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Post by Serza on Dec 27, 2018 1:13:56 GMT
Bah. Taste. I liked Andromeda.
Still, Prequels are some pretty good movies. Yeah, maybe they're not perfect, but they're pretty good. Change my mind.
Sequels just love wasting potential and... making exceptionally little to no sense.
Off the top of my head: Where are the Y-Wings? Why didn't Poe get wasted after his first odd comment to Hux? How did Poe's fighter wipe out all the point defence so quickly (no shielding?!)? Why are there so few point defence turrets? Why kill off Ackbar but leave Leia alive? (I don't actually know enough about the lore to argue about shields not absorbing the shot) What the fuck led Luke to contemplating killing Kylo? Did he really just fuck off to the island after a few people died and he felt bad about it? Why is Admiral Gender Studies behaving like she never commanded more than a group of kids in school during a team effort? Who the hell thought up Poe somehow being a stupid feller by trying to get some chance for the Rebels? Why are they trying to make Poe stupid? It doesn't work. It makes the others look stupid. Casino world. Why. Just why. ...yeah, nah, I'm not continuing this.
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 27, 2018 1:56:14 GMT
Bah. Taste. I liked Andromeda. Still, Prequels are some pretty good movies. Yeah, maybe they're not perfect, but they're pretty good. Change my mind. Sequels just love wasting potential and... making exceptionally little to no sense. Off the top of my head: Where are the Y-Wings? Why didn't Poe get wasted after his first odd comment to Hux? How did Poe's fighter wipe out all the point defence so quickly (no shielding?!)? Why are there so few point defence turrets? Why kill off Ackbar but leave Leia alive? (I don't actually know enough about the lore to argue about shields not absorbing the shot) What the fuck led Luke to contemplating killing Kylo? Did he really just fuck off to the island after a few people died and he felt bad about it? Why is Admiral Gender Studies behaving like she never commanded more than a group of kids in school during a team effort? Who the hell thought up Poe somehow being a stupid feller by trying to get some chance for the Rebels? Why are they trying to make Poe stupid? It doesn't work. It makes the others look stupid. Casino world. Why. Just why. ...yeah, nah, I'm not continuing this. Luke not wanting to be found but leaving the map to his location with R2 is another good one
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 27, 2018 2:03:50 GMT
I liked the prequels :|
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Post by officerdonnz on Dec 27, 2018 2:12:27 GMT
As did I. They're far from perfect but enjoyable enough. My only real grip is that they totally and utterly destroy the mystery that had surrounded Darth Vader which made him such a good villain in the original trilogy. That I think to many is the prequels biggest sin.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 27, 2018 5:18:48 GMT
The prequels are okay. Would have been better minus Jar Jar and his people and those stupid droid army. And they could have found better actors for Anakin instead of emos.
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Post by river82 on Dec 27, 2018 7:12:03 GMT
My only real grip is that they totally and utterly destroy the mystery that had surrounded Darth Vader which made him such a good villain in the original trilogy. That I think to many is the prequels biggest sin.*Looks at midichlorians* ...
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Post by officerdonnz on Dec 27, 2018 7:29:46 GMT
My only real grip is that they totally and utterly destroy the mystery that had surrounded Darth Vader which made him such a good villain in the original trilogy. That I think to many is the prequels biggest sin.*Looks at midichlorians* ... You got me there. It's so bad I just think it never happened.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 27, 2018 14:52:03 GMT
The more I think about TLJ and the "A Star Wars Story" movies, the more I appreciate the prequels. And I hated the prequels, mostly because midi-chlorians, Angsty Teen Romance, and whiny bitch Anakin. I do like how Palpatine manipulated Anakin and the entire Senate. Devious and worthy of a Sith Lord.
