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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 24, 2017 11:39:31 GMT
I had 13 hours of sleep and now I can't think of anything but the fact that devs themselves probably can't understand their code. Or it's the wrong build (which would be very funny). I mean, Kallo's concave ass (and him not wanting to sit down) is still in game, despite them saying they fixed it. Ten out of ten, Bioware, are you even trying. Good morning, everyone. Morning friend.
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Post by ash on Mar 24, 2017 11:47:29 GMT
At one point I was wondering if I would have to choose between Jaal and Kallo with my male!Ryder.. Once again I got my hopes too up Look at his butt. He probably sits too much and will never love anybody but his ship (if you buy him a chair which won't make his ass go like that, tho...).
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 24, 2017 11:48:35 GMT
At one point I was wondering if I would have to choose between Jaal and Kallo with my male!Ryder.. Once again I got my hopes too up Yeah, I remember actually being excited and thinking about who I should romance on the Tempest. Me earlier: "Jaal's gonna have some competition if Drack's an option." "Kallo and I could be so cute together" Fuck me for hoping right?
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Post by ash on Mar 24, 2017 11:56:44 GMT
Also, about Reyes and his scenes... Remnant background sounds (which you hear when walk in remnant locations) are Reaper sounds from ME2-3. I'm not joking, they are literally same, I checked. If they haven't bothered to record something new in a terms of a freaking RACE, why should they bother recording something new for one dialogue.
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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 24, 2017 12:04:48 GMT
Dear Team ME,
If you truly want to "do better" in the future, here's the solution:
Take all that effort you put forth with straight romances and apply it to the gay ones, too.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 24, 2017 12:06:22 GMT
Kallo could've been such a unique and cool romance. Non sexual, available to both genders, and the romance is more emotional and less physical.
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Post by naychan on Mar 24, 2017 12:08:55 GMT
Team knows about Reyes? Or he's ghost and only I can see him? I'm in love with Jaal, and I'm flirting with Reyes and Jaal always go with me in mission cuz I love him. So why he's ignore my flirt with Reyes and why I can flirt if I'm in love Jaal? Wth. Where is my jealousy scene like Fenris in DA2.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 24, 2017 12:12:56 GMT
Team knows about Reyes? Or he's ghost and only I can see him? I'm in love with Jaal, and I'm flirting with Reyes and Jaal always go with me in mission cuz I love him. So why he's ignore my flirt with Reyes and why I can flirt if I'm in love Jaal? Wth. Where is my jealousy scene like Fenris in DA2. Because all traces of anything m/m have been eradicated from Jaal. Not even a flirt and rejection like Liam, nothing.
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Post by ash on Mar 24, 2017 12:15:14 GMT
Team knows about Reyes? Or he's ghost and only I can see him? I'm in love with Jaal, and I'm flirting with Reyes and Jaal always go with me in mission cuz I love him. So why he's ignore my flirt with Reyes and why I can flirt if I'm in love Jaal? Wth. Where is my jealousy scene like Fenris in DA2. At this point I can assume that Reyes really won't count as a romance option. I mean, he had no checks at all, even for active romance and... Same situation with Vetra judging from what one of my friends said - they don't notice each other. Maybe same thing with Cora, Peebee and Liam, well, everybody? Edit: point still stands even if you're playing as Scott - Reyes + Vetra in romance ignore each other as well as Reyes + Gil in romance.
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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 24, 2017 12:57:26 GMT
Really, though, the more I sit and think about it...I don't know what else I should've expected from a series whose promotional rep once said that there was no LGBT content in ME because Shepard is straight.
...the main protagonist who had been billed up, down, sideways, and diagonally as a completely player-malleable character supposedly has a set orientation and that's why NO HOMO.
Ugh. The sheer stupidity of that comment still blows my mind.
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Post by Panda on Mar 24, 2017 13:07:40 GMT
Kallo could've been such a unique and cool romance. Non sexual, available to both genders, and the romance is more emotional and less physical. It would have been adorable WHOOP 1k post. Am I N4 yet? EDIT: Yep was right, 1k was the marker.
