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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 16:54:15 GMT
Charging blindly isn't wise, rather stupidity, but showing hesitation in sharp position also not good. Alistair prone to this, despite yes, he probably capable to lead, but he don't think that. Morrigan not a senior warden, Alistair is. The person can be strong and lack the leadership skill. So far I have seen no unwarranted hesitation from Alistair; he deals. Morrigan does not belong to the Grey Wardens, so she is not constricted by the oath and the organization's hierarchy at all. She told me it is a stupid question to ask her why she is staying. The answer is that she is obeying her mother. She choses to submit to the other mage in the party (my character), just like Alistair instead of contesting that she is the most powerful, and we all should just do what she thinks is the right thing to do (assassinate Loghain). So, she does exactly the same thing as Alistair, sensing whatever it is that makes the PC the natural leader in the game, I guess, my character's raw charisma or her uber-magic powers and Morrigan deffers to the PC just like Alistair. Morrigan's pecking on Alistair for exactly the same thing she does is petty, and a sign of weakness. Morrigan expects the PC to join in the bullying too, instead of doing what must be done, and not play petty rivalry games. Which Alistair is strong enough not to. He is not acting like a small despot and pulling the rank. Good on him. This is true. My Wardens never supported Morrigan in all. In fact, they supported her only in few things, rather persuaded her to support. Mostly really hard to agree with her. (But somehow I can understand her position and her behavior.)
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This is true. My Wardens never supported Morrigan in all. In fact, they supported her only in few things, rather persuaded her to support. Mostly really hard to agree with her. (But somehow I can understand her position and her behavior.) Morrigan can be difficult to understand, only with talking with her (and gifting a certain item) you will find our why she is like that [...]
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Ah that's okay. I tried. Sometimes characters don't click. Would it be possible to post what you think after you finish? I'm curious as to what you think. Do I strike you as a reserved individual that rarely if ever speaks her mind? I assure you, save for an unlikely catastrophe that results in a Canada-wide Internet outage, you are doomed to hear what I think while I play, because nobody I know plays these games.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Dec 20, 2016 22:18:34 GMT
Morrigan may believe that the whole world is inferior to her,that's fine I don't care as long as she will not be part of any other game from now on,I have no interest to deal with her or her DR-romancers and DR supporters again and again like I had to do in the past,what I want now from Bioware is this HoF be killed once and for all and these witch to never be seen again.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 21, 2016 7:50:49 GMT
Ah that's okay. I tried. Sometimes characters don't click. Would it be possible to post what you think after you finish? I'm curious as to what you think. Do I strike you as a reserved individual that rarely if ever speaks her mind? I assure you, save for an unlikely catastrophe that results in a Canada-wide Internet outage, you are doomed to hear what I think while I play, because nobody I know plays these games. This will be grand! ;-)
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Post by phoray on Dec 21, 2016 21:13:35 GMT
I love Alistair because, no matter what I've been doing, he believes I can set things right. That belief is powerful and humbling. I also find him super adorable. he believes in true love, and this can get him killed.
I love Zevran because he's funny. He hides his depth with sexual innuendo. The fact that you find him flip flopping between suicidal and not seems lost on most. Some of his more caring dialogue seems to only come out when you are mean to him. Like, breaking up with him, he is very sad and admits to having been in love with you, sometimes to the point that he can't dare remain with the party. Then, if you kill the elves, his speech about that is also very telling of a man that doesn't just kill to kill with no thought except for the job.
I think Leliana is mostly creepy and despite not being noble, has some confusion about her priveledged life. She sings a good song, and she means well. She's not all around bad, but I hve to give her the dislike vote.
Oghren's only redeeming quality is his speech at the final battle which is downright heartwarming. But he doesn't pretend to be anything but what he is; a disgraced drunk. Honesty isn't pretty sometimes haha
Sten won me over the moment he said that he would find his own redemption. Increased with his cookie silliness. And I respect what he tries to do at Haven by taking over the group, and when he fails, he fights your leadership no more.
