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Post by JayKay on Dec 10, 2016 23:49:47 GMT
By the way, can I just say that it's very ironic that the ME that is written by one of the Halo games writers basically creates a similar Master Chief/Cortana relationship? Write what you know, I guess.
That said, I believe that writer did Halo 4, so don't be surprised if SAM breaks our hearts at some point.
Also, in terms of spoilers, right now I'm not even remotely close to passing my spoiler threshold. We probably only know, like, 5% of the game, if that. I was able to watch most of DAI's livestreams and still have a bunch of cool surprises by the time I got the game in my hands.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 0:00:36 GMT
Yep. I could elaborate a bit further, with a few ideas about Andromeda tech taken from the few magazine articles we've had. I don't want to get too spoilery in the character threads, though.I understand and appreciate that. I'm not entirely sure I'd want to know right now (though I have seen some stuff on SAM already that spoiled a bit). I'm getting to the point where I'm ready to go dark on any new info on Andromeda. Don't want to spoil the game too much (like I did with ME2). I'm waiting for the last companions to be shown and maybe a few of the Li's, but I might even skip out on that latter part. I've never hung around for any of this "spoiler time", before, so I'm having a hard time deciding when to bolt. I think I'll leave soon, too, if I can pry myself away. I had too many questions about MEA that needed answers, initially, but I'm nearing the point of feeling contented. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2016 0:03:17 GMT
Not sure how I feel about this whole SAM being a permanent part of you. If that is the case, I would prefer something like that be a player choice, and this paints an unhappy precedent about how much Bioware will assume about supposedly our character.
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Post by AGECCR on Dec 11, 2016 0:13:05 GMT
I've never hung around for any of this "spoiler time", before, so I'm having a hard time deciding when to bolt. I think I'll leave soon, too, if I can pry myself away. I had too many questions about MEA that needed answers, initially, but I'm nearing the point of feeling contented. Completely get that. This is a brand new direction for the franchise and a new chapter in its "book". We all want to know if it's going to be good and that it's still Mass Effect. And, I'd forgotten that the writer for Halo 4 popped in for this. I haven't played that game, so I'm not sure what to conclude here. The Master Chief and Cortana relationship parallel is interesting to note in regards to SAM and the Pathfinder. With the input from the rest of the writers at Bioware, I hope we see an interesting evolution in this and not the same story re-hashed. Don't think it will be, I expect better from a writer who sets it as his/her profession. |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 0:17:30 GMT
Not sure how I feel about this whole SAM being a permanent part of you. If that is the case, I would prefer something like that be a player choice, and this paints an unhappy precedent about how much Bioware will assume about supposedly our character. If SAM is what I think it is, which is only one possibility, then taking on SAM is a part of taking on the Pathfinder role. Some might think it's great, others might think it's intrusive. In either case, it's simply part of the job. In that way, it's sort of realistic. I understand your viewpoint, of course. I know you like as much free-agency as possible. I thought I'd try to offer a silver lining, of sorts, assuming our speculations are even true.  It's entirely possible that SAM is as independent as EDI was, and simply communicates with us via our equipment in a similar way. That Pathfinder implant could just be a subcutaneous comlink, among other things. |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 0:24:16 GMT
