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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 20, 2017 23:41:39 GMT
Yes, it got many GOTY awards in a weak year in gaming. Yes it was a financial success according to EA, despite then not releasing any real data to back it up. And yes, it was a critical success, but the word on the street from the actual gamers is that it was not a quality game as they expected with complaints of a bland protagonist, lifeless zones, fetch quest, cartoon villain, and weak story.
Considering that many people fear that MEA will be DAI in space....is it now safe to say that DAI was a disappointing game?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 23:51:01 GMT
This can change from person to person. Imo story was weak but considering it a disappointment is too harsh, I mean the game has great characters and if war table is a one game thing I don't mind it (but please no war table in MEA or DA4). Zones weren't empty people just don't know how to look for them in my first PT I felt the same but in second PT I decided to explore the maps and they led me to some awesome new areas and side stories. Most of the people were angry (including me) after they saw shard collecting quests and thought this was the only kind of side quest and called them fetch-quests
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Post by shechinah on Jan 21, 2017 0:02:38 GMT
Nope, I don't consider it to be disappointing and opinions on the street from actual gamers agree with me. Also, my side of the street could totally beat your side of the street up! Seriously, though, I would not say that there is a more or less uniformed opinion on this game, not then and not now. It has a diverse blend of opinions about it including some that consider the game flawed but still enjoyable with others that consider it too flawed to be enjoyable. People who love aspects of the game that others hate and so on. Regardless, Dragon Age: Inquisition was probably a very good thing for the Dragon Age francise since it seemed like EA was pleased with the sales and critical reception for it which means we are very likely to see another installment. With the DLCs, the developers have also shown that they're taking criticisms to heart so that increases the odds that we'll see improvements in the next game and fewer of the same shortcomings.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 21, 2017 0:17:51 GMT
Personally I like Inquisition, but the DA2 and DAO better to me. The reasons is in tacsear's post.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 21, 2017 0:25:34 GMT
Depends on the person. For me it was not a disappointment and in fact is quite the opposite being my favorite Bioware game of the last decade.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 21, 2017 0:27:36 GMT
*shrug*
It disappointed some people, but I'm not one of them. It's my favourite Dragon Age game to date, and one of my three favourite video games of all time.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 21, 2017 0:37:18 GMT
Yes, it got many GOTY awards in a weak year in gaming. Yes it was a financial success according to EA, despite then not releasing any real data to back it up. And yes, it was a critical success, but the word on the street from the actual gamers is that it was not a quality game as they expected with complaints of a bland protagonist, lifeless zones, fetch quest, cartoon villain, and weak story. Considering that many people fear that MEA will be DAI in space....is it now safe to say that DAI was a disappointing game? I think the answer will vary depending on the person, and what the respective individual wanted from the game (as everyone wanted something different). I know some folks are disappointed in Inquisition; TEWR even went as war as to draft his own story version of Inquisition. Personally, I am disappointed in how the Mage-Templar War was handled (truncated from a continental war to a small regional conflict), how the Orlesian civil was resolved, the lack of focus on Andrastian elves in the predominantly elven Dales, the Grey Wardens allying with a one-dimensional caricature for asinine reasons, and Corypheus being a one-note antagonist with no depth or nuance. Playing as a Dalish elf was also a disappointment for me, for the most part, and isolating from a character perspective. For me, it felt like he did almost nothing for the People.
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Post by xerrai on Jan 21, 2017 0:41:00 GMT
At the time? Most certainly not. Even though there are many people who doubt its legitimacy, DAI did not win game of the year for no reason. When it first came out, while i'm sure some were disappointed, it received high reviews on many game reveiew sites. The lowest scores were around 8/10.
But it was released in a year just before gaming quality went up by several notches (marked by the arrival of games like the Witcher III), Or perhaps its was released in a year where gaming quality was lacking, with Dragon Age Inquisition simply being the better game in a year of bad games. Depends how pessimistic or optimistic you are.