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Post by Ianamus on Mar 24, 2017 13:09:02 GMT
Yep I guess makejaalbi brings bit package with it. People being against changing one's sexuality, people thinking people are just upset about jaal etc. Jaal being bi would probably be easiest fix of the situation, since code is already existing and who knows how much of dialogue. Some pointed out that bringing new squadmate to base game would be problem since apparently Kasumi and Zaeed were coded in since the start so including them with DLC's was easy, but someone completely fresh might be hard to pull of technically? I wonder if this situation will get any kind of fixes. Maybe they could at least patch in animation fixes for Reyes romance, maybe add some better scenes with Gil. And then leave other m/m romances in story DLCs? :/ I don't see why adding a new squadmate would be that difficult technically. They said that they originally planned to have seven but one was cut, so I'd imagine the code was, at least at one point, written to function with seven squadmates. And any coder who knows what their doing writes stuff to be 'future proof'- so that It's as easy as possible to add stuff down the line. My boss harps on about it constantly! Obviously changing Jaal would be the easiest "fix", but I would prefer having no m/m squadmate or alien to them changing Jaal. That's how much I'm against it. Stuff like the Vetra line if you romance Reyes should definitely be patched, that looks like a legitimate bug or oversight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 13:12:22 GMT
Really, though, the more I sit and think about it...I don't know what else I should've expected from a series whose promotional rep once said that there was no LGBT content in ME because Shepard is straight. ...the main protagonist who had been billed up, down, sideways, and diagonally as a completely player-malleable character supposedly has a set orientation and that's why NO HOMO. Ugh. The sheer stupidity of that comment still blows my mind. I've no words. Just gifs.
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Mar 24, 2017 13:18:16 GMT
Oof, the Reyes situation gets worse and worse. There is no doubt that his romance was executed with Sara in mind. He may have been planned for Scott also since the beginning, but when it came down to actually working on and implementing those scenes, Sara's version was definitely given more attention and care. And now the Vetra line where she speaks to a Scott romancing Reyes as if he were female. Not a good look..
It just seems so careless. I can't help but feel as though their thought process was: oh, there aren't that many gay male players, so we shouldn't waste time or effort with Scott's scene. The few gay guys who choose this path won't mind.....
It is getting annoying.
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Post by Panda on Mar 24, 2017 13:21:54 GMT
Really, though, the more I sit and think about it...I don't know what else I should've expected from a series whose promotional rep once said that there was no LGBT content in ME because Shepard is straight. ...the main protagonist who had been billed up, down, sideways, and diagonally as a completely player-malleable character supposedly has a set orientation and that's why NO HOMO. Ugh. The sheer stupidity of that comment still blows my mind. I think it was just excuse that they tried to use to explain why there wasn't any m/m romances in ME1 and ME2. They didn't include those and saw people complaining so that's what they came up with. They were quite easily cornered with that though, fem!shep had f/f romances with Liara in ME1 and with Liara and Kelly in ME2. Apparently they tried even then to go with Asari are monogendered and it's not f/f romance then angle even if Asari are talked about as women multiple times in the game (I actually jsut played Samara's loyality quest and Morinth was referred as "girl like me" from her victim. Couldn't make it stick though when Kelly was brought up, I guess at that point they just had to admit that Shepard wasn't always straight and that their excuse was faulted to begin with. I hope they don't try to offer some half-assed explanations this time.
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Post by justiceway on Mar 24, 2017 13:30:21 GMT
Really, though, the more I sit and think about it...I don't know what else I should've expected from a series whose promotional rep once said that there was no LGBT content in ME because Shepard is straight. ...the main protagonist who had been billed up, down, sideways, and diagonally as a completely player-malleable character supposedly has a set orientation and that's why NO HOMO. Ugh. The sheer stupidity of that comment still blows my mind. I think it was just excuse that they tried to use to explain why there wasn't any m/m romances in ME1 and ME2. They didn't include those and saw people complaining so that's what they came up with. They were quite easily cornered with that though, fem!shep had f/f romances with Liara in ME1 and with Liara and Kelly in ME2. Apparently they tried even then to go with Asari are monogendered and it's not f/f romance then angle even if Asari are talked about as women multiple times in the game (I actually jsut played Samara's loyality quest and Morinth was referred as "girl like me" from her victim. Couldn't make it stick though when Kelly was brought up, I guess at that point they just had to admit that Shepard wasn't always straight and that their excuse was faulted to begin with. I hope they don't try to offer some half-assed explanations this time. I can really only see them fixing this by doing onenof rhe three 1) making jaal bi 2) Giving gil and reyes more content 3) Dlc squadmate with just as much content who is gay/bi I hope bioware has learned from their past and tries not to make a shitty excuse
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 24, 2017 13:34:02 GMT