I've never hung around for any of this "spoiler time", before, so I'm having a hard time deciding when to bolt. I think I'll leave soon, too, if I can pry myself away. I had too many questions about MEA that needed answers, initially, but I'm nearing the point of feeling contented. Completely get that. This is a brand new direction for the franchise and a new chapter in its "book". We all want to know if it's going to be good and that it's still Mass Effect. And, I'd forgotten that the writer for Halo 4 popped in for this. I haven't played that game, so I'm not sure what to conclude here. The Master Chief and Cortana relationship parallel is interesting to note in regards to SAM and the Pathfinder. With the input from the rest of the writers at Bioware, I hope we see an interesting evolution in this and not the same story re-hashed. Don't think it will be, I expect better from a writer who sets it as his/her profession. Chris Schlerf left a long time ago, and isn't writing SAM at this point, if he ever was, so I'd not expect a repeat of Cortana. Maybe the intimate nature of their bond, if our guesses are accurate, was an inspiration. The characters will surely be unique, though. Full Disclosure: I never played the Halo series, since I can't physically tolerate FPS. I am familiar with the story only through reading, rather than first-hand experience. |
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Post by azarhal on Dec 11, 2016 0:32:35 GMT
Reading that new info makes me think SAM is in Ryder's Omni Tool or Suit, but can also go into drones (Nomad) or spaceship (systems) and may or may not have a specific Robobody as well. The famous leak, that has proven remarkably accurate, said we'd have a synthetic squaddie. Fabrice also used the word "robot" in his comments about SAM. I'm inclined to think that SAM does have a humanoid platform that allows him to serve as a squadmate, as much as I'd prefer otherwise, at present. I definitely think SAM is "in our omnitool". I think SAM is actually "in our head", so to speak, by way of our Pathfinder implants. Time will tell if I'm on the right path with that speculation. I gave a bit more detail above. The survey leak doesn't mention a synthetic squaddie, only Cora and Drack (I just reread it to be sure). I do not know any other "famous leak" that has proven accurate outside of that one (and it was the first real leak we got for the game). Mind telling me what other "famous leak" I missed? |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 0:44:11 GMT
The famous leak, that has proven remarkably accurate, said we'd have a synthetic squaddie. Fabrice also used the word "robot" in his comments about SAM. I'm inclined to think that SAM does have a humanoid platform that allows him to serve as a squadmate, as much as I'd prefer otherwise, at present. I definitely think SAM is "in our omnitool". I think SAM is actually "in our head", so to speak, by way of our Pathfinder implants. Time will tell if I'm on the right path with that speculation. I gave a bit more detail above. The survey leak doesn't mention a synthetic squaddie, only Cora and Drack (I just reread it to be sure). I do not know any other "famous leak" that has proven accurate outside of that one (and it was the first real leak we got for the game). Mind telling me what other "famous leak" I missed? Huh. That's what I get for assuming.  Everyone keeps citing this "leak" that promised a synthetic squaddie. If it's not that, then I don't know what they've seen. I'll do some poking around after I recharge my battery. Edit: According to NeoGAF, the synthetic squadmate "mini leak" traces back to the old BSN. This means it was likely archived by Fexelea on fextralife.com, but I lack the initiative to search for it. |
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Post by azarhal on Dec 11, 2016 3:24:06 GMT
The survey leak doesn't mention a synthetic squaddie, only Cora and Drack (I just reread it to be sure). I do not know any other "famous leak" that has proven accurate outside of that one (and it was the first real leak we got for the game). Mind telling me what other "famous leak" I missed? Huh. That's what I get for assuming. Everyone keeps citing this "leak" that promised a synthetic squaddie. If it's not that, then I don't know what they've seen. I'll do some poking around after I recharge my battery. Edit: According to NeoGAF, the synthetic squadmate "mini leak" traces back to the old BSN. This means it was likely archived by Fexelea on fextralife.com, but I lack the initiative to search for it. I found a video with a screenshot of that "leak". |
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Post by Fredward on Dec 11, 2016 16:40:47 GMT
If SAM's somehow embedded in you then
SAM: You should ask him whether he'd be interested in pursuing a sexual relationship.
Ryder: What. What even makes you think- I don't want to sleep with him SAM!
SAM: Then why is the neural pathway for the song "Bone Train" firing?
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 11, 2016 17:05:30 GMT
Fabrice Condominas said SAM is permanently connected to us, yet it was on Alec before, why and how it's connected to us and not on Alec anymore?
I also wonder if it's connected to both Scott and Sara or just the protagonist sibling.