But now? Yeah. It's not new or new-ish game anymore. Many gamers tend to track the newest and greatest like bloodhounds. Its why some companies make bank by selling consoles every few years. Or how assassin's creed games keep on selling even though some of them are literally reskins with minimal gameplay changes (no offence intended to AC fans). Technology, and games by extension, tend to progress rapidly in terms of quality the more we grow in technological advancement (which is fast as hell). DAI just simply can't match the expectations of the now.
But as many have mentioned, it differs from person to person. I for instance was not disappointed at all, as it was my first dragon age game that had character and world building elements that I absolutely adored. But I have often heard that many dragon age fans say it does not match up prior games.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 21, 2017 0:54:20 GMT
Nope. Not to me. It didn't fill some expectations and there are flaws but overall, it's an enjoyable game.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 21, 2017 1:48:25 GMT
At the time? Most certainly not. Even though there are many people who doubt its legitimacy, DAI did not win game of the year for no reason. When it first came out, while i'm sure some were disappointed, it received high reviews on many game reveiew sites. The lowest scores were around 8/10. But it was released in a year just before gaming quality went up by several notches (marked by the arrival of games like the Witcher III), Or perhaps its was released in a year where gaming quality was lacking, with Dragon Age Inquisition simply being the better game in a year of bad games. Depends how pessimistic or optimistic you are. But now? Yeah. It's not new or new-ish game anymore. Many gamers tend to track the newest and greatest like bloodhounds. Its why some companies make bank by selling consoles every few years. Or how assassin's creed games keep on selling even though some of them are literally reskins with minimal gameplay changes (no offence intended to AC fans). Technology, and games by extension, tend to progress rapidly in terms of quality the more we grow in technological advancement (which is fast as hell). DAI just simply can't match the expectations of the now. But as many have mentioned, it differs from person to person. I for instance was not disappointed at all, as it was my first dragon age game that had character and world building elements that I absolutely adored. But I have often heard that many dragon age fans say it does not match up prior games. 2014 was a pretty weak year in AAA gaming.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 21, 2017 2:30:26 GMT
Somewhat disappointing.
It's not a BAD game, really. It did a good many things right. But it still failed to live up to expectations. In some ways, it was an even further step backward than DA2.
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Post by phoray on Jan 21, 2017 3:06:49 GMT
I find threads like this strange. It was a game of 2014, with DLCs released within a year of it's initial release. It's now January 2017. Should I find Dragon Age Origins Disappointing for it's unvoiced protaganist? It's dull colored backgrounds? It only having 3 dragons to fight in a game called Dragon Age?
I didn't come to this series until March 2016 and I don't follow the hype of other games. The closest to gaming news I follow is the Dragon Age Twitter Thread. I'm never going to go to an E3 and it's not because of money/time. The only reason I'm bothering with TW3 now is that people keep making constant comparisons, but as of right now, I see no replay value in it although I suspect an enjoyable single time.
One has to have expectations to be disappointed...and after two runs of DAO and a single run of DA2 in the span of 3 weeks last year, What did I expect from DAI when I booted it up? Interesting companions, half of which I expect to be able to date, in the world of Thedas with enough dialogue choices and story options to give me near infinite replayability. Considering I've played DAO 3 times, DA2 3 times, and DAI 4 times with plans for somewhere between 8-20 additional play throughs... I'd say DAI met my expectations. And was not a disappointment.
It's never been about the graphics. I didn't find my Quiz bland at all my first PT, although there is some totally bland dialogue options which can be avoided easily. There were NPCs in Origins that stood around and did nothing so it wasn't surprising to find more of them in DAI (same level of lifelessness). Corypheus was the weak villain that distracted you from the true villain hiding among your party, which I find supremely clever. And the story was weak? I mean, what did Origins offer as an overarching narrative? You are the Warden. You're desperate. Go get Allies. Beat the bad guy. DA2 had an excellent story, but "everyone" seemed to hate it for being small and focused on one person's life. DAI? It's summed up near the start of the game. "seal the Breach. Find those responsible. And end them." And all the politiking was to be able to get the power and support to do so. In a way, it is EXACTLY the same story of the Warden. But people hold Origins as the holy grail of the trilogy. And each sequel is supposedly trying to match it's greatness when it's EXACTLY the same story goal.
