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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 9, 2017 19:58:58 GMT
I do recall that one of the Skyhold incidents that Cole is responsible for involves a dancing cat. He uses a cheese wheel to lure mice, which in turn lures cats. They get high off of bowls of mint and dance, which amuses the cook and helps her forget Haven.
Otherwise, I think the only pussy human Cole is handling belongs to a certain bard. #DoHoHo
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Post by jnericsonx on Jan 10, 2017 22:06:56 GMT
One of my favorite Cole comments:
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 23, 2017 16:34:08 GMT
This seems like a nice cosplay, though I don't seem to remember the character. I think he was in Final Fantasy. 😋
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Post by Hudson on Feb 10, 2017 11:53:41 GMT
Hi guys, maybe you can help me out, I just started playing a dwarf Axe/shield warrior named Jarack Cadash, the basic premise is that he was a violent enforcer for the Carta for many years, until he found the love of his life. that mellowed him considerably, now I guess like five years before the events of DA:I she and their baby child died, from a wasting sickness, nothing violent just life happening. After that Jarack held to the calm, Mentor like attitude he had, though still working for the Carta. Now, the general idea is to play him as the Shield, of the Inquisition, he doles out fatherly advice, and the main plan is to have him semi-adopt Cole as a kind of psychological replacement for his dead child. There will be no romance for Jarack. So I guess my question is, Who would be suitable to be in the team with Jarack and Cole? I was thinking Varric, and Solas to have they personality dichotomy concerning Cole, but I am honestly not sure. What do you guys think?
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Post by phoray on Feb 11, 2017 4:03:49 GMT
Hi guys, maybe you can help me out, I just started playing a dwarf Axe/shield warrior named Jarack Cadash, the basic premise is that he was a violent enforcer for the Carta for many years, until he found the love of his life. that mellowed him considerably, now I guess like five years before the events of DA:I she and their baby child died, from a wasting sickness, nothing violent just life happening. After that Jarack held to the calm, Mentor like attitude he had, though still working for the Carta. Now, the general idea is to play him as the Shield, of the Inquisition, he doles out fatherly advice, and the main plan is to have him semi-adopt Cole as a kind of psychological replacement for his dead child. There will be no romance for Jarack. So I guess my question is, Who would be suitable to be in the team with Jarack and Cole? I was thinking Varric, and Solas to have they personality dichotomy concerning Cole, but I am honestly not sure. What do you guys think? I think Varric would be competition for this planned adoption but in a way, you could also pretend Varric talking about Cole is like two parents looking out for him. I must have had the wrong trio because Cass Varric and Cole, the latter two never seemed to talk to each other, just to Cass
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Post by halla on Feb 11, 2017 14:33:11 GMT
Hi guys, maybe you can help me out, I just started playing a dwarf Axe/shield warrior named Jarack Cadash, the basic premise is that he was a violent enforcer for the Carta for many years, until he found the love of his life. that mellowed him considerably, now I guess like five years before the events of DA:I she and their baby child died, from a wasting sickness, nothing violent just life happening. After that Jarack held to the calm, Mentor like attitude he had, though still working for the Carta. Now, the general idea is to play him as the Shield, of the Inquisition, he doles out fatherly advice, and the main plan is to have him semi-adopt Cole as a kind of psychological replacement for his dead child. There will be no romance for Jarack. So I guess my question is, Who would be suitable to be in the team with Jarack and Cole? I was thinking Varric, and Solas to have they personality dichotomy concerning Cole, but I am honestly not sure. What do you guys think? Solas explains him a lot of world, Varric is more "human" (more lively? more from our world? more knowing world?) and from banters I had between them you can read that when Solas explains a lot about feelings and Cole's nature, than Varric goes with jokes and living nature? I would say it's good to have change party so he can interact with different people. When you listen or read banters you find whole new world. He asks Dorian A LOT of questions, with Cassandra he learns some stuff (in my opinion, but not writing more to not spoil), with Vivienne he gets to talk like with wall but they still talk, Blackwall is like him with few aspects so they help each other with thoughts, with Iron Bull he gets talks like with best buddy (at least I got that idea), and Sera... she don't like him. Try various things. I would recommend keep Solas with Cole and spend lot time with Cassandra/Dorian/Varric, depending what you want in team. Because how child can learn things from only two persons when there is whole world open? And you learn about Cole with Cassandra and Vivienne, obviously Solas, I think little with Blackwell?
