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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 22:39:50 GMT
I've made a human male Inquisitor who I intend for a Dorian romance. My history for him is that he was pushed into marrying a woman by his family to give them an heir, but he has always known he was gay. Feeling trapped by them and having a strong sense of duty he never acted upon it, and tried to like women to please everyone. Now he's the Inquisitor and free from the Trevelyans he can finally be himself, and I was wondering if a dalliance with Iron Bull would work out before a Dorian romance. I thought an affair with Bull would help him come to terms with his sexuality before the Dorian thing takes off.
Is it possible? And if so are there any pitfalls like sleeping with Bull asap then dumping him super quick for example. I'm not sure if there's a cut off point for the DAI romances, after which point they won't activate.
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Post by procutemeister on Jan 28, 2017 1:20:00 GMT
AFAIK the cut-off point for the romances is the Temple of Mythal. If you haven't started one by then or completed romance related sidequests you won't be able to complete it. I could be wrong, though--this is just through hearsay, I haven't tried it out.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 28, 2017 16:09:29 GMT
I have not experimented with this sort of thing myself but this is what I have gathered from reading the boards. With every romance (bar Solas) I believe it is possible to sleep with them and then break it off. It is during the conversation post sex that you are given the opportunity to back out of it (the broken heart option). Otherwise you get locked into that romance (at least that is the case with Cassandra). With some people you have to make the decision before sex. With some romances (Dorian is one of them) you can even say you want to continue the relationship and then break it off later.
What you cannot do is have two romances going at the same time. You can flirt with as many people as you like but you cannot be bedding one person at the same time as another. The second person will require you to break it off with the first before they will agree to sleep with you.
There are certain points in the game where you need to be in a romance before experiencing certain dialogue, so you may miss out on them if you leave it too late. You need to have made your decision before the Temple of Mythal as that is a cut off point for certain actions including starting a new romance (with one possible exception that does not involve either Iron Bull or Dorian)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 17:15:28 GMT
I have not experimented with this sort of thing myself but this is what I have gathered from reading the boards. <snip>
Thank you. Hopefully if I sleep with him real quick then break it off it'll all work out.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 29, 2017 15:13:42 GMT
Keep in mind that Dorian does have special romance dialogue after Adamant, and also that you can dance with him at the Winter Palace. If you want either of those things, you need to do the lock-in with Dorian before you head off on those missions. It's doable, but it will certainly feel like you're front loading the game with a lot of stuff if you sleep with Bull and then proceed with the Dorian romance in that time span.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:01:25 GMT
Keep in mind that Dorian does have special romance dialogue after Adamant, and also that you can dance with him at the Winter Palace. If you want either of those things, you need to do the lock-in with Dorian before you head off on those missions. It's doable, but it will certainly feel like you're front loading the game with a lot of stuff if you sleep with Bull and then proceed with the Dorian romance in that time span. Oooh okay then, good to know.
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Post by phoray on Jan 29, 2017 17:29:26 GMT
I role-played a character who wanted to have a one-night stand with Iron Bull, but was not interested in actually romancing Iron Bull. Once I arrived at Sky hold, I focused on Iron Bull entirely. Did the horse race, chatted him up. I end up getting the Chargers scene pretty quick. He fights the assassin. I tell him he is still a good man even if he is no longer a Qunari. Next thing I know he shows up in my room asking me if I want a ride. I go for it. Then I go talk to him again. He shows up in my room, and gives me his speech about BDSM. I declined. Proceeded to go talk to Blackwall, and started his romance on the ramparts. I go kill a dragon with Bull and we share a drink, confirming no hard feelings then finished the game with Tom Rainier. Gave very good role playing opportunities. After riding the Bull, and doing one other thing, my character had an awakening to her responsibilities. I played mostly responsibly for the rest of the game, if a bit cheeky at times. She was a young anti-noble noble who thought of herself as a badass merc. ( She totally wasn't)
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Post by phoray on Jan 29, 2017 17:51:50 GMT
additionally, concerning other romances to jump on to after the one night stand with Iron Bull, I just make sure I talk to no one after reaching sky hold except for Iron Bull. As I stated above.
you can freely flirt with anyone pre sky hold, but after sky hold there area starting points that are hard locks. The hard lock for Blackwall is the rampart talk. The hard lock for Cullen seems to be his chess playing scene. Cassandra's romance starting is very obvious, she pulls out aside to have -the talk- I'm not certain about Dorian. I think his personal quest with his dad? But staying clear of all till after the one night stand seems best. It doesn't take that long, as I showed steps above, didn't even have to kill a Dragon to ride The Bull.
