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Post by Iddy on Oct 16, 2019 12:10:55 GMT
*shrug* Vivienne is just one of those brutally honest people that some people tend to just hate on principle truth told I didn't know what to make of her my first time around, but the more I see of her, the more I...like her? still don't understand how they could have made her a choice for becoming the Divine but eh *shrug* The problem with Vivienne is the hypocrisy. It's "Freedom for me, tower walls for the *malcontents* ". It's not "Just because she speaks her mind".
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 16, 2019 12:22:05 GMT
*shrug* Vivienne is just one of those brutally honest people that some people tend to just hate on principle truth told I didn't know what to make of her my first time around, but the more I see of her, the more I...like her? still don't understand how they could have made her a choice for becoming the Divine but eh *shrug* The problem with Vivienne is the hypocrisy. It's "Freedom for me, tower walls for the *malcontents* ". It's not "Just because she speaks her mind". true that, that's why I don't understand the fact she can even be considered as Divine
she's all about having power for her, anyone else can just go ahead and burn, unless they bow down to her which in hindsight makes me wonder how my Qunari was able to get her as Divine  (I picked all the choices I normally did in dialogue after all) ...must've been the templar choice and the fact Celene kept living...hm...yeah, that's probably it
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Post by Iddy on Oct 16, 2019 13:57:41 GMT
Ah, one of the few things that I liked about Vivienne. Iddy : It’s both.
Blackwall: How can you possibly dislike the Grey Wardens, Vivienne?
(Before Here Lies the Abyss)
Vivienne: Really? How many people do they conscript in the name of "vigilance against the Blight"? Hundreds? Thousands? For a threat that recent history tells us can be successfully ended by just two. Yes, they certainly are heroes, and not at all a wasteful relic of a bygone age. Whatever could I find objectionable?
Blackwall: Say that again when a blight's at your door.
(After Here Lies the Abyss)
Vivienne: You can't seriously ask me that after what happened at Adamant.
Vivienne: Where shall I start, my dear? The blood magic? Human sacrifice? Demon summoning? Or the part where they serve Corypheus?
Vivienne: Yes, they certainly are heroes, and not at all a wasteful relic of a bygone age. Whatever could I find objectionable?
Blackwall: Say that again when a blight's at your door.
Looks like being overcompetent can backfire 
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Post by Catilina on Oct 18, 2019 2:36:28 GMT
Ah, one of the few things that I liked about Vivienne. Iddy : It’s both.
Blackwall: How can you possibly dislike the Grey Wardens, Vivienne?
(Before Here Lies the Abyss)
Vivienne: Really? How many people do they conscript in the name of "vigilance against the Blight"? Hundreds? Thousands? For a threat that recent history tells us can be successfully ended by just two. Yes, they certainly are heroes, and not at all a wasteful relic of a bygone age. Whatever could I find objectionable?
Blackwall: Say that again when a blight's at your door.
(After Here Lies the Abyss)
Vivienne: You can't seriously ask me that after what happened at Adamant.
Vivienne: Where shall I start, my dear? The blood magic? Human sacrifice? Demon summoning? Or the part where they serve Corypheus?
Vivienne: Yes, they certainly are heroes, and not at all a wasteful relic of a bygone age. Whatever could I find objectionable?
Blackwall: Say that again when a blight's at your door.
Vivienne just a narrow minded, mannerless Orlesian, who just chattering all kinds of nonsense. Blackwall is great here!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2019 18:09:57 GMT
Ah, one of the few things that I liked about Vivienne. Iddy : It’s both.
Blackwall: How can you possibly dislike the Grey Wardens, Vivienne?
(Before Here Lies the Abyss)
Vivienne: Really? How many people do they conscript in the name of "vigilance against the Blight"? Hundreds? Thousands? For a threat that recent history tells us can be successfully ended by just two. Yes, they certainly are heroes, and not at all a wasteful relic of a bygone age. Whatever could I find objectionable?
Blackwall: Say that again when a blight's at your door.
(After Here Lies the Abyss)
Vivienne: You can't seriously ask me that after what happened at Adamant.
Vivienne: Where shall I start, my dear? The blood magic? Human sacrifice? Demon summoning? Or the part where they serve Corypheus?
Vivienne: Yes, they certainly are heroes, and not at all a wasteful relic of a bygone age. Whatever could I find objectionable?
Blackwall: Say that again when a blight's at your door.
Vivienne just a narrow minded, mannerless Orlesian, who just chattering all kinds of nonsense. Blackwall is great here! You would side with the crazy lying stalker who slaughtered innocent people. |
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 18, 2019 18:34:58 GMT
Vivienne just a narrow minded, mannerless Orlesian, who just chattering all kinds of nonsense. Blackwall is great here! You would side with the crazy lying stalker who slaughtered innocent people. not to start a war here but...does this sound familiar or is that just me?