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 27, 2018 17:34:30 GMT
The prequels are okay. Would have been better minus Jar Jar and his people and those stupid droid army. And they could have found better actors for Anakin instead of emos. Keep the droids just make them less goofy, but Jar Jar needs to go. IMO the PT needed a supervisor with enough clout to check Lucas' impulses, his character dialogue, and green screen abuse. Haley Joel Osment should have been casted as young Anakin instead, but keep Hayden (did decent work outside of SW) because Lucas' dialogue is shit, and was sorely in need of someone who would force him to fix it or hire a competent dialogue writer. Make the Naboo conflict take place on Alderaan in order to make the scene of the planet's destruction more impactful for latter viewings. Get rid of Anakin's destruction of the Trade Federation base, or make him the co-pilot of a veteran ace starfighter who he learns from. Spare Qui-Gon against Maul, Introduce Dooku earlier and have Qui-Gon die against him after refusing to convert, sending Obi-Wan on his sleuth quest after adopting Qui-Gon's former padawan, Anakin, as his own. I could go on, and on but that's enough... for now.
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Post by mybudgee on Dec 29, 2018 0:40:53 GMT
The prequels are aging so well in the wake of the Last Dumpster Fire
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 1:25:59 GMT
The prequels are okay. Would have been better minus Jar Jar and his people and those stupid droid army. And they could have found better actors for Anakin instead of emos. Jar Jar would have been okay had they made him to be the secret Sith Lord behind everything. Love that fan theory so much. Might have loved the prequels if it worked out that way.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 29, 2018 1:26:07 GMT
One set of quels resembles the universe, adds to what we knew, included characters from the EU using - wait wut - their actual name from the EU.
The other smells like the inside of a Tauntaun, without the charm or utility.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 1:31:59 GMT
As did I. They're far from perfect but enjoyable enough. My only real grip is that they totally and utterly destroy the mystery that had surrounded Darth Vader which made him such a good villain in the original trilogy. That I think to many is the prequels biggest sin. Turning Anakin into a annoyingly whiny bitch in a bad teen romance is worthy of Disney. Which is to say, Disney went out of its way to destroy the legend of Han Solo. And, as others have pointed out, every major event in Han's life happened in the span of a few days. To me, the Kessel Run was utterly destroyed in Solo, just as Darth Vader was in AotC and RotS. Though I didn't like TPM, it didn't wreck Vader. Wait, never mind. Midi-chlorians. So, yes, the entire prequel destroyed Darth Vader and...yes, this is one of my gripes...removed any connection Leia had to her mother as remembered in RotJ. Emotional content actually matters to me.
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Post by mybudgee on Dec 29, 2018 2:05:14 GMT
As did I. They're far from perfect but enjoyable enough. My only real grip is that they totally and utterly destroy the mystery that had surrounded Darth Vader which made him such a good villain in the original trilogy. That I think to many is the prequels biggest sin. Turning Anakin into a annoyingly whiny bitch in a bad teen romance is worthy of Disney. Which is to say, Disney went out of its way to destroy the legend of Han Solo. And, as others have pointed out, every major event in Han's life happened in the span of a few days. To me, the Kessel Run was utterly destroyed in Solo, just as Darth Vader was in AotC and RotS. Though I didn't like TPM, it didn't wreck Vader. Wait, never mind. Midi-chlorians. So, yes, the entire prequel destroyed Darth Vader and...yes, this is one of my gripes...removed any connection Leia had to her mother as remembered in RotJ. Emotional content actually matters to me.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 2:24:24 GMT
I wasn't commenting on Hayden Christensen. I was commenting on the character. Yes, I know Palpatine was fanning the flames, but not initially. As for Padme, Anakin wasn't asked to do anything that every other Jedi was't asked to do. You don't develop emotional attachments and he's a case study in why that's true.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 29, 2018 4:19:28 GMT
I wasn't commenting on Hayden Christensen. I was commenting on the character. Yes, I know Palpatine was fanning the flames, but not initially. As for Padme, Anakin wasn't asked to do anything that every other Jedi was't asked to do. You don't develop emotional attachments and he's a case study in why that's true. Yes, and that's why the Jedi Order failed. One of several reasons really, but a prime mover. Failed we have. - Yoda Arrogance was one major failing of the Jedi Council - pride before the fall. Part of that was thinking that Jedi could be and should be above the most basic of human needs - deep level companionship, whether it be lover or friend or both. That is unavoidable, at least by humans. Obi Wan had Satine, Yoda was giving Yaddle the wink wink nod nod, and you know Mace Windu was all over Aayla Secura. I'm sure there are some double-closeted BGLT Jedi running around with way too much on their minds to be worried properly about the Sith. The nuquels are right in that the Jedi Order was broken. How they have gone about illustrating it has the grace and elegance of a Rancor feeding. The EU and NJO did this far better, although it eventually became a mess too. Getting there though, ah, that was a pretty good journey.
