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Post by mousestalker on Jan 23, 2018 17:45:10 GMT
What I don't get is Jowan's ritual. Why doesn't anyone suggest sacrificing, say, a cow to fuel it? Animals' blood works perfectly well to fuel the Warden's own spells, after all. A cow does suffice. It works if Isolde volunteers after all...
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 23, 2018 19:02:21 GMT
What I don't get is Jowan's ritual. Why doesn't anyone suggest sacrificing, say, a cow to fuel it? Animals' blood works perfectly well to fuel the Warden's own spells, after all. This is pure speculation on my part, but I'm pretty such it's not just blood in of itself, but the type of blood that gives it levels of power. Kolgrim speaks of secret knowledge in dragon blood, gained not just from the dragons, but other Reavers as well. Indeed, If you become a Reaver in Origins you experience vague visions*. Not to mention how the Qunari, who are all implied to be at least mild Reavers on a racial level, know things about Calenhad that they shouldn't, at least without the racial memories**. Aside from dragons, Tainted blood hears the Call of the Old Gods, whereas Grey Warden blood can server the Song in darkspawn. Finally, all lyrium is the blood of Titans. So blood in Dragon Age has a spiritual component, and human blood likely has more power than animal blood.
*Even if players don't actually gain specific knowledge from said visions, it would have nice it we at least got an Intelligence or Cunning Point out of it .
** Yes, the Qunari could have made the whole thing up, but Calenhad being a powerful Reaver would explain why Aurelian Titus needed Therin blood for the Margallen.
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Post by cooldude on Mar 10, 2018 2:00:25 GMT
Nvm message was too old to reply,my mistake. ?? no such thing as necromancy on a game already, what, ten years old? Video games have a special way of letting us know just how quickly time flies. I can't believe it's been nine years since DAO was released.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 13, 2018 12:25:17 GMT
What I don't get is Jowan's ritual. Why doesn't anyone suggest sacrificing, say, a cow to fuel it? Animals' blood works perfectly well to fuel the Warden's own spells, after all. Even if that could have worked, with the undead attacking everything on sight, the animal population in Redcliffe probably has been drastically reduced. I doubt any livestock survived the undead and anything smaller (such as pets) probably wouldn't suffice for the purpose of the spell. One thing that bothers me about that ritual is, couldn't one of our other mages have performed the spell? Maybe it requires a blood mage (and Wynne would probably refuse), but even if she claims not to be one, Morrigan has some familiarity with that type of magic and could have likely done it? Or a Blood Mage Warden could have elected to do the spell. In that case, using Jowan as the sacrificial lamb would have been an adequate penance, since he knew his life was already forfeit. That option could have still given us the same approval loss and anger from Alistair at camp, because even though Eamon and his family were alive and safe, the Templar in him hated that we'd resort to using blood magic and sacrificed one life to save another.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 13, 2018 14:49:04 GMT
(It's interesting, the Dalish know ritual to go into the Fade without human sacrifice and using a bunch of mages. Keeper Marethari was alone.) Sifr: I would hate to sacrifice Jowan... but a blood mage Warden would able to sacrifice Isolde...
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Post by mousestalker on Mar 13, 2018 14:56:29 GMT
(It's interesting, the Dalish know ritual to go into the Fade without human sacrifice and using a bunch of mages. Keeper Marethari was alone.) Sifr : I would hate to sacrifice Jowan... but a blood mage Warden would able to sacrifice Isolde... Elves are more magical than humans.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 13, 2018 21:59:42 GMT
(It's interesting, the Dalish know ritual to go into the Fade without human sacrifice and using a bunch of mages. Keeper Marethari was alone.) Sifr : I would hate to sacrifice Jowan... but a blood mage Warden would able to sacrifice Isolde... Elves are more magical than humans. And that's what makes elves far more effective sacrifices when you need to power some heavy duty blood magic.
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Post by Sokemis on Mar 13, 2018 23:18:18 GMT
(It's interesting, the Dalish know ritual to go into the Fade without human sacrifice and using a bunch of mages. Keeper Marethari was alone.) Sifr : I would hate to sacrifice Jowan... but a blood mage Warden would able to sacrifice Isolde... That's what the Circle/Chantry get for limiting mages' knowledge & abilities as part of their attempt to control the mages.