It's ALWAYS been about the companions and the relationships you can have with them. And Bioware gave us a cast of TWELVE this time, with some very strong supporting cast members in the form of Scout Harding and Mother Giselle, to name two. And maybe for you, the right flavor of friend and/or lover didn't ping for you as well before, but I was definitely not disappointed with what I have come to expect Bioware to deliver.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 21, 2017 4:43:50 GMT
*drinks*
For what it's worth, though, this is a much better way of starting a discussion about whether or not a game is good than say...other threads we've had recently.
As was mentioned above, it'll depend on the person.
For me, I fluctuate between really liking and loving DA:I...AND it was a disappointment. Because I really allowed myself to buy into the hype. Because the Crestwood demo didn't make it into the game. Because a bunch of other things that were mostly my fault for having paid too much attention to the marketing and a little Biowares fault for not sticking to their 'show, don't tell' mantra.
So, for me, it is still Origins - Inquisition- DA2. And I really like DA2.
Of course, if someone thought it was going to be utter crap, then waited for the GOTY edition with all the DLCs and patches, tey might have thought it was OK and thus not been disappointed because it exceeded their expectations.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 21, 2017 4:46:51 GMT
I find threads like this strange. It was a game of 2014, with DLCs released within a year of it's initial release. It's now January 2017. Should I find Dragon Age Origins Disappointing for it's unvoiced protaganist? It's dull colored backgrounds? It only having 3 dragons to fight in a game called Dragon Age? I didn't come to this series until March 2016 and I don't follow the hype of other games. The closest to gaming news I follow is the Dragon Age Twitter Thread. I'm never going to go to an E3 and it's not because of money/time. The only reason I'm bothering with TW3 now is that people keep making constant comparisons, but as of right now, I see no replay value in it although I suspect an enjoyable single time. One has to have expectations to be disappointed...and after two runs of DAO and a single run of DA2 in the span of 3 weeks last year, What did I expect from DAI when I booted it up? Interesting companions, half of which I expect to be able to date, in the world of Thedas with enough dialogue choices and story options to give me near infinite replayability. Considering I've played DAO 3 times, DA2 3 times, and DAI 4 times with plans for somewhere between 8-20 additional play throughs... I'd say DAI met my expectations. And was not a disappointment. It's never been about the graphics. I didn't find my Quiz bland at all my first PT, although there is some totally bland dialogue options which can be avoided easily. There were NPCs in Origins that stood around and did nothing so it wasn't surprising to find more of them in DAI (same level of lifelessness). Corypheus was the weak villain that distracted you from the true villain hiding among your party, which I find supremely clever. And the story was weak? I mean, what did Origins offer as an overarching narrative? You are the Warden. You're desperate. Go get Allies. Beat the bad guy. DA2 had an excellent story, but "everyone" seemed to hate it for being small and focused on one person's life. DAI? It's summed up near the start of the game. "seal the Breach. Find those responsible. And end them." And all the politiking was to be able to get the power and support to do so. In a way, it is EXACTLY the same story of the Warden. But people hold Origins as the holy grail of the trilogy. And each sequel is supposedly trying to match it's greatness when it's EXACTLY the same story goal. It's ALWAYS been about the companions and the relationships you can have with them. And Bioware gave us a cast of TWELVE this time, with some very strong supporting cast members in the form of Scout Harding and Mother Giselle, to name two. And maybe for you, the right flavor of friend and/or lover didn't ping for you as well before, but I was definitely not disappointed with what I have come to expect Bioware to deliver. I actually find it quite strange more people don't acknowledge that the 'real' villain was in the party. Seems so obvious that Corypheus was always out of his depth with the power he'd been given - whether he was aware of it or not.
