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Post by Gilli on Jan 17, 2017 14:08:02 GMT
Another option is to go for the simplest vallaslin, the one that's just over one eye. That way when it's removed it's not a massive difference. OR try the lightest version of whichever vallaslin you choose. I've noticed that removing their vallaslin makes the Lavellan characters look younger, more innocent, and even "freer" in a sense. It's rather fascinating. I don't know, I thought one of my Lavellans looked older and more her age after having them removed. Same Kiri with Vallaslin and without She's supposed to be 22, with Vallaslin she looks like a teenager
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Post by Artemis on Jan 17, 2017 16:27:05 GMT
Another option is to go for the simplest vallaslin, the one that's just over one eye. That way when it's removed it's not a massive difference. OR try the lightest version of whichever vallaslin you choose. I've noticed that removing their vallaslin makes the Lavellan characters look younger, more innocent, and even "freer" in a sense. It's rather fascinating. I don't know, I thought one of my Lavellans looked older and more her age after having them removed. Ha! I'm sure it depends on the Lavellan EDIT: As for Kiri, could be because her vallaslin is bright pink, which is very teenager-y! (Although also very beautiful beside her pale hair.)
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Post by Artemis on Jan 17, 2017 16:33:33 GMT
Here's mine: He's also 22, but maybe it's because I gave him a round baby face, which becomes more evident after the vallaslin are gone. I admit I wasn't sad to see it gone; this is an unmodded inquisitor so I had to use the default vallaslin, hair, skin texture, eyebrows, etc. and it just looks... sloppy lol stupid DAI CC. Without it, his face looks so much... cleaner. And sadder.
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Post by Gilli on Jan 17, 2017 20:55:24 GMT
I don't know, I thought one of my Lavellans looked older and more her age after having them removed. Ha! I'm sure it depends on the Lavellan EDIT: As for Kiri, could be because her vallaslin is bright pink, which is very teenager-y! (Although also very beautiful beside her pale hair.) Definitively Yeah, probably I just wanted it to look good next to her eyes (which are pink/blue) Thanks
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Post by morir_a_solas on Jan 18, 2017 4:04:19 GMT
I don't know, I thought one of my Lavellans looked older and more her age after having them removed. Ha! I'm sure it depends on the Lavellan EDIT: As for Kiri, could be because her vallaslin is bright pink, which is very teenager-y! (Although also very beautiful beside her pale hair.) I agree with you, my Lavellan was a mid 30's strong dalish hunter, so I went for a badass look instead of a cute pixie one, scars and a big June vallaslins! So when they were removed she didn't look the same at all, she just looked human and normal! She did look more mature though which I liked since most of the cast of DAI seemed to be around their late 30's - mid 40's and I wanted her to feel like their equal and with enough experience to contribute more than just the mark (not that there's anything wrong with being young and inexperienced, it all depends on the way we want to tell the story)
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 18, 2017 4:20:13 GMT
I don't want to derail this too much, 'cause I think the discussion's gone in an interesting direction, but I do wanna thank folks for their feedback on this. The idea that it's mostly about the headcanon of what it means to the Inquisitor and the sort of "literary" value of creating a foil to Solas are both good points that I'd thought of before, and seeing people talk about it reminded me of the things I did enjoy about the romance, even if the number of scenes specific to it were low. So thanks again!
Now then, back to posting people's elf concepts! I'm taking notes!