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Post by fylimar on Apr 14, 2017 8:11:44 GMT
I have to pop in and give my appreciation for such a great character as Cole. I love his dialogues and the way, he sees the world. And I like that he is constantly working on himself, he is one of the few companions, who actually approve, if you critisize them. I found out, that Cole works surprisingly well with Cassandra, she really warms up quickly to him
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Post by Iddy on Apr 19, 2017 14:26:40 GMT
When I think of the way Cole made himself forget his human identity in the spirit path, I can't help wishing I had that ability.
Just consider how useful it would be. Gather your most painful memories and then whisper: "Forget".
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Post by Walter Black on Apr 20, 2017 17:51:24 GMT
Cole is probably one of the single most polarizing characters in all of Dragon Age for me. As a longtime fan of speculative fiction, I have grown less interested in characters with superficial differences (pointy ears, horns, green skin, etcetera) but are still basically human, versus ones where the author at least tries to make alien. I suffer bouts of chronic depression, so the idea of something like Spirit Cole healing the hurt is an appealing fantasy. Not just helping broken people, but actually having that certainty of peace and purpose. Especially given how crappy Thedas can be. And yet... In college I worked with classes of young people who were developmentally disabled to one degree or another. It felt good making their days just a little better, but more often than not it was frustrating and heart wrenching. For this reason, I hated Tom Cullen in The Stand; intentionally or not, it sometimes gave impression that Stephen King was romanticizing Tom's condition as being "innocent" and "closer to God". Such idealized portrayals due a huge disservice to the very real struggles people with severe autism, Downe Syndrome, and the like experience everyday. Logically, I know it's not fair to judge the fictional Spirit Cole with that meter, but emotionally those memories keep surfacing every time I encounter the character. Plus, from a meta sense I dislike the notion of a character whose possible arc is anti- character development. Another thing I hate about Spirit Cole is how hypocritical it ends up being from a gameplay standpoint. Solas led Cole to rediscover his Spirit side by showing Compassion to the ex-Templar who let the original Cole die. It stressed that not everything is black and white, that sometimes those who inflict pain do so because they are trapped in a viscous cycle of their own suffering. Given that new perspective, you would think Spirit Cole would have greater empathy all around, right? Nope, he simply "forgets" the pain of those he kills for the Inquisition . It makes this so called Spirit of Compassion seem sociopathic, for no other reason than the player having another damage dealer*. Sometimes I wonder if the Spirit choice would have been more meaningful if he remained at Skyhold at still spoke to people, but was unavailable as a party member. *Along with Cassandra (set lyrium aflame, eh? ), Cole is another Companion I think should have had his own unique Specialization. His mind powers would have been great for crowd control, stun locking, and redistributing aggro.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 20, 2017 19:24:40 GMT
I get what you are saying because I work with the same sort of young people that you do and I wondered whether it was really a good thing that by keeping Cole a spirit he never really develops his emotions properly or has to deal with them because he simply makes himself and other people "forget". I also felt that the conversations that he has with the other companions would be something that a spirit of compassion would surely realise should be carried out in private, not aloud for all the world to hear? There are times, for example Dorian, when it is obvious that he is really distressed by Cole blurting things out but he just keeps on doing it and seems oblivious to this until someone else (the person under discussion or the Inquisitor) points it out. Then next conversation with them, he does it again. I realise it wasn't malicious but it did seem they overdid the "innocent" air that was meant to lay behind this tactlessness,lack of empathy and failure to learn by experience. It seemed like he was simply being used as a device for the PC to find out more about their companions without having to engage in a discussion with them themselves.
I also found the sequence in the tavern with him, if he is still a spirit, to be a bit creepy as the sort of things he was intruding on with his "compassion" didn't seem to warrant it at all and he was just resolving situations by influencing their thoughts that I felt the people should have talked through for themselves. For this reason, whilst initially I would keep him as a spirit because I didn't think he was any less of a person for being one, after a time I started to agree with Varric that I was doing him more of a service by helping him become more "human". I also love the epilogue at the end of Trespasser if he links up with the bard, Maryden.
