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Post by Artemis on Jan 24, 2017 23:38:00 GMT
Artemis Somehow, that's worse to me than Jack's friendship being halted without the Magical Sheploo Penis. It's one thing to do that to a friendship arc, but the reveal about the vallasin is a big story reveal. Not just, "Your gods were real people," but "You're from the slave caste." I can't believe that they locked such a lore revelation behind the romance. I can't think of a single reason why Solas couldn't tell a befriended elven IQ the truth. Not one. A female elf would be also clueless if they decided they'd rather go after someone else. The fact the extremely lame and entirely unwhelming final boss brings that up and Solas won't boggles me. It is really quite weird. If you chose to play Dalish, female, mage, befriend the guardians, drink from the well and romance Solas, this will all result in a very interesting and special experience. It gives you a lot of bonus dialogue and it affects how you interpret events that remain unchanged. Part of me likes the fact that it's gated. Makes me feel special. Well. You are special. That's the definition of gated LOL Everyone on the other side of the gate though... not feeling so special.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 24, 2017 23:46:47 GMT
It may simply have been that it was easier to write the dialogue if it was for one gender only. He wasn't originally intended as a romance at all. I think there are some lines that just don't seem unisex but may be it is just that I am so used to Solas with a female Inquisitor that I find it hard to imagine him with a male. Cullen is also race and gender specific and he was a late addition too. With him though I think it was more to do with the visual problems associated with more than two races or one gender because somebody in the past maintained that he was originally meant to be bisexual. I don't know how true that is. Solas was originally intended to be bisexual, insomuch as he was a late minute addition, period. All of the flirt lines were voiced (though a mod is required to "unlock" them; the unlocking mostly consists of making the heart option available again, and the recorded dialogue falls into place; do note that cut scene dialogue was not recorded, or at least has not been found - err, understand I am not a modder though hahah). And trust me, all the lines are perfectly unisex. I've only romanced him... oh, three times now with a guy ^^ We are blinded (understandably) by our own playthroughs... as we should be, as we create our little canons and headcanons. Conversely, I can't imagine him with a woman. Several excuses have been given for making Solas and Cullen straight instead of bi. When asked why Solas couldn't be gay instead of straight, a dev said that having two gay romances in one game would be too many. (I want to say this was Mike Laidlaw; this was in the Q&A thread that was created after the 8 romances were fully revealed). Later another dev stated that Solas was initially bi but was changed to straight because the dev(s) feared he would be perceived as the "evil bisexual" (I may be getting that trope wrong. It was a trope I had never heard of, especially considering the stunning level of under-representation of bisexual characters in media. I also find it unusual in that Dragon Age has been pretty consistent about portraying bisexual characters as having many sexual partners, which is definitely a trope - not that they don't have a nearly equal number who break that mold, of course. And not that there's anything wrong with having lots of partners, but why must it always be the bisexual characters? Sebastian the "reformed" deviant notwithstanding.) A dev who no longer worked for the company claimed that Cullen was changed from bisexual to straight because the team ran out of time. This was on Twitter. I know no dev confirmed this; not sure if any denied this.
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Post by Melcara on Apr 24, 2017 10:47:20 GMT
It may simply have been that it was easier to write the dialogue if it was for one gender only. He wasn't originally intended as a romance at all. I think there are some lines that just don't seem unisex but may be it is just that I am so used to Solas with a female Inquisitor that I find it hard to imagine him with a male. Cullen is also race and gender specific and he was a late addition too. With him though I think it was more to do with the visual problems associated with more than two races or one gender because somebody in the past maintained that he was originally meant to be bisexual. I don't know how true that is. Solas was originally intended to be bisexual, insomuch as he was a late minute addition, period. All of the flirt lines were voiced (though a mod is required to "unlock" them; the unlocking mostly consists of making the heart option available again, and the recorded dialogue falls into place; do note that cut scene dialogue was not recorded, or at least has not been found - err, understand I am not a modder though hahah). And trust me, all the lines are perfectly unisex. I've only romanced him... oh, three times now with a guy ^^ We are blinded (understandably) by our own playthroughs... as we should be, as we create our little canons and headcanons. Conversely, I can't imagine him with a woman. Several excuses have been given for making Solas and Cullen straight instead of bi. When asked why Solas couldn't be gay instead of straight, a dev said that having two gay romances in one game would be too many. (I want to say this was Mike Laidlaw; this was in the Q&A thread that was created after the 8 romances were fully revealed). Later another dev stated that Solas was initially bi but was changed to straight because the dev(s) feared he would be perceived as the "evil bisexual" (I may be getting that trope wrong. It was a trope I had never heard of, especially considering the stunning level of under-representation of bisexual characters in media. I also find it unusual in that Dragon Age has been pretty consistent about portraying bisexual characters as having many sexual partners, which is definitely a trope - not that they don't have a nearly equal number who break that mold, of course. And not that there's anything wrong with having lots of partners, but why must it always be the bisexual characters? Sebastian the "reformed" deviant notwithstanding.) A dev who no longer worked for the company claimed that Cullen was changed from bisexual to straight because the team ran out of time. This was on Twitter. I know no dev confirmed this; not sure if any denied this. Actually, if I remember correctly, Mike Laidlaw said at PAXSouth that Weekes wrote the romance with female Lavellan in mind from the start. This tweet also confirms that Solas was always intended to be straight: As for why those voice lines exist, I have no idea. I do think that Cullen was supposed to originally be bi, though.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 26, 2017 12:22:54 GMT
There is very little content, this is true.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 26, 2017 20:00:33 GMT
As you sure the voice lines are specifically labelled "for a male LI" with respect to Solas? There are some things he still says to a male Lavellan even though they can lead to a heart icon response. One I can specifically think of is when he comments on you in relation to your class. So a mage has indomitable focus, which sounds okay for either gender, but he comments about a rogue's gracefulness, which does seem to go more with a female and which my gay male Lavellan was flattered/surprised to receive as a compliment. Among the heart icon dialogue specifically I suppose most responses would be generic, except near the end when he says "you are so beautiful", which I know could be said to a male lover but does seem more appropriate to a female one.
With Cullen I think it was less a problem about generic dialogue and more one of animating the romantic cut scenes. Female elf/human are not so very different, whereas male elf/human most definitely are and dwarf/qunari of either sex require a completely different animation to make them work, particularly considering some of the things that Cullen gets up to with his LI.
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Post by wispfox on Jun 30, 2019 1:36:11 GMT
It is really quite weird. If you chose to play Dalish, female, mage, befriend the guardians, drink from the well and romance Solas, this will all result in a very interesting and special experience. It gives you a lot of bonus dialogue and it affects how you interpret events that remain unchanged. I know this is an old thread, but... reallllly? I did these things, not realizing that it gave me the best playthrough for a solamance. It just... made the most sense to me. (my first playthrough, even)
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