Dog is dog. Gotta love his tongue baths.
Loghain is complex, but mostly his greatest moment, for me, is in his death. Does that mean I love him?
Morrigan is, again, a complex character. Most of the games I've played thus far have kept her at camp, and I was agreeing with her a lot for points, and so her affection and calling me sister was touching and won me over. Then I learned to RP better on the next PT. and some of the stuff she says, expects, is frustrating. The end of that PT came with the cherry of her telling me to not let Loghain do the US, because then he'd get the glory....which was so far off from my Warden's wants and direction in life, I looked at her as if she were a stranger. What happened to my sister that didn't want me to die? And this was full affection points, so it must have been decided by dialogue post flemeth killing, how she would relate to the Warden later.
I'm getting tired of Wynne after 4 PTs of her being miss Grandma Opinion. I especially butted heads with her as a mage, as she projected all here desires of improving the Circle onto my Warden. But overall, she is not a bad person, I'm just weary of her.
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Post by javeart on Dec 22, 2016 22:54:41 GMT
I chose Morrigan, because I think she's truly despicable in DAO, but I have to say that I think she's a great character and I love to hate her. In fact, Morrigan could be among my favourites companions of DAO (with Zevran, Alistair, Sten and Shale), and she would rank better than others which I find mostly likable, like Leliana, Oghren or Wynne. DAO cast is my favourite in any case, I've been tempted to pick love them all, in some sense it would be true. Edit: I can't think of Logain as a companion, and I hated him in DAO, (as it should be ) but I quie liked him in the book
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Post by Catilina on Dec 22, 2016 23:13:30 GMT
I chose Morrigan, because I think she's truly despicable in DAO, but I have to say that I think she's a great character and I love to hate her. In fact, Morrigan could be among my favourites companions of DAO (with Zevran, Alistair, Sten and Shale), and she would rank better than others which I find mostly likable, like Leliana, Oghren or Wynne. DAO cast is my favourite in any case, I've been tempted to pick love them all, in some sense it would be true. Edit: I can't think of Logain as a companion, and I hated him in DAO, (as it should be ) but I quie liked him in the book At least Loghain not annoying as companion, and excellent sacrifical-material either at Arch-Demon or later, in the Fade
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Post by javeart on Dec 22, 2016 23:22:20 GMT
I chose Morrigan, because I think she's truly despicable in DAO, but I have to say that I think she's a great character and I love to hate her. In fact, Morrigan could be among my favourites companions of DAO (with Zevran, Alistair, Sten and Shale), and she would rank better than others which I find mostly likable, like Leliana, Oghren or Wynne. DAO cast is my favourite in any case, I've been tempted to pick love them all, in some sense it would be true. Edit: I can't think of Logain as a companion, and I hated him in DAO, (as it should be ) but I quie liked him in the book At least Loghain not annoying as companion, and excellent sacrifical-material either at Arch-Demon or later, in the Fade Well, that's true but poor Alistair, I like him a lot, I don't like forcing him to marry Ainora, let alone turning him into a drunk, I think he would rather die killing the Archdemon himself Stroud dies like a hero in the Fade, anyway
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Post by secretrare on Dec 23, 2016 16:48:05 GMT
Morrigan may believe that the whole world is inferior to her,that's fine I don't care as long as she will not be part of any other game from now on,I have no interest to deal with her or her DR-romancers and DR supporters again and again like I had to do in the past,what I want now from Bioware is this HoF be killed once and for all and these witch to never be seen again. I do not mind the Warden be killed but after I put my hands on Morrigan and not before,I will definitely not content myself with that lame plot protection Gaider pulled in WH and with that lame search for the cure to the calling,I don't care about the calling that is not the goal i want to achieve,with her death i will assure that none of the future archdemons souls will have a chance at being saved.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Dec 23, 2016 17:05:47 GMT
Morrigan may believe that the whole world is inferior to her,that's fine I don't care as long as she will not be part of any other game from now on,I have no interest to deal with her or her DR-romancers and DR supporters again and again like I had to do in the past,what I want now from Bioware is this HoF be killed once and for all and these witch to never be seen again. I do not mind the Warden be killed but after I put my hands on Morrigan and not before,I will definitely not content myself with that lame plot protection Gaider pulled in WH and with that lame search for the cure to the calling,I don't care about the calling that is not the goal i want to achieve,with her death i will assure that none of the future archdemons souls will have a chance at being saved. Ya...I've always seen that cliffhanger in WH as one of the lamest plot armor in videogame history. The case of Redclieffe is even worse....where you want to kill her but Gaider allows her to go by forcing the protagonist to cross their arms. DAO all in all is a good Rpg except for the parts where the writers tells to the player character what to do and don't let me start to talk about DAI because there was already a thread I opened in the old Bsn where many people agreed with me that the Morrigan survival against the Red lyrium Dragon doesn't make any sense especially when you consider the fact that the other dragon(Mythal guardian)is killed in the same clash,that's just another example that show her plot armor.
