15:05:48 GMT
Giant Ambush Beetle I'm at a loss for words. That may be the single dumbest set of gun laws I've ever heard of. Oh, thats just the tip of the iceberg, there is more of that stuff. And its not just limited to our government, the European Union itself is currently exploring ways to ban lead for civilians because its so toxic and dangerous. Yes, they want to ban elements now. Needless to say 90% of the ammunition contains lead so this is just another cheap way to bring private gun ownership to its knees. Lead is also used in the electronics industry, so they would take a massive hit as well only giving more power to foreign companies not affected by this ban. But who cares about economy, right? Banning stuff and telling people what they can have and can't have is too much fun!
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Post by Pearl on Nov 26, 2016 16:50:17 GMT
Giant Ambush Beetle I'm at a loss for words. That may be the single dumbest set of gun laws I've ever heard of. Oh, thats just the tip of the iceberg, there is more of that stuff. And its not just limited to our government, the European Union itself is currently exploring ways to ban lead for civilians because its so toxic and dangerous. Yes, they want to ban elements now. Needless to say 90% of the ammunition contains lead so this is just another cheap way to bring private gun ownership to its knees. Pretty effective way to nip any potential revolution in the bud.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2016 17:10:29 GMT
Oh, thats just the tip of the iceberg, there is more of that stuff. And its not just limited to our government, the European Union itself is currently exploring ways to ban lead for civilians because its so toxic and dangerous. Yes, they want to ban elements now. Needless to say 90% of the ammunition contains lead so this is just another cheap way to bring private gun ownership to its knees. Pretty effective way to nip any potential revolution in the bud. Armed free thinking (relatively) independent middle class citizens are thorns in the foot of any totalitarian system so naturally the EU is attacking them in every way possible. Be it their ability for self defense, responsibility, freedom of choice or freedom of speech. But what can I say, without getting too off-topic here I'm pretty sure big stuff will happen in the next 10-15 years max and who knows, maybe a less rotten system will arise from the ashes. Knowing people my hopes are really low though.
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Mr. Rump
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Lavochkin
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August 2016
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 26, 2016 17:16:00 GMT
I could have told you. The 17 is and has been my sidearm of choice for nearly a decade now. It's just...well it's somewhat difficult to control muzzle climb during fully automatic fire. That said its a worthy addition to have if for no other reason than its potential rapid response attributes. o.o I don't got a stock for mine though. Last one broke and I never replaced it. Interesting. Would you say that the Glock in general is deserving of his rugged and reliable reputation?And what about other aspects, such as accuracy ease of carry and ease of use? I know that some choose the Glock because it's relatively cheaper than some alternatives, but somehow I don't think this is why you chose it. It can certainly handle a lot of rounds put through it in a short amount of time.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2016 17:22:51 GMT
How much wood does it take to stop a .308? I have to say the results surprised me a little bit, I thought it would not take THAT much lumber to stop such a common non-magnum round. (Love this guys channel BTW)
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Post by Pearl on Nov 26, 2016 17:23:25 GMT
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2016 17:31:37 GMT
Pearl Ah, the good old Glock .40 kaboom. Pretty cool too:
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The Pathfinder
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Sept 22, 2017 23:01:09 GMT
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Serza
Rendering planets viable since 2017
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August 2016
serza
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by Serza on Nov 26, 2016 18:02:54 GMT
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, that lock is made of Stalinium.
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Make it simple but significant.
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Make it simple but significant.
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Post by Larry-3 on Nov 26, 2016 19:48:23 GMT
In no particular order, my top five favorite would be... Beretta CX4 Storm Calico M950 Baikal MP-161K Hi-point Carbine Whitney Wolverine
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