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Post by vertigomez on Jul 3, 2018 20:32:26 GMT
With the new comic.... Tevinter is closer than ever. :exicted:
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Post by Catilina on Jul 3, 2018 23:58:15 GMT
With the new comic.... Tevinter is closer than ever. :exicted: WOW! More corruption, slavery, abominations, human sacrifice!
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Post by vertigomez on Jul 4, 2018 0:50:58 GMT
With the new comic.... Tevinter is closer than ever. WOW! More corruption, slavery, abominations, human sacrifice!
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Post by warden on Jul 4, 2018 1:25:51 GMT
With the new comic.... Tevinter is closer than ever. WOW! More corruption, slavery, abominations, human sacrifice! And more mage slaughters. Simply marvelous.
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Post by phoray on Jul 4, 2018 1:53:55 GMT
With the new comic.... Tevinter is closer than ever. :exicted: WOW! More corruption, slavery, abominations, human sacrifice! OMG , catilina, you dog
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Post by vertigomez on Jul 4, 2018 5:42:09 GMT
Lovely cosplay callback to the above artwork.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 4, 2018 8:32:48 GMT
I really want to delve deep into how Tevinter operates, and I hope we get to do something about the slavery and abuses that go on there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 10:43:07 GMT
I really want to delve deep into how Tevinter operates, and I hope we get to do something about the slavery and abuses that go on there. Same. And you know there's a part of me that would like Tevinter to not actually be as bad as everyone thinks. For a lot of the hate to be propoganda and for there to be a little light and goodness somewhere. 'Just because it's different, it doesn't mean it's bad'. <--- That kinda thing.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 4, 2018 17:29:52 GMT
Lovely cosplay callback to the above artwork. Is Vintpunk a thing? I feel like it needs to be a thing.
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Post by phoray on Jul 4, 2018 18:25:12 GMT
vertigomezIf Merril Voluntarily sought out to wear that, then she would really have grown. I'd actually want to romance her, and would be sad only her naive younger self was available.
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Post by vertigomez on Jul 4, 2018 18:36:00 GMT
vertigomez If Merril Voluntarily sought out to wear that, then she would really have grown. I'd actually want to romance her, and would be sad only her naive younger self was available. LOL. Alas I think high society Tevinter Merrill is a bit of a pipe dream, but it's fun nonetheless. Like thinking about First Enchanter Hawke.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 4, 2018 18:49:20 GMT
If Merril Voluntarily sought out to wear that, then she would really have grown. I'd actually want to romance her, and would be sad only her naive younger self was available. It would also be cool to see some members of the Dalish electing to co-opt the fashion of Tevinter nobles, both to mock them and serve as a symbol that Elves are inferior to no-one.
Also the satisfaction in knowing that a Tevinter lord will be infuriated to learn some "vagabond Elf" has ruined forever his favourite duds.
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Post by phoray on Jul 4, 2018 19:02:07 GMT
Hanako Ikezawatook me a moment to understand your gif. I don't hate DA2 Merril, I just find her portrayed obliviousness to be pushed too far for the sake of attempting to make her the "adorable little blood mage." My opinion of her is far higher than that. I think she's passionate, dedicated, stubborn, and massively intelligent but you rarely get to see this side of her and I think that's a shame. An older Merril who wasn't pushed towards her silly side for a laugh sounds really attractive to me.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 5, 2018 0:06:27 GMT
I really want to delve deep into how Tevinter operates, and I hope we get to do something about the slavery and abuses that go on there. Same. And you know there's a part of me that would like Tevinter to not actually be as bad as everyone thinks. For a lot of the hate to be propoganda and for there to be a little light and goodness somewhere. 'Just because it's different, it doesn't mean it's bad'. <--- That kinda thing. I think similar to Orlais, at least can't much worse...
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Post by Sifr on Jul 11, 2018 11:52:26 GMT
Same. And you know there's a part of me that would like Tevinter to not actually be as bad as everyone thinks. For a lot of the hate to be propoganda and for there to be a little light and goodness somewhere. 'Just because it's different, it doesn't mean it's bad'. <--- That kinda thing. I think similar to Orlais, at least can't much worse... Here we have a nation of wealth and opulence, where the nobles plot and scheme to advance in rank and prestige. It is the home of a branch of the Chantry with it's own Divine, which has taken part in Exalted Marches against the Qunari. This nation also conquered the Elves, took their former territory and subjugated their people to serve as their empire's disposable workforce.
Is this nation meant to be Tevinter or is it Orlais?
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Post by Sifr on Jul 11, 2018 11:59:14 GMT
With the new comic.... Tevinter is closer than ever. WOW! More corruption, slavery, abominations, human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2018 14:35:18 GMT
Here we have a nation of wealth and opulence, where the nobles plot and scheme to advance in rank and prestige. It is the home of a branch of the Chantry with it's own Divine, which has taken part in Exalted Marches against the Qunari. This nation also conquered the Elves, took their former territory and subjugated their people to serve as their empire's disposable workforce.