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Post by phoray on Dec 23, 2016 19:03:31 GMT
If anyone can be killed, what you have is Skyrim, where no one matters. I didn't like Skyrim. Now, there are some aggravating things I'm not allowed to do as a gamer in Dragon Age, but Morrigan being murdered isn't one of them. You got yours when you stabbed her in Witch Hunt, that's as close as you're getting outside of fanfiction
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Post by oyabun on Dec 23, 2016 19:17:42 GMT
I do not mind the Warden be killed but after I put my hands on Morrigan and not before,I will definitely not content myself with that lame plot protection Gaider pulled in WH and with that lame search for the cure to the calling,I don't care about the calling that is not the goal i want to achieve,with her death i will assure that none of the future archdemons souls will have a chance at being saved. Ya...I've always seen that cliffhanger in WH as one of the lamest plot armor in videogame history. The case of Redclieffe is even worse....where you want to kill her but Gaider allows her to go by forcing the protagonist to cross their arms. DAO all in all is a good Rpg except for the parts where the writers tells to the player character what to do and don't let me start to talk about DAI because there was already a thread I opened in the old Bsn where many people agreed with me that the Morrigan survival against the Red lyrium Dragon doesn't make any sense especially when you consider the fact that the other dragon(Mythal guardian)is killed in the same clash,that's just another example that show her plot armor. I'm not in disagreement with the reasonings,it could be definitely wrapped up within the illusion of choices/plot armor argument. In between there is the Last Court for the character of Morrigan.There of what I'm aware of she can also survive to the offensive ordered by the Marquis.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Dec 24, 2016 5:02:13 GMT
If anyone can be killed, what you have is Skyrim, where no one matters. I didn't like Skyrim. Now, there are some aggravating things I'm not allowed to do as a gamer in Dragon Age, but Morrigan being murdered isn't one of them. You got yours when you stabbed her in Witch Hunt, that's as close as you're getting outside of fanfiction It didn't count because she doesn't die for plot armor,unlike all the others NPCs and companions of DAO.
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Post by oyabun on Dec 24, 2016 5:46:47 GMT
@doflamingo
Morrigan's fictional survival in WH is like Calpernia's fictional survival in DAI,it was meant to reuse the characters in the sequels without go as far as using the resurrection card.However I wasn't of the impression that Morrigan was that pivotal for DAI to require a mandatory "survival" so my guess is that she was required for something in DA2(at least in David Gaider's mind)but EA didn't cared at all and decided to delete that project(DAII Exalted March)so Gaider insisted on his vision and merged the deleted DLC in DAI(with poor results imho,the whole Well of Sorrow questline). I guess that Morrigan also being a Devs favorite and very much liked by Gaider played a factor on her "survival"(I used the quotation marks on purpose because is the survival of something that doesn't exist)
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Post by Norstaera on Dec 24, 2016 22:20:48 GMT
Velanna. I consider her part of the DAO-verse along with Anders, Nathaniel, Justice, and Sigrun. Did I say Velanna? Velanna.