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Post by phoray on Jan 18, 2017 19:08:37 GMT
I don't want to derail this too much, 'cause I think the discussion's gone in an interesting direction, but I do wanna thank folks for their feedback on this. The idea that it's mostly about the headcanon of what it means to the Inquisitor and the sort of "literary" value of creating a foil to Solas are both good points that I'd thought of before, and seeing people talk about it reminded me of the things I did enjoy about the romance, even if the number of scenes specific to it were low. So thanks again! Now then, back to posting people's elf concepts! I'm taking notes! Are we talking what they look like? Or the elven back stories we've written? Sounds like it would be an interesting thread all on its own. Like, "your elven backstory" and not necessarily just for Inquisition. I don't want to leave good elven Warden backstories out.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 18, 2017 20:11:16 GMT
I don't want to derail this too much, 'cause I think the discussion's gone in an interesting direction, but I do wanna thank folks for their feedback on this. The idea that it's mostly about the headcanon of what it means to the Inquisitor and the sort of "literary" value of creating a foil to Solas are both good points that I'd thought of before, and seeing people talk about it reminded me of the things I did enjoy about the romance, even if the number of scenes specific to it were low. So thanks again! Now then, back to posting people's elf concepts! I'm taking notes! Are we talking what they look like? Or the elven back stories we've written? Sounds like it would be an interesting thread all on its own. Like, "your elven backstory" and not necessarily just for Inquisition. I don't want to leave good elven Warden backstories out. Back stories, eh? Are we talking just for the ones romancing Solas or all Lavellans? All Lavellans I guess since you mentioned Wardens as well Put under cut since it's long and not everyone probably wants to read: Well my Solasmancer ended up being my Lavellan with the least developed backstory; I kind of just made him in the CC without thinking too much about it, and the character evolved as I played. It was my first time trying out a modded romance and I was worried it wouldn't work so I didn't let myself put too much into it. Turns out the modder was a frigging champ and everything worked out perfectly. Over time, Alin Lavellan evolved a decent backstory, just not necessarily very interesting. He's 22 years old at the time of the Breach. He was surprised the Keeper tasked him, such a young and inexperienced hunter, to spy on the enclave, but he took their orders without question. He is amiable and very wide-eyed, not having experienced much of the outside world. For most of the game he is very homesick, though he bonds easily with other members of the inquisition. He slips into a student/mentor role with Solas very easily, and falls in love with him over time. His backstory before the game is quite normal; he lived a quiet, uneventful life. He was always curious about humans and other cultures, but not enough to leave his clan.
Pell Lavellan, my Bullmancer, is quite the opposite. He was a mage and a scholar; I think being First or Second to the Keeper afforded him access to books that other young hunters didn't necessarily get. He's not a nerdy sort though, oh no; he's eager for adventure and curious to an almost dangerous degree. Maybe a little sociopathic, too lol Being a mage doesn't mean he's not also a great fighter; growing up, he never let magic become a crutch for him, and he practiced shooting and swordplay with all the other hunters. Bull is basically the culmination of his thirst for the outside, the alien, the unusual; he liked him immediately, though of course he eventually got to know him as a person and not just an exotic other.
Auren Lavellan is my oldest Lavellan, who I naively started writing fanfics for before we even knew who the love interests would be OR what the whole plot of the game would be LOL So consequently he has the most indepth backstory. His parents have both passed away; he has a younger sister, a mage, whom he is fiercely overprotective of. He had a lover when he was younger, and the two used to go adventuring together, leaving the clan behind for days. His lover died at the hands of humans, so Auren has a deep hatred (fear) and mistrust of humans at the beginning of the game. After his lover died, he continued to venture off alone, which worried his clan, not because he wasn't capable of defending himself, but he was clearly emotionally unstable and becoming more and more distant. He isn't the brightest cookie in the jar, so he masks his lack of understanding as contempt for erudite scholarship lol Even so, he has a good heart. He's 28 years old at the beginning of the game. EDIT: Oh and he's my Cullenmancer.
I do have elven Wardens but tbh I don't care for that game all that much and haven't played it in years. Plus they both romanced Zevran, who didn't appear in DAI, so I really feel like I no longer have any connection to my Warden.
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 19, 2017 13:16:36 GMT
I don't want to derail this too much, 'cause I think the discussion's gone in an interesting direction, but I do wanna thank folks for their feedback on this. The idea that it's mostly about the headcanon of what it means to the Inquisitor and the sort of "literary" value of creating a foil to Solas are both good points that I'd thought of before, and seeing people talk about it reminded me of the things I did enjoy about the romance, even if the number of scenes specific to it were low. So thanks again! I've said this elsewhere, but here is it again: Bioware's companions are all lesser for being non-essential. Stories come alive through the characters that drive them, and if a companion isn't important to the story, both the story and the character suffer. All three romanceable characters I appreciated as more than "just another optional addon" in Bioware's games were characters who knew more about the plot my protagonists were embroiled in than the protagonists themselves, at least to start with, and often continuing throughout the story. They also had their own agenda which was not necessarily compatible with mine. Morrigan, Miranda and Solas are similar in that regard. The problem was that in spite of that, they didn't have any more content than other characters regardless of their importance, and thus both the story and the characters suffered. I would rather like more pseudo-canonical romances, which would still be avoidable but add considerably to the main story arc if you engage in them, except then the candidates for such would probably be way less interesting, for Bioware would soften any edges of some writer's vision for mass appeal until nothing interesting remained. Perhaps they should take inspiration from The Witcher 3 - Yennefer has much in common with Miranda as I envisioned her before LotSB and ME3 came along, and yet she's a fan favorite.
