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Post by Serza on May 28, 2019 22:48:28 GMT
Is that me or did he loop the vid (or parts) twice?
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Post by Serza on May 29, 2019 22:04:37 GMT
And in the end, as the Darkness takes me, I am nothing.
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Post by Serza on May 31, 2019 20:45:37 GMT
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Post by docsteely on Jun 1, 2019 0:03:59 GMT
He just heard about the new trilogy...
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Post by Serza on Jun 1, 2019 10:05:45 GMT
I have as much faith in Haar Mando'ad being good as I have in that trilogy being bad. It's Ruin's, right.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 2, 2019 6:03:59 GMT
I think I may have found a solid argument for why Rey is as powerful as she is in the New Trilogy. See, the Force has been shown to always act in a way so that a balance between the Light and Dark Side are always present. For example, when Darth Plageus tried to influence the midicholrians to create a weapon for the Sith, it resulted in the birth of Anakin Skywalker, who was always destined to destroy the Emperor. But when he turned dark and became Vader, the force influenced his children to defeat him.
Now in the case of the New Trilogy (Rey's era), the Dark Side of the Force has pretty much dominated the galaxy. Luke has gone into hiding and shut himself off the Force, meaning the only Force users out there are Snoke, Kylo Ren, and presumably the Knights of Ren. If the Force is going to have any chance to balance out such a HUGE amount of Dark Side power, it makes sense that they would end up making Rey the most powerful Jedi currently, while also influencing other kids in the galaxy. As for why her and not some other person, I assume that will be hinted at or revealed in Episode IX.
Edit: Forgot to mention, but if you're wondering about how she somehow learned Jedi tricks like lightsaber dueling, the mind trick, force pull, and levitation. It's implied in the Force Awakens that Rey is familiar with the story of Luke Skywalker (kind of like how a young kid is familiar with the story of Star Wars), and I'm pretty sure these myths also told of the many Jedi tricks used by Luke or other Jedi. This is also heavily implied in the Last Jedi when Rey argued with Luke about the goodness of the Force based on what happened in his story. So it's most likely that when she was captured and made aware of the fact that she's strong in the Force, she tried out the mind trick based on what she heard in the stories. I mean, it takes her three tries before finally getting it. Similarly, her ability to force pull the lightsaber and lift the rocks is based on the fact that she knew it was possible via the stories, and she had an intense belief in the Force allowing her to do it better and faster. (Remember, Luke couldn't lift the X-Wing due to a lack of belief) As for her lightsaber usage, lightsabers have been shown to pretty much just be glowing swords that anybody could use, so it's possible that Rey's experience with melee combat in Jaaku translated to her skills with a lightsaber.
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Post by mybudgee on Jun 4, 2019 16:50:57 GMT
I think I may have found a solid argument for why Rey is as powerful as she is in the New Trilogy. See, the Force has been shown to always act in a way so that a balance between the Light and Dark Side are always present. For example, when Darth Plageus tried to influence the midicholrians to create a weapon for the Sith, it resulted in the birth of Anakin Skywalker, who was always destined to destroy the Emperor. But when he turned dark and became Vader, the force influenced his children to defeat him. Now in the case of the New Trilogy (Rey's era), the Dark Side of the Force has pretty much dominated the galaxy. Luke has gone into hiding and shut himself off the Force, meaning the only Force users out there are Snoke, Kylo Ren, and presumably the Knights of Ren. If the Force is going to have any chance to balance out such a HUGE amount of Dark Side power, it makes sense that they would end up making Rey the most powerful Jedi currently, while also influencing other kids in the galaxy. As for why her and not some other person, I assume that will be hinted at or revealed in Episode IX. Edit: Forgot to mention, but if you're wondering about how she somehow learned Jedi tricks like lightsaber dueling, the mind trick, force pull, and levitation. It's implied in the Force Awakens that Rey is familiar with the story of Luke Skywalker (kind of like how a young kid is familiar with the story of Star Wars), and I'm pretty sure these myths also told of the many Jedi tricks used by Luke or other Jedi. This is also heavily implied in the Last Jedi when Rey argued with Luke about the goodness of the Force based on what happened in his story. So it's most likely that when she was captured and made aware of the fact that she's strong in the Force, she tried out the mind trick based on what she heard in the stories. I mean, it takes her three tries before finally getting it. Similarly, her ability to force pull the lightsaber and lift the rocks is based on the fact that she knew it was possible via the stories, and she had an intense belief in the Force allowing her to do it better and faster. (Remember, Luke couldn't lift the X-Wing due to a lack of belief) As for her lightsaber usage, lightsabers have been shown to pretty much just be glowing swords that anybody could use, so it's possible that Rey's experience with melee combat in Jaaku translated to her skills with a lightsaber. It is nothing more than BAD WRITING