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Post by phoray on Jan 29, 2017 18:02:37 GMT
It's doable, but it will certainly feel like you're front loading the game with a lot of stuff if you sleep with Bull and then proceed with the Dorian romance in that time span. I disagree. It was supremely easy and quick for me. Didn't even need to kill a dragon. Done way before either Adamant or Winter Palace. Done before I even net Hawke in Crestwood.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2017 19:49:39 GMT
It's doable, but it will certainly feel like you're front loading the game with a lot of stuff if you sleep with Bull and then proceed with the Dorian romance in that time span. I disagree. It was supremely easy and quick for me. Didn't even need to kill a dragon. Done way before either Adamant or Winter Palace. Done before I even net Hawke in Crestwood. Maybe you could share what major decisions you made regarding Bull's approval? I always have a hard time getting him to come visit me in my bedroom because it takes forever to get his approval up.
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Post by opuspace on Jan 29, 2017 20:26:42 GMT
I disagree. It was supremely easy and quick for me. Didn't even need to kill a dragon. Done way before either Adamant or Winter Palace. Done before I even net Hawke in Crestwood. Maybe you could share what major decisions you made regarding Bull's approval? I always have a hard time getting him to come visit me in my bedroom because it takes forever to get his approval up. I know conscript the Mages or ally with the Templars will get greatly approves. The Templar route also provides Venatori enemies that will get you slightly approves from Bull every time you kill them. Showing an open mind to discussions on the Qun in the lower left corner of dialogue wheels will earn approval.
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Post by phoray on Jan 29, 2017 20:42:44 GMT
Ah, yes. She conscripted the Mages- she was leery of magic but disliked Templar attitude.. I recruited Bull before IHW. Killed Venatori enemies for Dorian---- maybe. Don't think she was "open to the qun" by any means, but she wasn't mean about it. Saved the Chargers. Alex got to study and Avaar to Tevinter. Oh yeah, the horse race. Used all the flirts.
That was all it took, pretty sure. Unless I'm forgetting another point giving quest that's right there at the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 21:42:22 GMT
phoray Thank you for all the info. Looks like I've shot myself in the foot, I'll try what you said and only focus on him when I get to Skyhold but I allied with the mages. I've done the horse race with Bull around and got approval from him there, but took a big hit with the mages...might not be doable. I'll give it a try though, I like the idea that my IQ's homosexuality is awakened by riding the bull. Plus I love Bull so you know, any excuse.
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Post by phoray on Jan 29, 2017 21:49:32 GMT
phoray Thank you for all the info. Looks like I've shot myself in the foot, I'll try what you said and only focus on him when I get to Skyhold but I allied with the mages. I've done the horse race with Bull around and got approval from him there, but took a big hit with the mages...might not be doable. I'll give it a try though, I like the idea that my IQ's homosexuality is awakened by riding the bull. Plus I love Bull so you know, any excuse. I think Dorian locks in at his dad quest. Can you talk to him enough to get Ventaori murder quests and take Bull with?
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Post by phoray on Jan 29, 2017 21:57:56 GMT
Completing "Farmland Security" (Redcliffe Farms) with Iron Bull in the active party Gets Approves- didn't know that.