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Post by JayKay on Dec 11, 2016 17:22:14 GMT
Fabrice Condominas said SAM is permanently connected to us, yet it was on Alec before, why and how it's connected to us and not on Alec anymore? I also wonder if it's connected to both Scott and Sara or just the protagonist sibling. I think I saw someone say that SAM helped Alec speed up his healing process. Maybe he sees the player Ryder dying after the crash and decides to take SAM off of him and put it in them? Better to potentially sacrifice himself than let one of his children die. |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 19:19:33 GMT
Huh. That's what I get for assuming. Everyone keeps citing this "leak" that promised a synthetic squaddie. If it's not that, then I don't know what they've seen. I'll do some poking around after I recharge my battery. Edit: According to NeoGAF, the synthetic squadmate "mini leak" traces back to the old BSN. This means it was likely archived by Fexelea on fextralife.com, but I lack the initiative to search for it. I found a video with a screenshot of that "leak". Oh, it was that thing. I was on hiatus when that was posted. It was still being discussed, off and on, when I came back in June. Nice find. Fabrice Condominas said SAM is permanently connected to us, yet it was on Alec before, why and how it's connected to us and not on Alec anymore? I also wonder if it's connected to both Scott and Sara or just the protagonist sibling. Alec was the Pathfinder, but isn't anymore. Only one sibling replaces him. I suspect SAM supports the Pathfinder by design. Also, Fabrice didn't say that about SAM, I said that about SAM, further up thread. It seems to be gaining inordinate traction for this stage of the game. I do thing the evidence is strong, but it's still just my suspicion until proven true.
Wrong. Fabrice did say it. Element Zero needs to wake up (and re-read articles, perhaps?) before posting and embarrassing himself.  Fabrice Condominas said SAM is permanently connected to us, yet it was on Alec before, why and how it's connected to us and not on Alec anymore? I also wonder if it's connected to both Scott and Sara or just the protagonist sibling. <Spoilery Comment Redacted> I'd be interested in seeing whatever you saw, but that should probably be in a spoiler block, seeing as it contains story-spoilers. |
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Post by KirkyX on Dec 11, 2016 19:57:25 GMT
I found a video with a screenshot of that "leak". Oh, it was that thing. I was on hiatus when that was posted. It was still being discussed, off and on, when I came back in June. Nice find. Fabrice Condominas said SAM is permanently connected to us, yet it was on Alec before, why and how it's connected to us and not on Alec anymore? I also wonder if it's connected to both Scott and Sara or just the protagonist sibling. Alec was the Pathfinder, but isn't anymore. Only one sibling replaces him. I suspect SAM supports the Pathfinder by design. Also, Fabrice didn't say that about SAM, I said that about SAM, further up thread. It seems to be gaining inordinate traction for this stage of the game. I do thing the evidence is strong, but it's still just my suspicion until proven true. <Spoilery Comment Redacted> I'd be interested in seeing whatever you saw, but that should probably be in a spoiler block, seeing as it contains story-spoilers. Unless I'm pretty dramatically misinterpreting this part of the interview: "It is connected to you permanently and was connected to - and knew - your father, Alec." It looks like Fabrice totally said that about SAM? I mean, I guess there's some ambiguity in the sentence over whether SAM was 'permanently' connected to Alec, but the way I read it, SAM had the same sort of connection with dad as it now does with the Ryder we play as. How that supposedly permanent connection was severed will, I imagine, be a significant early-game plot point, in one way or another. Sorry if I'm missing something super obvious. |
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Post by JayKay on Dec 11, 2016 19:58:33 GMT
<Spoilery Comment Redacted> I'd be interested in seeing whatever you saw, but that should probably be in a spoiler block, seeing as it contains story-spoilers. Sorry about that, just edited my post. As for where I got my idea, I actually got it from what The Elder King said earlier in the thread, talking about a polish magazine that talked about the start of the game. |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 20:06:55 GMT
Oh, it was that thing. I was on hiatus when that was posted. It was still being discussed, off and on, when I came back in June. Nice find. Alec was the Pathfinder, but isn't anymore. Only one sibling replaces him. I suspect SAM supports the Pathfinder by design. Also, Fabrice didn't say that about SAM, I said that about SAM, further up thread. It seems to be gaining inordinate traction for this stage of the game. I do thing the evidence is strong, but it's still just my suspicion until proven true. I'd be interested in seeing whatever you saw, but that should probably be in a spoiler block, seeing as it contains story-spoilers. Unless I'm pretty dramatically misinterpreting this part of the interview: "It is connected to you permanently and was connected to - and knew - your father, Alec." It looks like Fabrice totally said that about SAM? I mean, I guess there's some ambiguity in the sentence over whether SAM was 'permanently' connected to Alec, but the way I read it, SAM had the same sort of connection with dad as it now does with the Ryder we play as. How that supposedly permanent connection was severed will, I imagine, be a significant early-game plot point, in one way or another. Sorry if I'm missing something super obvious. Okay. I just got up for the day and should've read it again before posting that bit, it seems.  I'll make some edits. Thanks, Kirky. |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 20:11:51 GMT