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 4, 2019 17:03:07 GMT
I think I may have found a solid argument for why Rey is as powerful as she is in the New Trilogy. See, the Force has been shown to always act in a way so that a balance between the Light and Dark Side are always present. For example, when Darth Plageus tried to influence the midicholrians to create a weapon for the Sith, it resulted in the birth of Anakin Skywalker, who was always destined to destroy the Emperor. But when he turned dark and became Vader, the force influenced his children to defeat him. Now in the case of the New Trilogy (Rey's era), the Dark Side of the Force has pretty much dominated the galaxy. Luke has gone into hiding and shut himself off the Force, meaning the only Force users out there are Snoke, Kylo Ren, and presumably the Knights of Ren. If the Force is going to have any chance to balance out such a HUGE amount of Dark Side power, it makes sense that they would end up making Rey the most powerful Jedi currently, while also influencing other kids in the galaxy. As for why her and not some other person, I assume that will be hinted at or revealed in Episode IX. Edit: Forgot to mention, but if you're wondering about how she somehow learned Jedi tricks like lightsaber dueling, the mind trick, force pull, and levitation. It's implied in the Force Awakens that Rey is familiar with the story of Luke Skywalker (kind of like how a young kid is familiar with the story of Star Wars), and I'm pretty sure these myths also told of the many Jedi tricks used by Luke or other Jedi. This is also heavily implied in the Last Jedi when Rey argued with Luke about the goodness of the Force based on what happened in his story. So it's most likely that when she was captured and made aware of the fact that she's strong in the Force, she tried out the mind trick based on what she heard in the stories. I mean, it takes her three tries before finally getting it. Similarly, her ability to force pull the lightsaber and lift the rocks is based on the fact that she knew it was possible via the stories, and she had an intense belief in the Force allowing her to do it better and faster. (Remember, Luke couldn't lift the X-Wing due to a lack of belief) As for her lightsaber usage, lightsabers have been shown to pretty much just be glowing swords that anybody could use, so it's possible that Rey's experience with melee combat in Jaaku translated to her skills with a lightsaber. If believing in the force with all your heart was all it took to become a force god we'd see Anakin rivaling Yoda and Palpatine before RoTS. In a canon tie-in comic, Anakin the force Jesus struggled to learn the mind trick and was reassured by Kenobi that everyone doesn't have same aptitude in learning new force abilities. Without any teacher or texts Rey succeeding in the mind trick because she just believes, and defeating Kylo, an adept at saber combat with real battle experience, in a saber duel after only holding one for a few minutes highlights my issue with her character. That unlike the franchise's other protagonists the only struggle/conflict with her character is the acceptance of her parents being nobodies. The force, Deus Ex Machina, actively seeking to turn Rey into it's avatar for balancing the force only robs her character of agency, and depth.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 4, 2019 17:14:34 GMT
Well, you gotta believe that the current Star Wars story is good, too, so it makes for plausible explanation.
I rather go with pure minichlorides manifesting in physical human form. The force does not need to learn the force.
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Post by Serza on Jun 4, 2019 19:41:01 GMT
SOMEONE here forgot that fucking REVAN of all people took MONTHS to RELEARN all the skills he ONCE POSSESSED.
It is actually DIRECTLY STATED in Knights of the Old Republic.
Nothing but writing a sane man should facepalm at.
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Post by Lavochkin on Jun 4, 2019 20:01:01 GMT
The only thing well written about Rey is her theme song.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 4, 2019 21:00:14 GMT
SOMEONE here forgot that fucking REVAN of all people took MONTHS to RELEARN all the skills he ONCE POSSESSED. It is actually DIRECTLY STATED in Knights of the Old Republic. Nothing but writing a sane man should facepalm at. KOTOR isn’t canon to the movies though (better stay that way). Just saying.