Also, killing the Venatri, Dragons, or Giants not on the storm coast.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 23:06:24 GMT
phoray Thank you for all the info. Looks like I've shot myself in the foot, I'll try what you said and only focus on him when I get to Skyhold but I allied with the mages. I've done the horse race with Bull around and got approval from him there, but took a big hit with the mages...might not be doable. I'll give it a try though, I like the idea that my IQ's homosexuality is awakened by riding the bull. Plus I love Bull so you know, any excuse. I think Dorian locks in at his dad quest. Can you talk to him enough to get Ventaori murder quests and take Bull with? I'll let you know once I'm at Skyhold, I only just finished IHW.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 30, 2017 21:23:29 GMT
Killing the Hinterland dragon always gave me enough approval to move on the chargers party scene and from that to the 'Demands of the Qun' quest - and I usually make the mages allies. Having Bull with you during the whole Master of Horses, Farmland Security and Trouble with Wolves quests helped too. He approved a lot there.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 30, 2017 23:03:12 GMT
I got a lot of IB approvals in the present PT since he's in the party for the first time. I noticed either he or Solas is the one to respond / comment the most. It used to be Cass or Varric or Dorian. Now Cass is mostly quiet. While interesting, the idea of playing / toying around with IB before moving to another who is the intended romance is revolting to me. But that's just me.
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Post by phoray on Jan 30, 2017 23:09:46 GMT
While interesting, the idea of playing / toying around with IB before moving to another who is the intended romance is revolting to me. But that's just me. Why? With Iron Bull, as far as I can tell, you practically have to force him to go the romantic route. His default is to sex it up and blow off steam, enjoy each other for a night or several. And you can even have a very up front discussion with him about what continuing would look like; and when he describes it as a full blown BDSM setup where he's always the top and always master, you have a right to back off and call off any further fun. I'm not using him any more than he used me when my Trevelyan slept with him. I said he was a good man in spite of being Vashoth and made a couple of passes. He showed up in MY room. It was all very consensual, but she didn't want to be anyone's submissive.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 30, 2017 23:46:17 GMT
While interesting, the idea of playing / toying around with IB before moving to another who is the intended romance is revolting to me. But that's just me. Why? With Iron Bull, as far as I can tell, you practically have to force him to go the romantic route. His default is to sex it up and blow off steam, enjoy each other for a night or several. And you can even have a very up front discussion with him about what continuing would look like; and when he describes it as a full blown BDSM setup where he's always the top and always master, you have a right to back off and call off any further fun. I'm not using him any more than he used me when my Trevelyan slept with him. I said he was a good man in spite of being Vashoth and made a couple of passes. He showed up in MY room. It was all very consensual, but she didn't want to be anyone's submissive. I did say it's just me. Remember I once said I want to play off Solas vs Cullen? It never happened because I couldn't do it. It's just a game, have fun because nothing is real, most would say. Even though the game chars are not real, they're well written and I find myself treating them as real people. I found I can't play pretend even in unreal relationships, have fun in one night stands, play around, etc.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Feb 6, 2017 4:32:10 GMT
Pretty much, nothing's final until after THE WELL, right? I've got a horndog inq who already dumped Josie, messed with Blackball's feelings, and will bone IB til the cows come up to wrap it up.
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Post by phoray on Feb 6, 2017 4:41:57 GMT
Pretty much, nothing's final until after THE WELL, right? I've got a horndog inq who already dumped Josie, messed with Blackball's feelings, and will bone IB til the cows come up to wrap it up. Nah- I think the only breakup points post well are Solas and Sera. Unless you just waited till later on scenes for the rest of them. But Blackwall won't resolve and free you until his judgement, and he's post Winter/Adamant.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Feb 6, 2017 4:48:26 GMT
Pretty much, nothing's final until after THE WELL, right? I've got a horndog inq who already dumped Josie, messed with Blackball's feelings, and will bone IB til the cows come up to wrap it up. Nah- I think the only breakup points post well are Solas and Sera. Unless you just waited till later on scenes for the rest of them. But Blackwall won't resolve and free you until his judgement, and he's post Winter/Adamant. My Reaver follows BroShep's personal motto, "We'll bang okay?" I just meant that if you hadn't selected a bed buddy yet, THE WELL is "you're doing to the Coryphyshit dance" stag, bro.
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Post by phoray on Feb 6, 2017 4:52:57 GMT
ooooo. So you can break up post well but you can't START post well.
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Post by phoray on Feb 22, 2017 8:57:23 GMT
So how did it turn out?
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