I'd be interested in seeing whatever you saw, but that should probably be in a spoiler block, seeing as it contains story-spoilers. Sorry about that, just edited my post. As for where I got my idea, I actually got it from what The Elder King said earlier in the thread, talking about a polish magazine that talked about the start of the game. Gotcha. I can clean up some of the details for you, if you wish. I'd do it via PM, to avoid spoilers for ours. |
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Post by JayKay on Dec 11, 2016 20:32:25 GMT
Sorry about that, just edited my post. As for where I got my idea, I actually got it from what The Elder King said earlier in the thread, talking about a polish magazine that talked about the start of the game. Gotcha. I can clean up some of the details for you, if you wish. I'd do it via PM, to avoid spoilers for ours. Yeah, sure.  |
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Post by javeart on Dec 11, 2016 20:44:50 GMT
If SAM's somehow embedded in you then SAM: You should ask him whether he'd be interested in pursuing a sexual relationship. Ryder: What. What even makes you think- I don't want to sleep with him SAM! SAM: Then why is the neural pathway for the song "Bone Train" firing? I'm really going to need a switch to turn him off. Or some kind of virtual sleeping pills or something to make sure he takes some long, long naps from time to time I think the idea of having someone bound to you physically is at the same time really interesting and fun and really disgusting. And I don't know why it troubles me so much, because I'm always ready to drink from the well of sorrows, and surely this can't be much worse  . |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 21:01:12 GMT
If SAM's somehow embedded in you then SAM: You should ask him whether he'd be interested in pursuing a sexual relationship. Ryder: What. What even makes you think- I don't want to sleep with him SAM! SAM: Then why is the neural pathway for the song "Bone Train" firing? I'm really going to need a switch to turn him off. Or some kind of virtual sleeping pills or something to make sure he takes some long, long naps from time to time I think the idea of having someone bound to you physically is at the same time really interesting and fun and really disgusting. And I don't know why it troubles me so much, because I'm always ready to drink from the well of sorrows, and surely this can't be much worse . It's not any different than being aboard Normandy SR2. EDI may as well have been installed via hardware. EDI monitored the crew's vitals to an intrusive degree, at times, studying behaviors. (Poor Samantha.) It heard and saw everything. When you disembarked, EDI was in your ear. I'm sure SAM will be awesome. It could be handy to have an on-board AI/VI to optimize things, push medigel if you're unconscious, serve as an extra set of eyes or an additional scheming mind for devious plans, etc... |
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Post by javeart on Dec 11, 2016 21:15:12 GMT
I'm really going to need a switch to turn him off. Or some kind of virtual sleeping pills or something to make sure he takes some long, long naps from time to time I think the idea of having someone bound to you physically is at the same time really interesting and fun and really disgusting. And I don't know why it troubles me so much, because I'm always ready to drink from the well of sorrows, and surely this can't be much worse . It's not any different than being aboard Normandy SR2. EDI may as well have been installed via hardware. EDI monitored the crew's vitals to an intrusive degree, at times, studying behaviors. (Poor Samantha.) It heard and saw everything. When you disembarked, EDI was in your ear. I'm sure SAM will be awesome. It could be handy to have an on-board AI/VI to optimize things, push medigel if you're unconscious, serve as an extra set of eyes or an additional scheming mind for devious plans, etc...Well, he better be useful, I'm not carryng him around with me so he can know everything I do or say just for the sake of it I'm sure he'll be awesome, anyway I'm mostly joking  , but it's true that I find the concept terribly intrusive (I'm sure you could block EDI out while you're not in the Normandy at least, you talk to her because you want to, no?), and you see, I was planning to RP a Ryder who's not very convinced about the whole exploration thing (because I'm not) and is going mostly to take care, or help, her family... and, well she really got into a huge mess she's not seeing her friends ever again, now she carries a synthetic guy in her body everywhere... The pathfinder is making really big sacrifices if you ask me, I really hope Andromeda it's worth it |