On a slightly related note, I still hate the fact that no one was ever called to account for what was done to the tranquil in creating the occulara or that we were forced to use them to complete a major side quest that was even recorded in the Keep. To give him his due, Cole was one of the few people that actually said he wanted somebody to answer for it but nothing ever came of it. I found it distressing that just because they had been robbed of their emotions even the writers thought they didn't really matter and just used them as an unnecessarily gruesome plot device.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Apr 21, 2017 18:24:53 GMT
On a slightly related note, I still hate the fact that no one was ever called to account for what was done to the tranquil in creating the occulara or that we were forced to use them to complete a major side quest that was even recorded in the Keep. To give him his due, Cole was one of the few people that actually said he wanted somebody to answer for it but nothing ever came of it. I found it distressing that just because they had been robbed of their emotions even the writers thought they didn't really matter and just used them as an unnecessarily gruesome plot device. Well you can execute Alexis who was likely the one started the whole project. So there's that.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 21, 2017 20:32:19 GMT
That wasn't included in his list of crimes, though. They were at pains to make him less culpable for everything owing to the fact that he was just trying to cure his son, so that's why he joined up with Corypheus and kept messing with time. The charge sheet was suggesting that the Inquisitor should take the actions against him personally when deciding his fate but the crime against the tranquil was never mentioned. If I executed him, it would not be acknowledged that was one of the reasons. I wanted justice for the tranquil to be seen to be done and acknowledged as such. Cole did too when we were in the shed and other companions seemed upset at the discovery but once we left the shed, it was never mentioned again. All over the place those skulls on sticks were a testimony to the crime having been committed but it was as though it wasn't considered a crime at all.
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 22, 2017 4:46:31 GMT
Another thing I hate about Spirit Cole is how hypocritical it ends up being from a gameplay standpoint. Solas led Cole to rediscover his Spirit side by showing Compassion to the ex-Templar who let the original Cole die. It stressed that not everything is black and white, that sometimes those who inflict pain do so because they are trapped in a viscous cycle of their own suffering. Given that new perspective, you would think Spirit Cole would have greater empathy all around, right? Nope, he simply "forgets" the pain of those he kills for the Inquisition . It makes this so called Spirit of Compassion seem sociopathic, for no other reason than the player having another damage dealer*. Sometimes I wonder if the Spirit choice would have been more meaningful if he remained at Skyhold at still spoke to people, but was unavailable as a party member. I think a big part of Cole's character is that he's not as good/wholesome as he appears. As a spirit, he doesn't want to help in the same way that a mortal wants to help. Spirits have drives to encourage specific emotions, and it makes them more powerful when mortals feel those emotions. Since Cole happens to have a positive portfolio (compassion, or perhaps more accurately "relief"), his behavior reads like human empathy. But he doesn't feel that same feeling of empathy. That's why, when the Inquisitor asks him if it hurts to feel other people's pain, he's genuinely puzzled. For him, pain is an opportunity to fulfill his fundamental drive. In Asunder, his portfolio leaned more toward granting relief through death. It's only post-Rhys that he slowed down on the killing. Part of that was his drift toward being more human. Part of it was purely practical. Killing a tortured mage might grant relief to them, but it generated a lot of tension in other people. Even a "good" spirit has no moral objection to killing, because spirits don't have morals. I don't mean they're evil. Morality just isn't on their radar. When a spirit embodies a positive emotion, mortals generally consider them good. If you have a spirit of, say, valor, it's in their best interests to increase valor. Mortals are generally going to be pleased with that behavior. If there's a spirit that feeds of fear, well it's going to be hard to do that without upsetting people. So fear spirits are rarely considered good. Spirits of desire tend to fluctuate between good and bad, because desire is sometimes helpful and sometimes harmful. The spirits themselves aren't changing, but mortals see them differently. Cole's goal is to maximize relief. Often that has good results, but that's not guaranteed. Celene and Briala are a great example. They would feel temporary relief at being reunited, but there's a verrrrry good reason they broke up in the first place. Right now, though, they're lonely and pining for what might have been, so Cole wants them back together. By the time the amulet quest rolls around, he's picked up a lot of human characteristics. In order to truly behave like a spirit, he has to erase the rage ( and the empathy) that he might feel toward the templar, and focus on fulfilling his drives. Maximize relief, feed on relief, grant relief by any means necessary. He's not so much forgiving the templar as granting relief to the templar, and he's wiping away his own emotions to do it. He continues wiping out his human elements whenever they might interfere. Spirit!Cole had no qualms about killing in the White Spire, as long as he made mortals experience relief. If he takes Solas' path, he's returning to that state.
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Post by cespar on May 14, 2017 22:49:06 GMT
Back playing Inquisition for now. I can't wait to get to Cole. I wish he would come back as a companion in DA4, but this is me being super Bias. I adore Cole so much and would like for his human or spirit tale to be developed even further. He still does have a lot of growth to do, so it would be nice to see him back on the team. But for me personally, I want to see more of a Human Cole. I feel like this was his ultimate goal in the book, which was to feel and not be forgotten like he was. Only killing those people made them see and remember him. Even if in the end, they died and Cole would once again be forgotten.
I love his relationship with Cassandra, so it will be good to be able to hear their banter once again. Cole for DA4. I will love this character forever. Favorite Bioware character.
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