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Post by Plague Doctor on Jan 22, 2017 19:32:07 GMT
This post made me think that there is so much potential for stories with these guys/gals. Maybe in conjunction with another blight. Obviously it wont be the focus of DA4, but it could set things up for the next game. Im just really interested in these people. The Architect is so different from old Cory, i would love to have a group of them interacting with each other - some antagonists, some potential allies. (Also, if the next game really does take place in Tevinter i want to be able to be an Old God worshiper. )
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 22, 2017 19:47:27 GMT
This post made me think that there is so much potential for stories with these guys/gals. Maybe in conjunction with another blight. Obviously it wont be the focus of DA4, but it could set things up for the next game. Im just really interested in these people. The Architect is so different from old Cory, i would love to have a group of them interacting with each other - some antagonists, some potential allies. We already had Corypheus, so the next game may head in another direction entirely. The Architect could be dead (and Dragon Age really needs to stop resurrecting people from the dead simply because the developers don't plan things ahead). (Also, if the next game really does take place in Tevinter i want to be able to be an Old God worshiper. ) Some non-Andrastian options for the main character would be nice.
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Post by javeart on Jan 22, 2017 19:57:07 GMT
Well, I expect to deal in future games in one way or another with Razikale and Lusacan, and I imagine that their respective high priests could make an appearence. We don't really know much of the connection between them, but after all, the GW met Cory a few years after the first Bligh and the Architech a few years before the fifth, so, I don't know, kind of seems likely to me... Watchman of Night and Augur of Mystery, btw, sound promising The rest of them, I'm not so sure, we know so little about them, their relationship with the old gods and the blight... It's intriguing, yes
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 22, 2017 20:06:45 GMT
To be honest, I think the "A Different Darkspawn" codex implies they turned on each other. Most of them are dead.
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Post by javeart on Jan 22, 2017 20:23:08 GMT
To be honest, I think the "A Different Darkspawn" codex implies they turned on each other. Most of them are dead. Ok, I'm re-reading it, and I'm not lossing hope it talks about 3 darkspawns, and they could perfectly have been precisely the high priests of Toth, Andoral and Zazikel, no?
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Post by Reznore on Jan 22, 2017 20:30:47 GMT
I want the one who was called something like the Madman of Chaos. He probably wasn't all there to begin with so perhaps the Golden City didn't do such a number on his brain.
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Post by javeart on Jan 22, 2017 20:38:44 GMT
In fact, thinking now that the codex only bother to imply that 3 of them are already dead, I'm even more convinced that we're going to meet Watchman of Night and Augur of Mystery in the future . It would have been very easy to say 5 and get it over with
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 22, 2017 20:40:18 GMT
To be honest, I think the "A Different Darkspawn" codex implies they turned on each other. Most of them are dead. From the codex, it sounds like one is dead (and eaten) of the 3 listed there, though it's entirely possible they just possessed new bodies (same with the Architect if you "killed" him) and are still running around. I think it is inevitable given enough time we'll see (whomever remains) of the Magisters Sidreal. But for now, there are other other mysteries to delve into - the Evanuris, the Scaled Ones, Titans...
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Post by javeart on Jan 22, 2017 20:42:30 GMT
To be honest, I think the "A Different Darkspawn" codex implies they turned on each other. Most of them are dead. From the codex, it sounds like one is dead (and eaten) of the 3 listed there, though it's entirely possible they just possessed new bodies (same with the Architect if you "killed" him) and are still running around. I think it is inevitable given enough time we'll see (whomever remains) of the Magisters Sidreal. But for now, there are other other mysteries to delve into - the Evanuris, the Scaled Ones, Titans... That's why we need like 10-20 more dragon age games and why one every 5 years is not enough
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Post by Plague Doctor on Jan 22, 2017 20:46:13 GMT
Well, since they built up Razikale (Slightly) in both base DAI and JoH im reasonably sure that we will have at least a mention of the Augur at some point in DA4. What better place to set them up than their homeland after all. It could also be that the Augur is elven and actually supports Solas plan.