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Post by Domakir on Dec 24, 2016 23:31:04 GMT
Velanna. I consider her part of the DAO-verse along with Anders, Nathaniel, Justice, and Sigrun. Did I say Velanna? Velanna. So you don't like Justice, right?
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Post by akiza on Dec 25, 2016 2:19:32 GMT
Alistair, the whiny goof. That distrust and *disappointment* when you do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan and don't die in the end. I dislike Alistair but I don't disagree with him on the ritual since his points make sense,old gods are a threat for Thedas as a whole so all those who feed Solas and Flemeth with that power aren't responsible GW nor should they be so hypocrite to judge others when they gambled the entire world,now if the criticism was from a non-DR runner that had Alistair desert them at the Landsmeet i could have understand,but this is not the case. I'm not even sure why people think the OGB was a good thing. You'd be saving the soul of an entity that helped encourage an Empire to turn to Blood Magic and Slavery, and later to brutally torture and murder thousands of those slaves so a select few could try to steal the power of a theoretical creator deity, potentially resulting in the most horrific threat to all life on Thedas ever. Further, she offers no real insight or explanation into how taking said soul from a tainted vessel and putting it into another tainted vessel would result in an uncorrupted being. Honestly, entire premise and expected outcomes of the DR don't seem particularly well thought out especially after that really "bizzare resolution in DAI. And that doesn't even begin to address the dubious wisdom of giving a child, godlike being or not, to an absurd misanthrope like Morrigan to raise completely as she sees fit with absolutely zero outside influence(unless you metagame in the romance). Particularly when she flat out refuses to tell you her end game. And there's just not a whole lot of reasons to extend trust, or blind faith, to a woman who, regardless of her own dubious moral character, tries to extort what she wants from you the evening before everyone you know might die, and at least one person you know WILL die. And at the end of the day in DAI Flemeth and potentially Solas puts their hands on it(so they can reach new untouched heights of power)while the survived warden is still dying from the Calling(since we have no confirmation of a cure being found and I doubt Weekes will waste such an opportunity to get rid of old variables like the HoF).
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Post by mattig89ch on Dec 25, 2016 7:46:25 GMT
Ogren. He wasn't *that* bad in Origins, but he got real annoying in awakening. Especially after the joining, and laughing off the one(s) who don't make it. I really wanted the dialog option to smack him upside the head, and tell him to be respectful.
That and how crass he got with the rash in the first town. I was done with his character at that point, didn't take him anywhere I didn't have to.
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Post by Norstaera on Dec 25, 2016 19:19:09 GMT
So you don't like Justice, right? I feel sorry for Justice in the beginning, he is just so confused and lost. Later, I'm more neutral about him. And of course I did not like him in DA2 (I hope that doesn't shock you, ). I like Sigrun, Anders, and Nathaniel. Velanna just gets on my nerves and stays there.