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 13, 2018 23:51:34 GMT
Morrigan has some familiarity with that type of magic and could have likely done it? Or a Blood Mage Warden could have elected to do the spell. It's possible the ritual isn't easy to learn. Plus, at least in the case of Morrigan, she probably wouldn't care enough to do it anyway.
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Post by phoray on Mar 14, 2018 0:13:57 GMT
Or a Blood Mage Warden could have elected to do the spell. Story wise, the only way a Warden knows blood magic is by learning it from teh Desire Demon in the Fade. Ya, in repeat playthroughs, you can specialize right off the bat but that is the plot hole, not the first way.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 7, 2018 13:38:36 GMT
Is male Aeducan just a total deadbeat dad I mean, he might have abandoned one son to go chase Morrigan and his other son (the special one) Poor baby Duncan/Endrin/Trian/Gorim is going to have abandonment issues --- Speaking of deadbeats, I kinda wish that Cousland had adopted Amethyne, the daughter of Iona. Call me old fashioned, but if I were to seduce a young mother who then died as a result of political intrigue involving my family, then the very least I can do is ensure her kid doesn't grow up alone and starving on the streets. I've never seduced Iona,but the notion that the Wardens of DAO can't have a family of their own and kids(adopted or non adopted)unless it is Morrigan' son.make no sense to me.The only exception was the Dwarf noble. Or a Blood Mage Warden could have elected to do the spell. Story wise, the only way a Warden knows blood magic is by learning it from teh Desire Demon in the Fade. Ya, in repeat playthroughs, you can specialize right off the bat but that is the plot hole, not the first way. I don't know if ti is a plot hole,you can just headcanon that this particualr mage warden was more close to Uldred and co.
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Post by phoray on Apr 7, 2018 13:59:31 GMT
The game doesn't even let you have dialogue to indicate that you do not feel betrayed by Jowan. You are always forced into reactionary and)or upset dialogue.
I suppose you could also headcannon every interaction with Jowan is a fake, I'm not sure how feasible the head cannon of already being a blood mage in the Circle Origin is.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 7, 2018 14:39:33 GMT
I've never seduced Iona,but the notion that the Wardens of DAO can't have a family of their own and kids(adopted or non adopted)unless it is Morrigan' son.make no sense to me.The only exception was the Dwarf noble. I don't think it's against the rules for Wardens to have families. In Origins, we learn from the bartender in Lothering that his grandfather served, while in Awakening, Nathaniel's bow came from a Warden ancestor, Ohgren left his family for the Wardens and we encounter two wives of deceased Wardens. I think that the reason why families are discouraged among Wardens because the inherent risk associated with what they do, that their job means they'll either have to be away a lot or constantly moving their family around. While the families of soldiers face similar obstacles, the difference with Wardens is that there's no retirement plan or getting to enjoy old age. And if a married Warden wanted to have kids, the low fertility rates makes it nigh-impossible to do so, especially if they've been Joined for longer than a year. Strikes me more that the Wardens view it less as a definitive rule and more a reminder of what they should be prepared for.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 7, 2018 16:38:30 GMT
I've never seduced Iona,but the notion that the Wardens of DAO can't have a family of their own and kids(adopted or non adopted)unless it is Morrigan' son.make no sense to me.The only exception was the Dwarf noble. I don't think it's against the rules for Wardens to have families. In Origins, we learn from the bartender in Lothering that his grandfather served, while in Awakening, Nathaniel's bow came from a Warden ancestor, Ohgren left his family for the Wardens and we encounter two wives of deceased Wardens. I think that the reason why families are discouraged among Wardens because the inherent risk associated with what they do, that their job means they'll either have to be away a lot or constantly moving their family around. While the families of soldiers face similar obstacles, the difference with Wardens is that there's no retirement plan or getting to enjoy old age. And if a married Warden wanted to have kids, the low fertility rates makes it nigh-impossible to do so, especially if they've been Joined for longer than a year. Strikes me more that the Wardens view it less as a definitive rule and more a reminder of what they should be prepared for. I wa just referring to the fact that the warden ins't premitted to adopt kids after DAO, in Skyrim there is this possibility.
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Post by secretrare on Apr 10, 2018 13:19:18 GMT
The time line in DA:O doesn't make any sense at all,everything happen at the same time
- Redcliff got attacked by undead - The Circle in crisis - Dalish atacked by werewolves - Orzamar fall in political instability - Loghain and Ferelden involve in civil war
It is all happened in THE SAME TIME but the Warden can still fix everythin...facepalm
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