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Post by phoray on Jan 21, 2017 4:54:23 GMT
Corypheus was the weak villain that distracted you from the true villain hiding among your party, which I find supremely clever. I actually find it quite strange more people don't acknowledge that the 'real' villain was in the party. Seems so obvious that Corypheus was always out of his depth with the power he'd been given - whether he was aware of it or not. Don't acknowledge or didn't notice? Cuz Solas totally got me, I'm not naturally suspicious. Only and single flag I noticed was his grumpiness at the Winter Palace. Heck, I didn't even notice Thom not being a Warden. Those secrets just flew round m oblivious head. But if you mean acknowledge, there are some people who haven't played Trespasser but have played base Game?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 21, 2017 5:39:20 GMT
Sorry, I meant after playing everything. Seeing th post credits scene of the base game as well as Trespasser.
He totally fools me too, the first time, then I saw the post credits scene.
I was always a little suspect about Blackwall, but just thought he had his own agenda. Never occurred to me he wasn't a Warden.
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Post by opuspace on Jan 21, 2017 6:19:00 GMT
Meh, Dragon Age Inquisition got me interested and invested into the series while DAO and DA2 couldn't. That's an accomplishment in of itself. I still enjoy playing it, still care about the lore. It's thanks to Inquisition that I have an interest someday in playing the other games.
I may complain, but I can say it's because I care about where the story and characters are going.
It's not like it could have done any worse than ME3. Hell, I became a fan of Dragon Age because of how frustrating ME3 became.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jan 21, 2017 6:20:06 GMT
As the OP admits, the game was a (fairly large) success by basically every verifiable measure: sales, critical acclaim, awards, DAI has it covered. There are always going to be people who are dissatisfied with any game, and DAI is no different.. but that's not enough to consider a game a disappointment in any general sense.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 21, 2017 8:31:13 GMT
Not for me. DAI is my favorite game of all time.
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Post by eriador117 on Jan 21, 2017 11:32:51 GMT
It wasn't a disappointment to me. I've had about 20 playthroughs of it so far. I wouldn't keep playing it if I hadn't found it interesting or thought it disappointing. It's my 2nd favourite game, DA2 is my favourite.
I was glad It got some GOTY awards, because that means we might get Dragon Age 4 sometime. You're never going to please everyone 100% of the time. But that's true of any medium, whether it be a book, film or computer game. I personally love it.
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Post by Nashimura on Jan 21, 2017 12:20:32 GMT
It was... but only after i had finished it and thought about it a bit, as i was playing it i liked it. The story being shallow and sparse was a major disappointment for me, the actual story content when you strip away the busy work is very little. The story itself felt more Saturday morning cartoon than fantasy epic. On replays i started to hate the combat, the bloated design of stuffing the world with pointless bland quests and tying it to the 'power' requirement just to push the running time to claim 'we have so much content' for a sequel i would much rather see less content, more focus. People here are massively fed up with Witcher 3 comparisons, i am sure... but ill still make one having less side quests but having them to that level, less (or none) trash quests... nobody should expect an American company to be able to match that game for quality and quantity, but i feel if you are going to have to skimp on one of the two, id rather they skimp on quantity every time. That said, it's not like Bioware have been trying to slip in trash quests for a while now, even when they were still considered greats of the industry you still had the Mako planet filler quests in ME 1, they were better than DAI, but only just and you had those awful side quests in Origins, thankfully that game held up in it's main plot.
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 21, 2017 16:35:07 GMT
As someone who was very much disappointed by Inquisition, I nevertheless believe is not a bad game, per se. Sure, I find most of it mediocre — the bulk of the content consists of inane busywork, the plot is trite (and unlike in Origins, you do not have compelling subplots and sidequests to make up for it), the places you visit pretty but uninteresting, and the combat is irritatingly tedious and drawn out, what with every enemy having a health bar the size of a football field and random, repetitive encounters popping up constantly.
What little is good about it is pretty good, though. I said the areas were pretty, but it would be more accurate to say they are gorgeous. It is apparent that a lot of effort went into them. It has one of Bioware's best casts of followers, perhaps only inferior to Origins' own. And I like how the crafting works, even if I'm less enthused about getting the materials for it. I also hear the DLCs improve upon the base game, which may very well be true even though I am, as you may imagine, wary of purchasing more content for a game I did not like, for the most part.
