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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 18:21:22 GMT
Did your warden help save Redcliff or did they leave it to its fate? Why?
My Surana and Brosca saved Redcliff. Surana did it because she wanted to be a hero and enjoys fighting. Brosca didn't want to leave a bunch of people to die and figured that if he did the villagers would be turned into corpses he would have to fight later. Also, he needed as many knights alive to help him in the coming Blight.
My new City elf will probably leave them there to die out of spite.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 30, 2016 18:31:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 18:45:24 GMT
All but one of my Wardens saved Redcliffe, the only one who didn't was my noble dwarf. I tried to roleplay a good reason for her to walk away so I went with this - In Lothering she heard some villagers say that something dodgy was happening at the mage's tower so she wanted to get there asap to get their help, but Alistair insisted on stopping off at Redcliffe. On arrival they find out what's happening but my Aeducan doesn't fully appreciate their plight. In Orzammar her ppl have to deal with darkspawn (and each other) so a few undead shouldn't be a problem right? She never understood that the humans of Redcliffe were farmers, not warriors, and ill equipped to save themselves. Wanting to get to the mages, she apologises and says they have to go. All the companions agree with the exception of Leliana, even Alistair says that they have super important work to do and agrees they should go. They leave, the night sets in and the cutscene plays of Redcliffe's destruction. Then my Aeducan appears at the mage's tower a second later at nightfall. I thought that was a brilliant touch as it helped me think it was that same night, so thank goodness they'd hurried there! The situation was terrible and their help is needed. This helped calm her guilt over leaving Redcliffe, the mage treaty was essential and if she'd stayed in Redcliffe she may have gotten to Lake Calenhad too late.
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Post by mousestalker on Nov 30, 2016 19:23:15 GMT
All but one of my wardens saved Redcliffe. Most people head there directly. I typically do it last or second to last because there are no companions to be gained there (meta-gaming). Also the Circle is much easier the earlier you do it. Going there first is a win Wynne solution. As for saving the villagers, the only Warden who didn't was my drow, Eilestraee Surana. She didn't see any advantage in doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 19:48:15 GMT
All but one of my wardens saved Redcliffe. Most people head there directly. I typically do it last or second to last because there are no companions to be gained there (meta-gaming). Also the Circle is much easier the earlier you do it. Going there first is a win Wynne solution. As for saving the villagers, the only Warden who didn't was my drow, Eilestraee Surana. She didn't see any advantage in doing so. A win Wynne situation? Ba-dum-tsh!
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Post by phoray on Nov 30, 2016 19:53:01 GMT
So far haven't rolled a Warden who isn't open to being begged for assistance and providing it. Alistair seems to want you to help them. Also the issue of... If you are willing to leave this village to die, why even bother preventing the Blight? I like the Aeducan's reason listed above One could also argue not putting the last two Warden's in peril for unrelated Warden business. Why I initially refused to to battle Flemythal on Morrigan's behalf. Seriously, she isn't going o steal your soul any time soon. Killing her can wait after the Blight problem. Edit add: Alistair says something really inspirational going in to the place. "You're the reason this will all work out." Something along those lines. It's hard not to feel kinda... Complimented yet humbled...to have him believe in you so hard. I don't want to disappoint him
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Post by Domakir on Nov 30, 2016 20:06:40 GMT
All my characters saved Redcliffe except my dalish elf because he hated humans.
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Post by capn233 on Nov 30, 2016 23:09:29 GMT
I save Redcliffe, trying to save all the NPCs.
I always save Connor too, although I did kill him once just to do that fight (and then reloaded).
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Post by oyabun on Dec 1, 2016 1:22:46 GMT
Not saving Redclieffe is insane,it require you to metagaming about Tegan survival.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 1:23:25 GMT
Usually help them because of all that tasty xp. And because not helping shuts you out from finishing the Blackstone Irregulars and The Mages Collective quests without giving you anything new instead. Boo. But if that wasn't the case, Redcliffe would burn way more often.
Still, I have left it on occasion. Tildren Tabris went there first, left them to rot and got the Redcliffe treaty last. But he occasionally visited the town to check if Teagan had finally died/become killable so Tildren could steal his clothes. Sereda Aeducan left the place to burn because if they couldn't defend themselves versus a group of lousy undead they were probably even more useless against the darkspawn. So why risk her own neck, which was one of the best hope against the darkspawn, for some sniveling farmers? I feel like there was a third one, but I can't remember who or why.
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Post by mike3207 on Dec 1, 2016 2:35:57 GMT
I entertained the idea of leaving Redcliffe to its fate, just because I despise Eamon that much.
I do go through it with one human noble, but didn't have a good feeling about it.
I might revisit that decision though, after Teagan's behavior in Inquisition.
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Post by akiza on Dec 1, 2016 2:52:23 GMT
Saving the village is not some kind of dilemma. You have to investigate the castle to learn what has happened to the Arl and in doing so, you have to deal with the threat. I can't find reason to delay your dealing with the threat (let the town be destroyed the night before let the undead grow stronger), if you are going to deal with it anyway. If the game provided another choice e.g. Defend the town (save lives, but no benefit) vs Abandon the town (casualties, but gain benefit X), I would consider it. In this situation, there is no benefit gained for letting the town be annihilated. What is left, then, as a player, is to make a choice. For that choice, we may or may not provide reason to ourselves.