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Post by javeart on Jan 19, 2017 17:50:44 GMT
I've said this elsewhere, but here is it again: Bioware's companions are all lesser for being non-essential. Stories come alive through the characters that drive them, and if a companion isn't important to the story, both the story and the character suffer. All three romanceable characters I appreciated as more than "just another optional addon" in Bioware's games were characters who knew more about the plot my protagonists were embroiled in than the protagonists themselves, at least to start with, and often continuing throughout the story. They also had their own agenda which was not necessarily compatible with mine. Morrigan, Miranda and Solas are similar in that regard. The problem was that in spite of that, they didn't have any more content than other characters regardless of their importance, and thus both the story and the characters suffered. I would rather like more pseudo-canonical romances, which would still be avoidable but add considerably to the main story arc if you engage in them, except then the candidates for such would probably be way less interesting, for Bioware would soften any edges of some writer's vision for mass appeal until nothing interesting remained. Perhaps they should take inspiration from The Witcher 3 - Yennefer has much in common with Miranda as I envisioned her before LotSB and ME3 came along, and yet she's a fan favorite. Well, TW3 model works well if you like Yenefer, and makes sense only because Geralt is a predefined character. But for a BW game, I'd definitely prefer having a choice that goes beyond having a romance or not, or accepting a "mini" romance instead. I'm happy that BW games are not made to be played preferably in a certain way, regardless of the quality of the content and the amount of people who likes it, and even if the story suffers for it. Of course, the narrative would flow easier without choices, but choices are the whole point. And that goes for every aspct of the game, not just romance. To me that sounds like giving more missions only fitting for a pro-templar Inqusitor, for example.
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 19, 2017 19:01:21 GMT
Well, TW3 model works well if you like Yenefer, and makes sense only because Geralt is a predefined character. But for a BW game, I'd definitely prefer having a choice that goes beyond having a romance or not, or accepting a "mini" romance instead. I'm happy that BW games are not made to be played preferably in a certain way, regardless of the quality of the content and the amount of people who likes it, and even if the story suffers for it. Of course, the narrative would flow easier without choices, but choices are the whole point. And that goes for every aspct of the game, not just romance. To me that sounds like giving more missions only fitting for a pro-templar Inqusitor, for example. I would keep the choices, but not necessarily keep them equal. In part, Solas works so well as a romance exactly because his romance is so much unlike the others, with him being more important and a future antagonist as well. I'm not even the primary target audience for it - I usually prefer female human protagonists - but I wish that those companions important to the main story arc get more content. I admit I've grown somewhat cynical, though. In the MET, in DA2 and DAI I couldn't get the outcomes I'd have preferred in the most important decisions pertaining to my protagonist's fate (as opposed to the world's fate), so I really don't care as much any more about whether I like them, and if I don't like them anyway, at least I can get a better story. TW3 did that better, too - I like both outcomes for Geralt and both outcomes for Ciri if she survives. The decisions are hard because I like all outcomes, now that I know how to get them, not - like Bioware usually does it these days - because I have to pick my poison.
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Post by javeart on Jan 19, 2017 19:37:38 GMT
I would keep the choices, but not necessarily keep them equal. In part, Solas works so well as a romance exactly because his romance is so much unlike the others, with him being more important and a future antagonist as well. I'm not even the primary target audience for it - I usually prefer female human protagonists - but I wish that those companions important to the main story arc get more content. I admit I've grown somewhat cynical, though. In the MET, in DA2 and DAI I couldn't get the outcomes I'd have preferred in the most important decisions pertaining to my protagonist's fate (as opposed to the world's fate), so I really don't care as much any more about whether I like them, and if I don't like them anyway, at least I can get a better story. TW3 did that better, too - I like both outcomes for Geralt and both outcomes for Ciri if she survives. The decisions are hard because I like all outcomes, now that I know how to get them, not - like Bioware usually does it these days - because I have to pick my poison. The thing is that if choices are not given an equal treatment, for me it doesn't feel like a real choice in terms of RP, since you're probably going to end up picking just whatever gives you more/best content, so what you acually get is more like an escape in case you really dislike a particular path... I don't know, I can enjoy romances that play out basically like side content and, in fact, I think I dislike the idea of using the TW3 model in a BW game so much precisely because I tend to prefer the "irrelevant" LIs And TW3 itself is a another example of that: I don't know if my opinion would be different if I was into women, but I find Triss more likeable than Yenefer (I went with Yenefer anyway, but only because of the books). Even with Solas, I care more for his personality than for his role in the plot. I'm ok though with more plot-related companions having a little more of content, but only the part that everyone can experience regardless of their RP choices (and that's why I love the friendship/rivalry system), keeping the romances equal
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Post by Artemis on Jan 19, 2017 19:45:20 GMT
I get what you're both saying though.