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Post by Hellkite on Feb 4, 2017 9:09:18 GMT
I'm really keen to find out what shaper Valta has been up to, the impact it will have on the dwarves, will we witness the rise of deep magic and will i get to play one?
That said, there was a lot of Razikale mentions so probably something to do there.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 4, 2017 10:46:22 GMT
Even before the Imperium, Razikale was the main patron goddess of the kingdom of Tevinter. I believe she also specifically was patron of Minrathous. So, given the increased attention that has been given to her, I'm pretty sure she will figure somewhere in the next game, if only through a dragon cult dedicated to her.
As for the Magisters who went to the Golden City, we only have Hessarian's word on it that all of the high priests did go/were in favour of it and even if they were all involved, their worshippers may not have approved. The entry in JoH about her worshippers trying to re-establish contact seemed to suggest that they were doing something independent to the priesthood. "Those who should guide us instead wage war upon each other, vying for a throne that does not exist." I think the "throne that does not exist" may refer to the "seat of the Maker" in the Golden City, which is interesting because had Razikale suggested to them at an earlier date that the throne of the gods did not lie in that city.
I'm hoping that they will start to reveal why the Old Gods fell silent when they did. It seems strange that their worshippers were accustomed to making contact with them in their dreams and this abruptly stopped even before the 1st Blight. Was Dumat conspiring against everyone in encouraging the assault on the Golden City in order to bring about their ruin? Why was he known as the God of Silence? Also Luscacan the god of night and thus by implication darkness, would seem to be involved, although Razikale is also said to be the "Shadow that obscures the path ahead" (A mystery to be discovered).
"Silence has fallen". "Save us from the silence which devours." (Both pointing to Dumat and the last very sinister). "The paths ahead are lost in darkness and those who walk them find only ruin." (Lusacan interfering in some way?) "Run if you can. Madness has filled the silence." (Zazikel getting in on the act perhaps?)
Or were these things all the work of Razikale, the goddess of mystery, who wished to keep certain things from being known?
Then we have Flemeth's words about Kieran. He has the soul of an ancient being "snatched from the jaws of darkness." We also have Corypheus' memories. "They ......claim we brought the darkness. We discovered the darkness. We claimed it as our own, let it permeate our being." So it would seem the darkness is related to the Blight and Flemeth/Mythal was trying to prevent all the Old Gods from being claimed by it.
I hope we start getting some answers to these mysteries once we get to the city of the Goddess of Mystery.
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Post by bear on Feb 4, 2017 11:23:40 GMT
To be honest, I think the "A Different Darkspawn" codex implies they turned on each other. Most of them are dead. Yeah. I interpreted that letter to mean that the magister running away was The Architect and the one who ate the last one was Corypheus. While more info on what the Blight is, would be welcome, I wouldn't want the story to revolve around them. A small side quest would be the extent of their desired involvement. imo.
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Post by Princess Trejo on Feb 4, 2017 13:09:24 GMT
Irrelevant. They are dead, not undead, but literal dead, as in under-the-earth dead.
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Post by ellehaym on Feb 4, 2017 21:58:10 GMT
I don't think it's too necessary. Corypheus is pretty much the pinnacle of what darkspawn-magisters can be. If they do decide to go that route, I hope the next one isn't too antagonistic and maybe even ally with us.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 5, 2017 6:52:25 GMT
Considering DA4 is still a good 3 years away, I think the idea of introducing any points for the sake of DA5 is getting a little ahead of ourselves. That said, I have a little theory that the First Warden is, in fact, one of said Magisters (or something much like them), and I'd enjoy seeing that confirmed or denied. Also, rather than having more appear and leave more dangling threads, it might be more interesting to get confirmation that one or more of them actually has been killed over the ages. It still raises a bit of intrigue over what could've caused it, but ties off anything that could potentially lead to another one returning.