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Post by Iddy on Oct 18, 2019 18:39:21 GMT
Vivienne just a narrow minded, mannerless Orlesian, who just chattering all kinds of nonsense. Blackwall is great here! You would side with the crazy lying stalker who slaughtered innocent people. I mean... at least he abandoned his old ways. I haven't seen Vivienne change at all.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 19, 2019 18:03:24 GMT
Viv is just a bitch and goes out of her way to rub people the wrong way. She'll tell you like it and doesn't sugar coat anything. I can relate to that but there is a fine line in being subtle and being an outright asshole about how you approach it. Other than the Ink the only person she gets along with is Iron Bull. Most likely because he views her like a Tamassran and shows her respect and subservience towards her.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 21, 2019 16:42:47 GMT
You know, I love the fact that David Gaider is a gay man... but still does gay jokes like anyone else.
Oghren: So, you and the Grey Warden, huh? (Chuckles)
Morrigan: I hope you're not referring to Alistair.
Oghren: Him? Does he even like girls?
Morrigan: I believe the matter is still up for debate.
Alistair: (if present) *Sigh* I'm right here, you know.
Varric: So I hear you're kind of the black sheep in your family, Sparkler.
Dorian: Where does that saying come from? I'm not a sheep. No one in my family could be described a "sheep".
Varric: I'm just saying, you and I have... something in common.
Dorian: Goodness, I had no idea.
Varric: Okay, not that much in common.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 25, 2019 16:38:14 GMT
Vivienne: So, an apostate?
Solas: That is correct, Enchanter. I did not train in your Circle.
Vivienne: Well, dear, I hope you can take care of yourself, should we encounter anything outside your experience.
Solas: I will try, in my own fumbling way, to learn from how you helped seal the rifts at Haven.
Ah, wait. My memory misleads me. You were not there.
Solas my guy, I do like you, and I can relate to wanting to tell Vivienne to go fuck herself. But this is just strawmanning.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 25, 2019 18:27:39 GMT
If it wasn’t for Solas there wouldn’t be any rifts at Haven to seal.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 26, 2019 10:07:23 GMT
Vivienne: So, an apostate? Solas: That is correct, Enchanter. I did not train in your Circle. Vivienne: Well, dear, I hope you can take care of yourself, should we encounter anything outside your experience. Solas: I will try, in my own fumbling way, to learn from how you helped seal the rifts at Haven. Ah, wait. My memory misleads me. You were not there. Solas my guy, I do like you, and I can relate to wanting to tell Vivienne to go fuck herself. But this is just strawmanning. If it wasn’t for Solas there wouldn’t be any rifts at Haven to seal.
Haha, I still like this exchange very much. Circle-trained mages tend to be rather self-absorbed about their training being the only "valid" one. Even Anders prattles on how circle/tevinter (because that is where it comes from) mage edaucation is so superior to anything else. 
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Post by Sifr on Oct 30, 2019 21:34:45 GMT
Haha, I still like this exchange very much. Circle-trained mages tend to be rather self-absorbed about their training being the only "valid" one. Even Anders prattles on how circle/tevinter (because that is where it comes from) mage edaucation is so superior to anything else.  Meanwhile Morrigan smugly trolls everyone by turning into a bird, as if to say;
"Does any of your 'superior education' allow you to turn into an animal? No, I didn't think so." 
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Post by xerrai on Oct 31, 2019 18:14:18 GMT
Vivienne just a narrow minded, mannerless Orlesian, who just chattering all kinds of nonsense. Blackwall is great here! You would side with the crazy lying stalker who slaughtered innocent people. I don't hate Vivienne on sheer principle on anything but in many cases, yea. Damn straight I will go for the "crazy lying stalker" over Vivienne. At least Blackwall acknowledges what he did was wrong and continually (albeit through shady means) attempted to repent for it. Vivienne on the other hand is so self-serving at all times that she seems completely willing to permit wrongdoing so long as it benefits her in some way. It really says something that even as Divine with conservative leanings, Cassandra identifies Vivienne as a "tyrant" who is only in it for herself. Meanwhile almost all of Blackwall's endings shows or implies that he contributed to the common good or turned himself in. So yeah, Blackwall > Vivienne almost any day. That being said, Vivienne does make some good points here. The Wardens in the DAI have done incredibly dangerous things like blood magic, demon summoning etc. And while we as players know the 5th Blight was an outlier that mostly relied on the Warden solving political crises in record time, Vivienne wouldn't know that. She just sees a banding of non-warden parties successfully fighting off the darkspawn and archdemon….and potentially defeating it. I really doubt Vivienne knows that a warden is 100% required to kill the archdemon. She probably thinks that any soldier with a sword can do that. Not that I can blame her, warden secret and all that. But if nothing else, the Wardens need a bit of restructuring. Still though, I'd rather keep the Wardens as an autonomous organization than reducing it to whatever Vivienne has in mind (which is probably non-existence).
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