I, too, prefer Solas for his personality more so than his involvement in the plot, BUT the relaionship that he shares with Lavellan is very specific to Lavellan's PERSONAL plot. So, in a way, there IS uniqueness and specificity there, and that does make it special. To that end, although I am USUALLY in favor of making all romances available to all, I can grudgingly support making Solas's romance elf-only (although not female-only).
I think when a character DOES NOT bring a certain level of intrigue and uniqueness in terms of personality and a relevence to the main character's personal plot then it DOES help if they are more closely tied to the main story. Imagine if Anders had not blown up the Chantry. I really don't think his romance would have been all that interesting; it would come down to a personal taste issue. I think this applies to Merrill and Fenris, especially. I personally adore Fenris; his character hits all my buttons, but on a macro scale, he has no relevance to the plot whatsoever and doesn't really have any relevance to Hawke's specific plot (of saving his/her family and rising to power, etc.) either. Same could also be said for Zevran and maybe Sera.
Characters like Blackwall, Dorian, and Bull I also feel are not closely linked to the main plot but at least there are aspects of the qun, the wardens, and Tevinter in the main plotline. (The writers just, imo, failed to link the characters as close to those plots as they should have.)
EDIT: I would add that romancing someone like Miranda, Kaidan, or Ashley in ME is akin to romancing someone like Solas or Morrigan. These characters are intensely tied in with both the main plotline of the game as well as Shepard's personal plot (his/her position in the Alliance, fighting the Reapers, dealing with Cerberus, etc.).
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 20, 2017 9:36:57 GMT
Count me as another person who, on average, prefers the romances with the 'side' characters. Origins is a partial exception because I love Alistair and Zevran about equally, but my favourite DA2 romance is Fenris, and in Inquisition it's Blackwall. In fact, I prefer almost all of the other options to Solas. (The romance has some interesting stuff in, but it didn't really engage me until during and after the breakup scene. I feel like any romance where I only get invested in the relationship after it fails is unbalanced somewhere.)
If BioWare focused on deeper romances with plot-relevant characters instead of giving us a broader range of options, Alistair wold probably be the only one of my favourites (or even second-favourites) left.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 20, 2017 11:56:19 GMT
Count me as another person who, on average, prefers the romances with the 'side' characters. Origins is a partial exception because I love Alistair and Zevran about equally, but my favourite DA2 romance is Fenris, and in Inquisition it's Blackwall. In fact, I prefer almost all of the other options to Solas. (The romance has some interesting stuff in, but it didn't really engage me until during and after the breakup scene. I feel like any romance where I only get invested in the relationship after it fails is unbalanced somewhere.) If BioWare focused on deeper romances with plot-relevant characters instead of giving us a broader range of options, Alistair wold probably be the only one of my favourites (or even second-favourites) left. I probably had no one left. My favorite in DAO was Zevran, in DA2 Fenris and Isabella and in DAI Iron Bull and Blackwall. I'd take those over the 'important' characters any day
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Post by phoray on Jan 20, 2017 17:22:30 GMT
I like Alistair and Zevran Equally. Fenris wins me for DA2. And I can't even imagine Inquisition being as enjoyable if I couldn't make out with and marry Cullen- and I've tried Cass, Solas, and Blackwall. I think I'll enjoy Dorian and Sera but as of right now Cullen wins. And maybe he isn't trying to get an old God baby soul, or trying to fight for mage freedom, or plotting to burn the world in raw chaos... But he was there all three games and he wants to improve the world in a way he cares about. His version of caring just doesn't involve violence or dark rituals.