Saw this pic yesterday on Twitter and thought it would be interesting to share it here. It clearly shows the severe disparity between straight and gay romances throughout the entire franchise, it's quite shocking (at least to me). Sure, they did try to take a step forward on ME3 by adding Kaidan as a Bissexual character and he does stand on equal foot when compared with the rest of the romances available in that game. However, that doesnt happen with Andromeda. By cutting m/m content (and yes, sex scenes included) and then do a half-arsed job with the other m/m option (Reyes), it just illustrates what Bioware thinks of us gay gamers. An afterthought, people who should be happy with scraps that aren't even that polished or animated properly. This quote from Neil Armstrong says it all: "This is one small step for a man, but one giant leap for mankind". What should have happened from ME3 to ME:A - a small step by adding a bi-male character is a good start and then expand on more options in Andromeda (a more giant leap in terms of content). I know the quote iself has a totally different meaning, but it can be easily be applied here to kinda demonstrate the issue at hand. And also, if they really dont know how to approach a M/M romance scene, for example, then just watch a couple vids, take some notes on how it's done and just brainstorm some ideas on how to make it ambiguous (in regards to who's top and bottom) to avoid so many complaints. It's not that hard, I feel like
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Post by Catilina on Mar 24, 2017 13:38:20 GMT
Saw this pic yesterday on Twitter and tought it would be interesting to share it here. It clearly shows the severe disparity between straight and gay romances throughout the entire franchise, it's quite shocking (at least to me). Sure, they did try to take a step forward on ME3 by adding Kaidan as a Bissexual character and he does stand on equal foot when compared with the rest of the romances available in that game. However, that doesnt happen with Andromeda. By cutting m/m content (and yes, sex scenes included) and then do a half-arsed job with the other m/m option (Reyes), it just illustrates what Bioware thinks of us gay gamers. An afterthought, people who should be happy with scraps that aren't even that polished or animated properly. This quote from Neil Armstrong says it all: "This is one small step for a man, but one giant leap for mankind". What should have happened from ME3 to ME:A - a small step by adding a bi-male character is a good start and then expand on more options in Andromeda (a more giant leap in terms of content). I know the quote iself has a totally different meaning, but it can be easily be applied here to kinda demonstrate the issue at hand. And also, if they really dont know how to approach a M/M romance scene, for example, then just watch a couple vids, take some notes on how it's done and just brainstorm some ideas on how to make ambiguous (in regards to who's top and bottom) to avoid so many complaints. It's not that hard, I feel like I'm not even angry. Just make me more and sadder.
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Mar 24, 2017 13:43:35 GMT
Saw this pic yesterday on Twitter and tought it would be interesting to share it here. It clearly shows the severe disparity between straight and gay romances throughout the entire franchise, it's quite shocking (at least to me). Sure, they did try to take a step forward on ME3 by adding Kaidan as a Bissexual character and he does stand on equal foot when compared with the rest of the romances available in that game. However, that doesnt happen with Andromeda. By cutting m/m content (and yes, sex scenes included) and then do a half-arsed job with the other m/m option (Reyes), it just illustrates what Bioware thinks of us gay gamers. An afterthought, people who should be happy with scraps that aren't even that polished or animated properly. This quote from Neil Armstrong says it all: "This is one small step for a man, but one giant leap for mankind". What should have happened from ME3 to ME:A - a small step by adding a bi-male character is a good start and then expand on more options in Andromeda (a more giant leap in terms of content). I know the quote iself has a totally different meaning, but it can be easily be applied here to kinda demonstrate the issue at hand. And also, if they really dont know how to approach a M/M romance scene, for example, then just watch a couple vids, take some notes on how it's done and just brainstorm some ideas on how to make ambiguous (in regards to who's top and bottom) to avoid so many complaints. It's not that hard, I feel like Anyone (everyone) in here with a twitter account should tweet that image to the devs. There are more options each for Straight male Shep in one game (ME2), and Straight male Scott in ME:A, then there are M/M options in the entire Mass effect series up until now. Gay guys pay as much money for a copy of the games as everyone else. Sure, we may not exist in large enough numbers to be "worth it" to commit the same amount of resources to, but still, an effort to be at least a little more fair would go along way. If not in quantity, then in quality. But when half of the 4 M/M options (the bisexual guys) are just hacked up, lesser versions of the female PC's romances, we don't even get quality half the time.
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Post by Panda on Mar 24, 2017 13:55:19 GMT
Saw this pic yesterday on Twitter and tought it would be interesting to share it here. It clearly shows the severe disparity between straight and gay romances throughout the entire franchise, it's quite shocking (at least to me). Sure, they did try to take a step forward on ME3 by adding Kaidan as a Bissexual character and he does stand on equal foot when compared with the rest of the romances available in that game. However, that doesnt happen with Andromeda. By cutting m/m content (and yes, sex scenes included) and then do a half-arsed job with the other m/m option (Reyes), it just illustrates what Bioware thinks of us gay gamers. An afterthought, people who should be happy with scraps that aren't even that polished or animated properly. This quote from Neil Armstrong says it all: "This is one small step for a man, but one giant leap for mankind". What should have happened from ME3 to ME:A - a small step by adding a bi-male character is a good start and then expand on more options in Andromeda (a more giant leap in terms of content). I know the quote iself has a totally different meaning, but it can be easily be applied here to kinda demonstrate the issue at hand. And also, if they really dont know how to approach a M/M romance scene, for example, then just watch a couple vids, take some notes on how it's done and just brainstorm some ideas on how to make ambiguous (in regards to who's top and bottom) to avoid so many complaints. It's not that hard, I feel like I saw ME:A as Mass Effect's chance of do better and maybe seek some redemption. I was actually bit expecting that to happen, like ME3 would be start of them doing better and they would really show it with this game. But I guess they had opposite thoughts than I did.