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Post by shroomofdoom on Feb 5, 2017 17:52:22 GMT
Solas too is pretty hell bent on not seeing the Old Gods destroyed, he clearly fears the blight and it's power but no the Old Gods themselves. When the Grey Wardens seek to destroy the old gods in a pre-emptive attack to negate future blights, in DA:I Solas gets as worked up as I've seen him. I assumed at first, that this was due in part to the fact, that without the call of the old goods, the blight might never end, that Solas could see a blight without direction that would consume the world.
But someone on another forum made mention, that perhaps, the old gods have some connection with the banished Evanuris. Now it's a thought we've all had, but the more I see of the story the more compelling the idea is becoming. Are the old gods, dragons to whom either the Evanuris of the Forgotten ones, have been bound to? Are they seprate and distinct? Or one and the same. I could imagine the Evanuris, trapped, whispering to early humans and teaching them of magic and becoming the Old Gods of early Tevinter. Flemeth/Mythal certainly seek to recover their souls (though for what purpose?) and Solas would seem to wish to preserve them. I really wish we had the option to actually question companions in DA:I.
Then theres the Titans, the source of Lyrium, now I'm guessing it was the war between the Titans and the Evanuris, that Solas refers to, as being the point at which the Evanuris went from being, mage-kings to Gods in the eyes of the elvhenan. The already powerful Evanuris, magical powers bolstered by lyrium, in a pre-veil world, would have made them supremely powerful beings. But the Evanuris, discovered something else that, could destroy the world. I'm guessing that is the blight or red lyrium. Perhaps the result of killing Titans, who knows. So many unanswered questions.
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Post by Nyx on Feb 9, 2017 2:33:46 GMT
Solas too is pretty hell bent on not seeing the Old Gods destroyed, he clearly fears the blight and it's power but no the Old Gods themselves. When the Grey Wardens seek to destroy the old gods in a pre-emptive attack to negate future blights, in DA:I Solas gets as worked up as I've seen him. I assumed at first, that this was due in part to the fact, that without the call of the old goods, the blight might never end, that Solas could see a blight without direction that would consume the world. But someone on another forum made mention, that perhaps, the old gods have some connection with the banished Evanuris. Now it's a thought we've all had, but the more I see of the story the more compelling the idea is becoming. Are the old gods, dragons to whom either the Evanuris of the Forgotten ones, have been bound to? Are they seprate and distinct? Or one and the same. I could imagine the Evanuris, trapped, whispering to early humans and teaching them of magic and becoming the Old Gods of early Tevinter. Flemeth/Mythal certainly seek to recover their souls (though for what purpose?) and Solas would seem to wish to preserve them. I really wish we had the option to actually question companions in DA:I. Then theres the Titans, the source of Lyrium, now I'm guessing it was the war between the Titans and the Evanuris, that Solas refers to, as being the point at which the Evanuris went from being, mage-kings to Gods in the eyes of the elvhenan. The already powerful Evanuris, magical powers bolstered by lyrium, in a pre-veil world, would have made them supremely powerful beings. But the Evanuris, discovered something else that, could destroy the world. I'm guessing that is the blight or red lyrium. Perhaps the result of killing Titans, who knows. So many unanswered questions. I think this is the most compelling theory. I think the Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones. The Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones were trapped in their respective realms. What if when the Veil came down the Evanuris were trapped in the Golden City in the Fade and the Forgotten Ones were trapped deep beneath the ground, below even the Deep Roads? Where are the Old Gods? Below the Deep Roads. And from what we've read it seems like the Forgotten Ones opposed the Evanuris and wanted to overthrow them. It would make sense for them to whisper to early humans to break into the Fade, into the Golden City where the Evanuris were trapped, but something happened there. The Blight became a thing, and it could corrupt even the Old Gods aka the Forgotten Ones. I think it's entirely likely the Evanuris brought about the Blight in some way, especially since Solas acts as if he knows way more about it than anyone else. So yeah basically I think the Old Gods, Forgotten Ones, Evanuris, and the Blight are all intertwined somehow, but we just don't know the specifics. I'm definitely interested in seeing and learning more of the Old Gods but not necessarily the Ancient Magisters.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Feb 9, 2017 4:58:41 GMT
Solas too is pretty hell bent on not seeing the Old Gods destroyed, he clearly fears the blight and it's power but no the Old Gods themselves. Of course Solas doesn't wish those things dead he can literally eat them to increase his powers,he prefer for them to be in his belly.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 9, 2017 5:06:47 GMT
Re: Solas and the "old gods"...I think it's interesting that in banter with Blackwall, he's kind of...patronizing about the Grey Wardens succeeding. I suppose it's because he knows he's going to kill them all before it's an issue. He's sort of arrogantly rolling his eyes at the idea in his head, while allowing Blackwall to cling to the comfort that a dream of victory will bring. But then after Here Lies the Abyss, he is legitimately horrified and angry by what the Grey Wardens were planning. The most intriguing part of this, though, seemed to be that he was afraid they actually could have succeeded.