I go to Redcliffe to ask the Arl Eamon's help (because he is presumably the only political figure capable of standing up to Loghain and rallying Ferelden's nobles). Arriving there, the villagers tell you that there's something wrong with the castle and that undead attack the village at night. We don't know whether Arl Eamon is actually dead, so the Wardens must investigate the castle for a definite answer (even game-wise you can't skip Arl Eamon). So, it is necessary to deal with whatever threat lies in that castle, which seems to be threatening the village as well. I can't find adequate reasons to not defend Redcliffe while you are at it especially since there is Tegan there which is an heir of Eamon. Are you going waste time? You are going to deal with the threat anyway. Does it matter if you do it now, or tomorrow after it's attacked the village and probably stripped you of these: Able bodied warriors, morale, resources, good reputation (Loghain vilified the Wardens). To me it does matter, even more so because they are advantages you could obtain without actually diverting your course. If someone doesn't want to defend the village, however unreasonable I believe it to be, it's fine by me. The player can do whatever he wants, it's his enjoyment.
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Post by olnorton on Dec 1, 2016 4:16:57 GMT
Also the Circle is much easier the earlier you do it. Going there first is a win Wynne solution. Not only that, the attribute bonuses you get make all the other quests easier. I've only let them die once. Not for any role playing reason, just to see what different options it gave me. But it was a bit of a disappointment on that front.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 1, 2016 11:11:48 GMT
I have never contemplated the idea of not saving Redcliffe. I might in the future if there some kind of "asshole achievement" to tick of. It is possible to rationalise a reason to do it I guess. Especially a shemlen hating elf. Hmmm...
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Post by kumazan on Dec 1, 2016 11:43:43 GMT
I have never left Redcliff to be destroyed, even one of my Dalish Wardens, who hated humans with a passion, couldn't just stop himslef from showing dem shems that he was above their petty anti-elf sentiment. I guess I just suck at RPing assholes.
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Post by mike3207 on Dec 1, 2016 16:41:15 GMT
I've heard there's dialogue in Witch Hunt where the only way Eamon doesn't become a power in those years and leader of the Landsmeet is to let Redcliffe be destroyed.
A Human Noble who wanted to remove any competition for leadership in Ferelden might take that path-or any others who wanted Eamon to not be involved in Ferelden politics.
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Post by phoray on Dec 1, 2016 18:26:53 GMT
See, I don't mind saving Redcliffe. What I don't understand is why I HAVE to do Sacred Ashes. An absurd quest that shouldn't honestly have anything at the end of it except rumors and fables... to save one old man's life when we don't actually need him for anything AND while the Darkspawn encroach upon Fereldan more each day is just crazy....
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Post by Beregond5 on Dec 1, 2016 19:58:19 GMT
I always save Redcliffe, mostly because the first few times I didn't even know that abandoning it was an option, and then it just didn't feel right to go for the particular alternative. I've only seen the outcome at Youtube.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 23:20:54 GMT
Since I always completed main missions in other key locations before travelling to Redcliffe, it left me with no good reason to live it to its fate.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Dec 2, 2016 1:50:58 GMT
I didn't end up doing it on my second playthrough, which I'd designated as my "complete asshole" playthrough, since I didn't have the heart. After that, it just felt like I couldn't, since even my complete asshole Warden hadn't done it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 23:47:47 GMT
Queen Cousland: HELP CHU!
pretty much all of my characters help out... But for different reasons...
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Post by secretrare on Dec 7, 2016 18:20:13 GMT
I tried this option as a what if scenario but it didn't worked from any RP perspective. There was no benefit to let the town burn,the work was instead harder,there are more zombies in the castle to fight...
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Post by fylimar on Dec 11, 2016 9:20:45 GMT
I did it once by accident. I didn't know, that leaving now would mean, you can't come back later and save the village. That was with one of my Tabris rogues. I reloaded, because it felt wrong to leave redcliffe to it's fate and that knight in Lothering was so nice to my poor Tabris, who haven't met many nice human nobles so far.
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Post by Finvola on Dec 15, 2016 17:44:24 GMT
I always save Redcliffe, even if I play an asshole warden. For me, it's the right thing to do, but I also like fighting as much as possible and don't pass up opportunities to. Even if my asshole warden doesn't care about Redcliffe or its problems, they still like to kill stuff.
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Post by Aren on Dec 17, 2016 14:16:10 GMT
Help not only because it is the right thing to do from a moral standpoint but also because it has the greatest benefits.Pretty much all the companions(except for Morrigan but no surprise here) agree that helping Redclieffe is the best course of actions(including Sten that later come to change his initial reticence).
Not helping Redclieffe means that you have to rely on metaknowledge that Tegan will survive to give you an access into the castle and also there are lot more zombies in the castle,not just some of those who were not killed in the Town but also all the villagers themselves.
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