I think that giving more content to plot relevant characters happens by association. Morrigan Got the entire DR conversation and a special sex scene if you did it. Then she got to show up again in DAI. Anders got his planting the bomb sequence as well as choosing his death. And Solas is a whole 20 minute conversation at the end of a DLC when no other LI gets a special scene except for Cullen, Sera, and a mini scene with Blackwall.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 22, 2017 19:16:00 GMT
Adding myself to the list of people who generally prefer less plot-heavy romances. So-called less relevant characters still bring their own unique perspectives to the story, providing insight into various factions and showing that there's more going on in the world than JUST the Main Plot. I loved learning about the Crows and the Jennies. And I love common people in general. Probably why I dislike playing nobles. I do like Solas's romance arc, though. My only complaint (besides sparseness) is that because the reveal is so epic, the romance itself ends up feeling sort of... removed... from the real world. Less grounded. Still entertaining!
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Post by Artemis on Jan 22, 2017 22:37:44 GMT
I don't think y'all are really disagreeing with me. More like I'm saying -- I wish the Crows and the Jennies and the Wardens and what-not had themselves been more plot relevant. I think the Jennies are totally cool. How great was it when we realized that Sera was related to that little side-plot from DA2?! And then when we're recruiting her, we realize she might be able to help us with her unique little operation. Then... nothing. Here and there we click a spot on the map in the War Room, read a little write-up, select an advisor, and that's it. What if we met a Jenny at the Winter Palace (Sera)? What if it turned out a group of Tevinter magisters had been helping or manipulating the qunari or Meredith in DA2 (Fenris)? What if we encountered Crows trying to murder one of the dwarven kings in Orzammar (Zevran)? I doubt those of us who love Sera, Fenris, and Zevran would like their romances less because their stories became more entwined with the main plot.
I pretty sure most people who say Sera is their favorite don't say so because they enjoy the fact that she's not really part of the main plot. They say they like her because they like her; she's funny, she's cute, they love her personality, her voice actor, her design, whatever.
I just think when you love a character AND they're actually written into the main story, it ends up being the best combination. Sadly it doesn't happen a whole lot, especially since the most involved companions are often the most restricted romance-wise.
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Post by javeart on Jan 22, 2017 22:55:13 GMT
Artemis I can only speak for myself but I think probably most people is disagreeing with the idea of following the model of TW3 for romances, not with your post But, you know, thinking about it now, sometimes a side love-story is just perfect for me, because having a story related to the main plot where your LI plays a critical role, like your examples with Sera, Fenris and Zevran, those sound great. But the truly plot-related romances, tend to involve huge amounts of drama, and one does not always want that And isn't great how easy and fun is everything with Zevran? I'd still go with him instead of Alistair anyway, but the truth is that I'm quite happy about skipping all the drama that comes after the Landsmeet, with him dumping you if you're not a noble and didn't hardened him, and having also to choose between marry him to another woman, make him sleep with another woman (and watch it in a cutscene, nice touch ) to get her pregnant with and OGB or pick which one of you two is going to die So, I don't know, I still think that personality comes first, and sometimes being relevant to the main plot works well but sometimes being irrelevant to the main plot works even better It's nice to have the choice of a less dramatic romance, I'd say
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 22, 2017 23:05:17 GMT
I don't think y'all are really disagreeing with me. More like I'm saying -- I wish the Crows and the Jennies and the Wardens and what-not had themselves been more plot relevant. I think the Jennies are totally cool. How great was it when we realized that Sera was related to that little side-plot from DA2?! And then when we're recruiting her, we realize she might be able to help us with her unique little operation. Then... nothing. Here and there we click a spot on the map in the War Room, read a little write-up, select an advisor, and that's it. What if we met a Jenny at the Winter Palace (Sera)? What if it turned out a group of Tevinter magisters had been helping or manipulating the qunari or Meredith in DA2 (Fenris)? What if we encountered Crows trying to murder one of the dwarven kings in Orzammar (Zevran)? I doubt those of us who love Sera, Fenris, and Zevran would like their romances less because their stories became more entwined with the main plot. I pretty sure most people who say Sera is their favorite don't say so because they enjoy the fact that she's not really part of the main plot. They say they like her because they like her; she's funny, she's cute, they love her personality, her voice actor, her design, whatever. I just think when you love a character AND they're actually written into the main story, it ends up being the best combination. Sadly it doesn't happen a whole lot, especially since the most involved companions are often the most restricted romance-wise. I think it all comes down to different strokes, because I disagree that "when you love a character AND they're actually written into the main story, it ends up being the best combination." I understand why other people feel that way, but it's not something I look for in my romances... Morrigan being so central to the overarching storyline makes me want to romance her less, for instance. For me personally, I like little nods to the wider story. So... we see Tevinter slavers in DAO, and then we get a former Tevinter slave in DA2. We hear about the Jennies in DAO and DA2, and we get a companion in DAI. Leliana's agents have run-ins with Crows during war table missions. That's all the connection I want or need, really. But everyone's free to like what they like, of course.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 22, 2017 23:17:28 GMT
Hmm. I hear ya. Maybe it's because my choices have always been relegated to the outside since I GENERALLY only play m/m romances, and occasionally f/f, and even more occasionally f/m (with me being the female - only have one of those). It was great in DA2 to have the opportunity to romance plot important characters, although, ironically, my favorite ended up being the most disconnected from the overall narrative (Fenris) As for Zevran, I see plenty of room for angst there, although at least you don't have to watch a cut scene of him sleeping with another woman... though if you play a male character who romances Zevran (or anyone besides Morrigan), if you don't want to fucking die you have to watch your character get it on with her WTF BioWare Still, that was 2009; don't think they'd do something like that nowadays.