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Post by Serza on Jun 4, 2019 21:02:08 GMT
You trolling right now?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 4, 2019 23:24:15 GMT
If you mean me, no I'm not. KOTOR is not part of the canon EU so it being different than what the movies do doesn't make the movies wrong. And I don't want KOTOR to be part of the movie canon because I don't want it being messed up. If even Bioware who made KOTOR messed things up with it in SWTOR, then I have no faith in anybody else doing things any better.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 5, 2019 1:11:49 GMT
If you mean me, no I'm not. KOTOR is not part of the canon EU so it being different than what the movies do doesn't make the movies wrong. And I don't want KOTOR to be part of the movie canon because I don't want it being messed up. If even Bioware who made KOTOR messed things up with it in SWTOR, then I have no faith in anybody else doing things any better. Honestly, I guess it depends on your version of "messed-up." I of course don't want to see them re-do the story of KOTOR, but I would like to at least have some movie that confirmed that characters like Bastilla, Revan, and Malak did exist in the new canon. Or at the very least, see if they could bring the Selkath race into the canon. I love these characters sure, but I'm not against seeing what new things they could do with them. Particularly with Revan since aside from the sequel novels and SWTOR, there wasn't really a pre-set personality for him.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 5, 2019 1:15:56 GMT
If you mean me, no I'm not. KOTOR is not part of the canon EU so it being different than what the movies do doesn't make the movies wrong. And I don't want KOTOR to be part of the movie canon because I don't want it being messed up. If even Bioware who made KOTOR messed things up with it in SWTOR, then I have no faith in anybody else doing things any better. Honestly, I guess it depends on your version of "messed-up." I of course don't want to see them re-do the story of KOTOR, but I would like to at least have some movie that confirmed that characters like Bastilla, Revan, and Malak did exist in the new canon. Or at the very least, see if they could bring the Selkath race into the canon. I love these characters sure, but I'm not against seeing what new things they could do with them. Particularly with Revan since aside from the sequel novels and SWTOR, there wasn't really a pre-set personality for him. The Selkath are canon. We saw them a couple times in the Clone Wars series. As for the characters, okay maybe mentions of them would be fine but only as long as they never go into detail (like Revan's actions or even sex).
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 5, 2019 1:19:04 GMT
Well, you gotta believe that the current Star Wars story is good, too, so it makes for plausible explanation. I personally don't have a problem with this current story, including Rey. But I'm not trying to defend her and say that she has no flaws in her writing, because she admittedly does. I do like to think that if there's at least SOME logical sense to the way she's portrayed, it's fun to think about but not actively say this is DEFINITIVELY it. Personally, a movie needs to succeed at making me invested in characters, the story, and world to the point where I overlook various "plot-holes" or "contrivances" simply for the sake of enjoying the experience. So far, I've enjoyed every Star Wars story, since even in movies like the Last Jedi, while the execution wasn't perfect, it still had some interesting ideas. Not to mention it did quite a lot of things right to be enjoyable, from the effects to some of the interesting dialogue on Ach-to. I also found it to be the most visually amazing movie of the series.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 5, 2019 1:21:49 GMT
The Selkath are canon. We saw them a couple times in the Clone Wars series. As for the characters, okay maybe mentions of them would be fine but only as long as they never go into detail (like Revan's actions or even sex). Well, I'm not so sure about that either. Again, in the old EU, there were a lot of novels, comics, and heck even SWTOR that pretty much gave a definitive version of what Revan's supposed to be like. According to most source materials, he's suppossed to be a guy, he's suppossed to have long shoulder-length brown hair, and he's suppossed to be the good guy and married to Bastilla.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 5, 2019 1:27:21 GMT
The Selkath are canon. We saw them a couple times in the Clone Wars series. As for the characters, okay maybe mentions of them would be fine but only as long as they never go into detail (like Revan's actions or even sex). Well, I'm not so sure about that either. Again, in the old EU, there were a lot of novels, comics, and heck even SWTOR that pretty much gave a definitive version of what Revan's supposed to be like. According to most source materials, he's suppossed to be a guy, he's suppossed to have long shoulder-length brown hair, and he's suppossed to be the good guy and married to Bastilla. And I hated all of those things because of it. I refuse to acknowledge them as valid (and thanks to Disney making the old EU non-canon that's valid).
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