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 21:32:17 GMT
It's not any different than being aboard Normandy SR2. EDI may as well have been installed via hardware. EDI monitored the crew's vitals to an intrusive degree, at times, studying behaviors. (Poor Samantha.) It heard and saw everything. When you disembarked, EDI was in your ear. I'm sure SAM will be awesome. It could be handy to have an on-board AI/VI to optimize things, push medigel if you're unconscious, serve as an extra set of eyes or an additional scheming mind for devious plans, etc...Well, he better be useful, I'm not carryng him around with me so he can know everything I do or say just for the sake of it I'm sure he'll be awesome, anyway I'm mostly joking , but it's true that I find the concept terribly intrusive (I'm sure you could block EDI out while you're not in the Normandy at least, you talk to her because you want to, no?), and you see, I was planning to RP a Ryder who's not very convinced about the whole exploration thing (because I'm not) and is going mostly to take care, or help, her family... and, well she really got into a huge mess she's not seeing her friends ever again, now she carries a synthetic guy in her body everywhere... The pathfinder is making really big sacrifices if you ask me, I really hope Andromeda it's worth it I hope this is something that can be discussed regarding the relationship with SAM. It's a pretty big sacrifice for the job, for those who aren't thrilled about it. The game should probably acknowledge that. |
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Post by javeart on Dec 11, 2016 21:43:11 GMT
Well, he better be useful, I'm not carryng him around with me so he can know everything I do or say just for the sake of it I'm sure he'll be awesome, anyway I'm mostly joking , but it's true that I find the concept terribly intrusive (I'm sure you could block EDI out while you're not in the Normandy at least, you talk to her because you want to, no?), and you see, I was planning to RP a Ryder who's not very convinced about the whole exploration thing (because I'm not) and is going mostly to take care, or help, her family... and, well she really got into a huge mess she's not seeing her friends ever again, now she carries a synthetic guy in her body everywhere... The pathfinder is making really big sacrifices if you ask me, I really hope Andromeda it's worth it I hope this is something that can be discussed regarding the relationship with SAM. It's a pretty big sacrifice for the job, for those who aren't thrilled about it. The game should probably acknowledge that. You know, I'm so optimistic about the game right now, that I think it might do But it'd definitely be nice, specially if our relationship with him can develop just like with evey other squadmate. If that was the case, I can imagine my Ryder being super uncofortable with SAM in the beginning, and letting it show, tbut ending up really caring a lot for him and all, because all the things they have gone through (very literally) together (right now my imagination is running wild and I'm picturing her crying because he dies at the end and she regrets being so cold to him and making him feel so unwelcomed at first ) |
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 13, 2016 12:50:05 GMT
Unless I'm pretty dramatically misinterpreting this part of the interview: "It is connected to you permanently and was connected to - and knew - your father, Alec." When I first heard that I was just thinking it was an emotional connection rather than a physical one. You are more emotionally connected to Sam than you were to EDI because of Sam's connection to your father. It never occurred to me that it could be a physical connection! I really don't think you could fit the necessary hardware to support an AI inside an implant. Didn't EDI take up a large part of the ship to house her Core? If there's anything implanted I think it would have to just be a comm link of some kind. |
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Post by azarhal on Dec 13, 2016 13:29:13 GMT
Unless I'm pretty dramatically misinterpreting this part of the interview: "It is connected to you permanently and was connected to - and knew - your father, Alec." When I first heard that I was just thinking it was an emotional connection rather than a physical one. You are more emotionally connected to Sam than you were to EDI because of Sam's connection to your father. That's how I interpreted it the first time I read it too. Hence, me speculating that it was something your father gave you (or that you inherited I guess) instead of being part of the Pathfinder program. The full context: It is connected to you permanently and was connected to - and knew - your father, Alec. There's a very specific relationship there. It's more of a partner than EDI was - you're way closer emotionally to SAM. |
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, but it's true that I find the concept terribly intrusive (I'm sure you could block EDI out while you're not in the Normandy at least, you talk to her because you want to, no?), and you see, I was planning to RP a Ryder who's not very convinced about the whole exploration thing (because I'm not) and is going mostly to take care, or help, her family... and, well she really got into a huge mess 