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Post by Aren on Dec 26, 2016 4:28:23 GMT
Morrigan and Alistair. [Alert Wall of text about my motivations] 1)Morrigan left the world to burn instead of helping save it when she was in a position to do so. She choosed the possibility of me failing without her because I won't bow to her eleventh hour extortion rather than helping stop a global threat before it could destroy any more lives.She is a woman who, even if you max her approval and romance her, theoretically being her closest companion and confidant(like I thought my PC was to her),grew up in such a manner that long term deception of the one she loved (assuming you romanced her) was fine, and abandons you and the world to the Blight if you don't give her what she wants. She knows that the very next day I was going into a battle that could determine the fate of hundreds of thousands of lives, potentially over the course of decades or longer, where every person could spell the difference between victory and horror, and she tried to extort me with it, and then throws it all away because I disagreed. She wanted to use my PC and their son to specifically be the subject of her blood magic and to be interferred with on the level of its very essence. Using her lover is one thing, He is an adult and can say no. Using his non consenting child in such a profound and dangerous manner is very much another.Making Kieran shoulder the burden of housing the Old God soul without him having any say on it is no different from Dorian's parents wanting to force him to be someone he is not and his father was willing to use blood magic to make that happen. I do not want an innocent child to be shouldered with the burden of carrying the soul and the will of a powerful ancient being without him having any choice in it. In WH,the resentment and rancor that my character felt for her because of how he was deceived,abandoned and insulted(She wished for my eternal regret at Redcliffe)turned into pure hatred the moment she said that their son (who was born from outside the ritual) Was forever beyond his reach as she soon would have been... And I was like: "Really!?" So....the selfless Father who protected his son from her ritual of blood magic by risking his life(a ritual who would have caused nightmares to him and would have ended up into the kidnapping from Flemeth in DAI)...lost his son...while the selfish Mother who wanted to use him as a pawn... won?! WTF!?!. In the end doesn't matter what my relationship with her was. I was meant to be used and ditched. 2)Alistair's spends the entire Blight talking about how the two of us are going to stop the Blight and kill the archdemon and he rushes into battle shouting "For the Grey Wardens!" and then because I made a tactical decision to listen to the Senior Grey Warden who recommends having as many Grey Wardens as possible, Alistair is all like, "Screw the Grey Wardens, and screw you! I quit!" in a gigantic tantrum. He's not just turning on the character. He's essentially saying that unless he gets his way, he doesn't care if Ferelden falls to the darkspawn(kinda like Morrigan). Alistair will be fine and follow us if we... A) kill Connor or Isolde Wipe out the Circle C) Preserve the Anvil where Dwarven souls will be enslaved and forged into Golems D) Kill the Dalish Elves. Or the Werewolves E) Leave Redcliffe to the zombie horde F) sell Elves into slavery -- which would give us no reason to condemn Loghain G) work with a possessed corpse at one point H) murderknife people left and right and so on and so forth. So for Loghain to be the thing where he draws the line just makes him seem like a child who has no concept of where he stands on anything. He'll voice his disapproval about the other things but that he is more willing to accept slavery and follow the Warden rather then work with Loghain makes me really see him as a fool.
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Morrigan. Just a couple of hours in her company, and I hope that there is a subplot involving her death. Do not judge so quickly. You have time at the end. Morrigan is good character. I like her. (True, I like all...) As do I. As do I. All of my romances with her are proof of that. She's a remarkable if not hasty lady. My guy Couslands could've provided her a better home to raise her kid in peace. But alas, she choice other options.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Dec 29, 2016 1:53:03 GMT
black I can understand the issues you had with those two because the same thing happened to me but I did not cared much for them in DAO. In DAI, regardless of her being a mother or not...she jumps into that Well of Sorrow....and that's why(among other reasons)I never imported in DAI a world state with her as a Mother. Just imagine her raising a kid while being influenced by all those shouts in her head from the angry priests of a vengeful godess and being the puppet of Mythal like her Mother was before her...really weird stuff.....like Flemeth you couldn't tell where she begins and Mythal ends...(by her own admission she said that the voices will be louder like shouts in her head) and since i don't want to sacrifice my Inquisitor to save her from her own mistake i can't allow her to have a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 12:33:15 GMT
Okay, I finished the game, and the only companion I hated was Morrigan, so I am keeping my vote as is. Kicking her from the game as early as possible was the best thing I did. The rest of the banters was pretty nice, funny, etc. Some comps did drop approval once in a while, but nobody was as toxic and completely crazy as Morrigan. Alistair gets my props as the least one dimensional character, and I'd have picked Sten as my love interest if allowed to. Alistair' romance was nice until the soap opera in the end of the game, and all the pimping the warden was doing with him, and Zevran was too much tongue-in-cheek.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 6, 2017 23:54:20 GMT
I've learned to appreciate Leliana and Wynne as characters, but for a long time I just couldn't stand them. Especially Leliana. I think it was the combination of talking about the Maker all the time, that voice, and never really knowing what was going on with her morality. I still don't know in DAI.
And I think Loghain is generally a dick - selling your own people into slavery... to save your people?? - but also a well-written, nuanced character.
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