Of course, knowing what we know now about him, I almost sort of wonder if something that makes him so upset wouldn't actually be a good idea after all.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Feb 9, 2017 5:13:34 GMT
Re: Solas and the "old gods"...I think it's interesting that in banter with Blackwall, he's kind of...patronizing about the Grey Wardens succeeding. I suppose it's because he knows he's going to kill them all before it's an issue. He's sort of arrogantly rolling his eyes at the idea in his head, while allowing Blackwall to cling to the comfort that a dream of victory will bring. But then after Here Lies the Abyss, he is legitimately horrified and angry by what the Grey Wardens were planning. The most intriguing part of this, though, seemed to be that he was afraid they actually could have succeeded. Of course, knowing what we know now about him, I almost sort of wonder if something that makes him so upset wouldn't actually be a good idea after all. he wasn't angry because of the false gods,he was angry because the GW wanted to create an army of demons,which means that many spirits(the people of Solas)would have been twisted.Spirits for Solas are more important than anything they are like brothers to him.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 9, 2017 5:15:49 GMT
he wasn't angry because of the false gods,he was angry because the GW wanted to create an army of demons,which means that many spirits(the people of Solas)would have been twisted. You can bring that up to him and he specifically denies it. Granted, Solas lies a lot, but he was kind of wearing his heart on his sleeve in that scene, I think catching him in a lie at that point would've flustered him like it did after WEWH.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Feb 9, 2017 5:20:58 GMT
he wasn't angry because of the false gods,he was angry because the GW wanted to create an army of demons,which means that many spirits(the people of Solas)would have been twisted. You can bring that up to him and he specifically denies it. Granted, Solas lies a lot, but he was kind of wearing his heart on his sleeve in that scene, I think catching him in a lie at that point would've flustered him like it did after WEWH. If he denies that than he was just Lying,unless killing old gods means create Archdemons.
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Post by shroomofdoom on Feb 10, 2017 18:48:21 GMT
You can bring that up to him and he specifically denies it. Granted, Solas lies a lot, but he was kind of wearing his heart on his sleeve in that scene, I think catching him in a lie at that point would've flustered him like it did after WEWH. If he denies that than he was just Lying,unless killing old gods means create Archdemons. Solas deceptions and lies are primarily lies of omission, rather than outright attempts to mislead. I honestly believe him when he refutes the assumption that his concern is only for the spirits that would be twisted into demons. Solas, imo atleast, is concerned about the old gods and their possible annihilation. He clearly states that the GW completely misunderstand, what the blight is and what relation it has to the Old gods. It put me in mind of someone who has a more intimate knowledge, trying desperately to dissuade less informed people from making a massive error in judgement, while not giving away that he possess knowledge that he shouldn't (for who and what he claims to be) Theres no way to prove definitively that the Old Gods and either the Evanuris or Forgotten ones, are one and same. All we can do is speculate, but there are alot of parallels between them and of all the characters we've met thus far, Solas and Mythal are the most informed and smack bang in the middle of events. I think the links will bear out some connection, what shape it will take will depend on the writers I guess. I still think the blight might be related to the Titans, rather than the old gods. And therefore less linked to the magisters or Tevinter than the chantry would have people believe.
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