All that said, the stronger parts of Inquisition make me want to replay it at times, and I may just end up doing that sometime before the next Dragon Age rolls around. As such, it is difficult for me to consider an absolute failure, in spite of the lackluster execution.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 21, 2017 17:55:27 GMT
While Hawke might remain my favorite protagonist overall (by a small margin admittedly), DAI has my favorite story of the lot, and has some of my favorite moments in the entire franchise, as well as some of my favorite characters. Also, dragon fights. I just love those so much.
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Post by lundajfs on Jan 21, 2017 18:37:11 GMT
As a game DAI is a disappointment, it is a fact.
Now the thing is that as a book/movie/romance simmulator/others DAI is not. So some people mix those things and believe it is a good game, it is objectively not. It is a straightforward failure as a game.
DAI is a Neo-Bioware-fan pleaser, it pleases SJW (which I like, I'm all for social justice/evolution), it has romances, the never-changing plot (you're screwd, find armies, make alliances, save the world) and so on. Story can be good or not depending on what you like or your standards. Characters are as usual.
But as a game the huge empty zones, the combat that pleases no one ("I'm not bothered by it" is far from "wow what an amazing combat"), the lack of control over character development/stats/build, the quantity of fetch quests to fill the voids (still, large spaces are just empty), the MMOstyle of combat respawn and resources respawn/gathering... all of these things are problems. From a technical point of view, they are errors in game design. You may bear these burdens but it is a stretch to say you like them and that they can't be done in better ways or that as a RPG these things make the game better, they help the narrative, character development and others.
I know fans will scream how this is all matter of opinion, ok, I stand by my decision of calling these things erros, facts and not opinions. I don't think that making the leader of Inquisition farm resources contribute to develop their character, the story or make the game more enjoyable or interesting. Also I can't see how taking away stats points make the game better when there was always the option to allow people to let the game do it for them, so less options is never a good thing. I can't see how making huge maps with one or two quests that develop the story and a hundred that adds nothing to the game is something great.
However, even hating the game completely, 101%, I can admit that one may find the story compelling, the characters (as usual from Bioware), the graphics, the music/sound effect/dub, the map design, the lore and few other things. Those could be discussed as amazing, poor, standard, whatever, because I can see how one could think they are the best thing ever, but those things in the last paragraph... nope, no redemption, they are flaws, errors, tumors in the franchise.
DAI does not divide opinion, everyone agrees it sucks. The thing is that people that like DAI judge the "movie DAI", "the book DAI", "the romance simmulator DAI" and so on, but never have I seen someone posting about how amazing the combat system is, at most, as I said, they say "it is not that bad". The maps being empty, no one likes it, some people say they "are not that empty" or that they "enjoy the landscape", but no one says "wow I love empty maps, every game should have huge empty maps". Fetch quests follow the same... there are people who don't mind them, others who like them, but no one says "wow fetch quests are so amazing, put them in all DA games from now on, I loved it!"... so you see where this is going.
People bear an awful game because they enjoy other things that captivate them. In fact, as sad as it is, this has been Bioware reality for a long time, like Mass Effect is an awful shooter but people play it because story,romance,reasons... Unfortunatly from DA2 onwards this became the reality of DA too... Bioware is not good at making games, they should keep their writers but they should really hire other people to take care of the gaming part. On a side note, it seems, perhaps, if we're hopeful, that Andromeda is not going to be that awful in the gameplay part, perhaps it will be a fully fledged game, good action, we (well you, I'm not into ME) can hope, it would be a first.
Anyway... DAI is an abomination that should have never been born, if it was not for the passions people invested on the story and characters no one would disagree. As I understand it Bioware would better make DA franchise into interactive novels with personalized characters, would free us from their supernaturally awful gameplay decisions. If people are in for story and character why Bioware make us bear all the awful rest?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 21, 2017 19:26:23 GMT
Replace "fair" with "pointless" and I'm 100% with you.
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