Is this nation meant to be Tevinter or is it Orlais? Well you could argue that Orlais took its inspiration from Tevinter. After all Drakon was the grandson of a Tevinter Altus, his father heading south to make his fortune when he discovered he didn't have any magical ability. Whilst apparently the tribes of the Cirianne already had their version of the game up and running (allegedly), it was Drakon's version of Andrastrianism that became the dominant one in the south. Having a state religion definitely came from Tevinter, as did having empire building aspirations supposedly endorsed by the patron deity. Even the attitude to magic that Drakon had was more than likely cribbed from Tevinter of that time. Hessarian had re-purposed the Old God temples as Circles of Magi long before the establishment of the Chantry in the south. He made them places of learning where mages would be prepared for a life of public service whilst he allowed Soporati to be admitted to the clergy for the first time in Tevinter's history. Hessarian was a hero of the common people (Soporati) because of the greater advancement they achieved under him, made easier by the fact that many of the ruling mages had been purged by him for refusing to give up their gods. Initially Drakon only prohibited mages from being rulers themselves but they were still allowed to serve the ruling class out in the community so long as they confined their magic to peaceful uses. Those wishing to experiment more with magic were the ones who originally agreed to segregating themselves in Circles where the Templars could monitor them in case things got out of hand. The very fact that the Tevinter clergy went out of their way to be recognised by the southern Chantry would suggest at that time the outlook on many issues, including magic, could not have been that far apart. It was only later that the Altus in Tevinter managed to worm their way back into the top positions in the state religion that the divergence began but the groundwork by Drakon had ensured the two main powers in Thedas at that time were not so very different from one another. I've always argued that what the Tevinter Altus do with blood magic, the Orlesian nobility do with bards and poison. Both sets of nobility ruthlessly scheme against one another and regard the lower classes as expendable in their power play.
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Post by theascendent on Jul 11, 2018 17:15:12 GMT
Which social class would you prefer the Mage PC to be in, provided they are a native of Tevinter, it's easier to care about a place when you are from there I feel. I think a Laetan would be interesting. You are a noble, but will have to deal with opposition from more conservative nobles, so have to balance it out so you get as many advantages as disadvantages to encourage different playrhroughs.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 11, 2018 21:22:38 GMT
Which social class would you prefer the Mage PC to be in, provided they are a native of Tevinter, it's easier to care about a place when you are from their I feel. I think a Laetan would be interesting. You are a noble, but will have to deal with opposition from more conservative nobles, so have to balance it out so you get as many advantages as disadvantages to encourage different playrhroughs. A Liberati might also offer some fun roleplaying opportunities.
Your Mage PC may have been born into slavery, but were emancipated upon coming into their magic and sent to the Circle of Magi at a young age. This would lead your character to question whether you were freed out of charity or because your master couldn't be bothered with training a mage slave themselves... something you could even confront them over, if they were to appear?
Being a Liberati would allow you to have a broad range of feelings on slavery within the Imperium, whether it's part of your history you resent or instead try to forget? Do you wish to help those still in bondage or do you only care about your own freedom?
Despite being a mage in Tevinter, the Altus and the Laetans both would look down on you and you unlike them, you're prevented from joining the military or serving in any government capacity. That would give a Liberati mage protagonist a lot of motivation to push back against or try to overturn the societal restrictions upon them.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 12, 2018 4:33:38 GMT
The problem with playing a Tevinter native, though, is finding ways to infodump players on stuff about Tevinter wihtout it seeming too contrived.
I mean, remember the complaints about Morrigan in DAI instructing the Dalish Inquisitor about elven lore?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 12, 2018 4:40:07 GMT
The problem with playing a Tevinter native, though, is finding ways to infodump players on stuff about Tevinter wihtout it seeming too contrived. I mean, remember the complaints about Morrigan in DAI instructing the Dalish Inquisitor about elven lore? Meh, they did it just fine in all of the DAO origins. Your Aeducan can ask what a noble hunter is, and so forth. As long as such options are just that, optional, their mere existence shouldn't be an offense. (And considering the amount of people who object to the "Who is Mythal?" optional star dialogue, those people definitely exist.) I'm in full agreement about auto-dialogue, though.
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 13, 2018 18:52:37 GMT
The problem with playing a Tevinter native, though, is finding ways to infodump players on stuff about Tevinter wihtout it seeming too contrived. I mean, remember the complaints about Morrigan in DAI instructing the Dalish Inquisitor about elven lore? Meh, they did it just fine in all of the DAO origins. Your Aeducan can ask what a noble hunter is, and so forth. As long as such options are just that, optional, their mere existence shouldn't be an offense. (And considering the amount of people who object to the "Who is Mythal?" optional star dialogue, those people definitely exist.) I'm in full agreement about auto-dialogue, though. I think Bioware should take lessons from Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity and Tyranny games, where players could highlight specific lore dialogue that their character should already know about. Once highlighted, a mini Codex entry appears explaining the person, place, history, etc.
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Post by Fredward on Jul 13, 2018 19:09:54 GMT
The way Obsidian handles it works well yeah but that's not gonna work in a game that doesn't require/use text boxes. Although I suppose they could just add a glossary in addition to the codex and once something is mentioned you should be familiar with you can just go check it out. Would have to work during dialogue though, preferably.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 16, 2018 19:54:01 GMT
The problem with playing a Tevinter native, though, is finding ways to infodump players on stuff about Tevinter wihtout it seeming too contrived. I think the best way to do this is to have a more clueless character along for the ride. If one of your early companions is not from Tevinter, or is a lower class person having to operate in high society, having them ask the "obvious" questions lets your character off the hook while still giving new players the expository info they need to understand the game.
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Post by Walter Black on Aug 16, 2018 21:07:21 GMT
The problem with playing a Tevinter native, though, is finding ways to infodump players on stuff about Tevinter wihtout it seeming too contrived. I think the best way to do this is to have a more clueless character along for the ride. If one of your early companions is not from Tevinter, or is a lower class person having to operate in high society, having them ask the "obvious" questions lets your character off the hook while still giving new players the expository info they need to understand the game. Origins allowed our characters to explain history and culture to children, commoners and foreigners. Or just troll them .
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