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Post by Vy on Mar 24, 2017 13:58:13 GMT
Saw this pic yesterday on Twitter and tought it would be interesting to share it here. It clearly shows the severe disparity between straight and gay romances throughout the entire franchise, it's quite shocking (at least to me). Sure, they did try to take a step forward on ME3 by adding Kaidan as a Bissexual character and he does stand on equal foot when compared with the rest of the romances available in that game. However, that doesnt happen with Andromeda. By cutting m/m content (and yes, sex scenes included) and then do a half-arsed job with the other m/m option (Reyes), it just illustrates what Bioware thinks of us gay gamers. An afterthought, people who should be happy with scraps that aren't even that polished or animated properly. This quote from Neil Armstrong says it all: "This is one small step for a man, but one giant leap for mankind". What should have happened from ME3 to ME:A - a small step by adding a bi-male character is a good start and then expand on more options in Andromeda (a more giant leap in terms of content). I know the quote iself has a totally different meaning, but it can be easily be applied here to kinda demonstrate the issue at hand. And also, if they really dont know how to approach a M/M romance scene, for example, then just watch a couple vids, take some notes on how it's done and just brainstorm some ideas on how to make ambiguous (in regards to who's top and bottom) to avoid so many complaints. It's not that hard, I feel like I saw ME:A as Mass Effect's chance of do better and maybe seek some redemption. I was actually bit expecting that to happen, like ME3 would be start of them doing better and they would really show it with this game. But I guess they had opposite thoughts than I did. Yeah, I was telling a friend yesterday that them somehow managing to do worse than a game they released five years ago really failed to impress me.
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Post by adzi on Mar 24, 2017 14:22:38 GMT
After seeing this image I have to say that, as someone that prefer woman, I feel bad for you. For me Gil and Reyes feels like minor npc, the same as this guy Cortez in ME3. (lack of unique face scan, body and non squadmate, lesser contents). Reyes even looks similar to my Ryder (preset 6 lol) its sad because lets be honest the true stars in Mass Effect are the aliens and the fact that you had never experience the feels to have your Alien(s) love interest on the field with you, I dont know what to say... I even thougth (few months before the release)doing a Jaal romance playthrough, as a male because Angara are the star of this game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 14:34:09 GMT
...So, has the Mass Effect team said anything about this yet? Anything new at all? Too soon?
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Post by ash on Mar 24, 2017 14:36:16 GMT
Considering everything - m/m content, bugs, whatever, I can hope for one thing - maybe they somehow lost all backups for their game and had to go for some super-old build? While I can imagine romance situation as "eh, okay, maybe they somehow thought it's ok", I can't think how 6 "open-world" planets (2 of them have less content than Gil's romance - they are literally size of a Nexus map, both combined won't even match any other planet in size and one has no ties to plot at all, only Vetra's loyalty and one fetchquest) can be considered as "huge exploration". Especially when most of the content is driving around in Nomad, not doing thing.
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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 24, 2017 14:36:28 GMT
Really, though, the more I sit and think about it...I don't know what else I should've expected from a series whose promotional rep once said that there was no LGBT content in ME because Shepard is straight. ...the main protagonist who had been billed up, down, sideways, and diagonally as a completely player-malleable character supposedly has a set orientation and that's why NO HOMO. Ugh. The sheer stupidity of that comment still blows my mind. I think it was just excuse that they tried to use to explain why there wasn't any m/m romances in ME1 and ME2. They didn't include those and saw people complaining so that's what they came up with. They were quite easily cornered with that though, fem!shep had f/f romances with Liara in ME1 and with Liara and Kelly in ME2. Apparently they tried even then to go with Asari are monogendered and it's not f/f romance then angle even if Asari are talked about as women multiple times in the game (I actually jsut played Samara's loyality quest and Morinth was referred as "girl like me" from her victim. Couldn't make it stick though when Kelly was brought up, I guess at that point they just had to admit that Shepard wasn't always straight and that their excuse was faulted to begin with. I hope they don't try to offer some half-assed explanations this time. Oh, I'm quite sure that was the case, and that's why it burns me up. It's very telling when they were asked why male Shepard had no homosexual options and their immediate excuse was, "SHEPARD IS STRAIGHT!" The reasons you and I listed as to why that makes no goddamn sense aside...again, that was their go-to answer. Not "We are aware of the orientation unfairness and we plan to do better in the future." like you'd figure any business worth their salt would go about damage control. It was literally "NO HOMO!" It really goes to show just how "valued" we gays actually are to them.
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