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Post by AGECCR on Jan 23, 2017 21:23:54 GMT
Artemis Somehow, that's worse to me than Jack's friendship being halted without the Magical Sheploo Penis. It's one thing to do that to a friendship arc, but the reveal about the vallasin is a big story reveal. Not just, "Your gods were real people," but "You're from the slave caste." I can't believe that they locked such a lore revelation behind the romance. I can't think of a single reason why Solas couldn't tell a befriended elven IQ the truth. Not one. A female elf would be also clueless if they decided they'd rather go after someone else. The fact the extremely lame and entirely unwhelming final boss brings that up and Solas won't boggles me. My two cents on this: I think it makes a lot of sense for his character. He rarely opens up about his past and the world he came from. It's exceedingly important and private to him. I think he'd only try to reveal that part of himself with the person he loved. He was trying to reach out to the Inquisitor and trust her with this information (even though he almost said something else). With anyone else, I think it would've been too much and he's not going to do that. They'll learn the truth eventually...
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Post by Morrigan on Jan 24, 2017 3:51:33 GMT
Artemis Somehow, that's worse to me than Jack's friendship being halted without the Magical Sheploo Penis. It's one thing to do that to a friendship arc, but the reveal about the vallasin is a big story reveal. Not just, "Your gods were real people," but "You're from the slave caste." I can't believe that they locked such a lore revelation behind the romance. I can't think of a single reason why Solas couldn't tell a befriended elven IQ the truth. Not one. A female elf would be also clueless if they decided they'd rather go after someone else. The fact the extremely lame and entirely unwhelming final boss brings that up and Solas won't boggles me. It is really quite weird. If you chose to play Dalish, female, mage, befriend the guardians, drink from the well and romance Solas, this will all result in a very interesting and special experience. It gives you a lot of bonus dialogue and it affects how you interpret events that remain unchanged. Part of me likes the fact that it's gated. Makes me feel special.
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Post by morir_a_solas on Jan 24, 2017 4:19:05 GMT
Hmm. I hear ya. Maybe it's because my choices have always been relegated to the outside since I GENERALLY only play m/m romances, and occasionally f/f, and even more occasionally f/m (with me being the female - only have one of those). It was great in DA2 to have the opportunity to romance plot important characters, although, ironically, my favorite ended up being the most disconnected from the overall narrative (Fenris) As for Zevran, I see plenty of room for angst there, although at least you don't have to watch a cut scene of him sleeping with another woman... though if you play a male character who romances Zevran (or anyone besides Morrigan), if you don't want to fucking die you have to watch your character get it on with her WTF BioWare Still, that was 2009; don't think they'd do something like that nowadays. I know what you mean, and I romanced Alistair in DAO who hated Morrigan, I felt like reloading and sacrifice my warden just so I wouldn't have to see him go through that I might be wrong but I think there was a specific reason Solas was straight, like they were trying to stay away from the "gay ppl are evil" movie trope, (although to be honest I haven't seen that since like the 90's and seriously doubt anyone from this generation even remembers it)
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 24, 2017 20:27:13 GMT
It may simply have been that it was easier to write the dialogue if it was for one gender only. He wasn't originally intended as a romance at all. I think there are some lines that just don't seem unisex but may be it is just that I am so used to Solas with a female Inquisitor that I find it hard to imagine him with a male.
Cullen is also race and gender specific and he was a late addition too. With him though I think it was more to do with the visual problems associated with more than two races or one gender because somebody in the past maintained that he was originally meant to be bisexual. I don't know how true that is.
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