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 29, 2018 4:54:56 GMT
Anakin's problem is that he already developed a personal attachment in Shimi, one that latter shifted to Padme (psychological surrogate for Shimi), before he was taken in by the jedi who thanks to their doctrines, barring Qui-Gon Jinn, weren't socially equipped to raise a scared kid who misses his mom. Combine that with Anakin who's under the tutelage of an impatient teacher who's more like a brother to him, not a parent due to their age gap, allowing someone like Palpatine due to the jedi's social shortcomings to pass himself off as a father figure to Anakin. The kind of father figure who takes their kids to strip clubs to teach them about why democracy is bad.
The above is why Yoda and Windu were apprehensive about taking Anakin in, because normally the jedi order adopted babies who have yet develop personal attachments like children in Anakin's age range.
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Post by mybudgee on Dec 29, 2018 6:26:18 GMT
I wasn't commenting on Hayden Christensen. I was commenting on the character. Yes, I know Palpatine was fanning the flames, but not initially. As for Padme, Anakin wasn't asked to do anything that every other Jedi was't asked to do. You don't develop emotional attachments and he's a case study in why that's true. So, you're trying to make a case as to why the Anakin arc makes much more sense than ANY sequel character? The prequels were cheesy & juvenile but they had an overall arc and had logical conclusions
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 6:36:10 GMT
I wasn't commenting on Hayden Christensen. I was commenting on the character. Yes, I know Palpatine was fanning the flames, but not initially. As for Padme, Anakin wasn't asked to do anything that every other Jedi was't asked to do. You don't develop emotional attachments and he's a case study in why that's true. So, you're trying to make a case as to why the Anakin arc makes much more sense than ANY sequel character? The prequels were cheesy & juvenile but they had an overall arc and had logical conclusions I think Lucas had a vision for his characters, as bad as it turned out. Disney seems to be throwing out things and seeing what sticks. The "A Star Wars Story" movies prove as much.
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Post by mybudgee on Dec 29, 2018 6:42:54 GMT
So, you're trying to make a case as to why the Anakin arc makes much more sense than ANY sequel character? The prequels were cheesy & juvenile but they had an overall arc and had logical conclusions I think Lucas had a vision for his characters, as bad as it turned out. Disney seems to be throwing out things and seeing what sticks. The "A Star Wars Story" movies prove as much. It's fucking bananas ... I thought the sequels would be decent & the anthologies would be awful I had it totally backwards
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 6:43:43 GMT
I think Lucas had a vision for his characters, as bad as it turned out. Disney seems to be throwing out things and seeing what sticks. The "A Star Wars Story" movies prove as much. It's fucking bananas ... I thought the sequels would be decent & the anthologies would be awful I had it totally backwards Solo?
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Post by mybudgee on Dec 29, 2018 6:58:15 GMT
It's fucking bananas ... I thought the sequels would be decent & the anthologies would be awful I had it totally backwards Solo? It was MUCH better than the Last Dumpster FireNot a great movie, but made sense & felt like Star Wars
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 16:22:37 GMT
It was MUCH better than the Last Dumpster FireNot a great movie, but made sense & felt like Star Wars Well, sure, but that doesn't make it good. As I said elsewhere, they crammed all the significant parts of his life into a week or so. Then the Kessel Run and that creature. No, sorry, that last one killed it for me.
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