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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 17:05:22 GMT
I'm almost afraid to ask. Is there still nothing? I had the worst five hours of sleep because of this disaster and hopped I'd wake up to the "Jaal is straight" firing squad would put me out of my misery, Nope, nothing yet. We will know within the next twelve hours for sure though.
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Post by Kian on Mar 20, 2017 17:05:23 GMT
I don't get the hate for pb's nickname. It's so freaking cute like so cute Yeah, leave PEE alone!!! (we share a very intimate relationship so I can call her just by her first name, while others go for the more formal Peebee)
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 20, 2017 17:05:29 GMT
I'm almost afraid to ask. Is there still nothing? I had the worst five hours of sleep because of this disaster and hopped I'd wake up to the "Jaal is straight" firing squad would put me out of my misery, Nothing yet...
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Post by Lady Artifice on Mar 20, 2017 17:06:16 GMT
I thought it got the lowest critic score than all other mainstream Bioware games? as of right now it is lower than DA2 Yikes.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 17:06:18 GMT
Given that Peebee isn't straight, I'm not getting why she keeps getting this "part of the problem" rhetoric. It's not so much Peebee but the asari in general, how to the devs they don't "count" as LGBT, and the fact that Mac has Quentin Taraninto foot fetish levels of obsession for the asari that it shows in every damn corner of Andromeda. We had this with Liara, her being so prominently shoved into importance across the original trilogy where other characters weren't or forgotten. SO much went into making those Peebee scenes clearly and its troubling that no effort or resources has gone into making sure LGBT get equal treatment like that. Asari are LGBT. At least B, for the L. Plus there is the strong argument the asari have always been catered strongly to the straight male gaze only, and don't actually consider lesbian women's gaze or desires at all when it comes to the asari romances for the most part. Well, firstly, that's not an argument that you, as a man, can make. Secondly, Samantha was more guilty of that; Liara was very well done, all in all, and what romantic content Samara had wasn't sexually charged at all. Ultimately, I don't consider this argument viable. Given that Peebee isn't straight, I'm not getting why she keeps getting this "part of the problem" rhetoric. I think it's because asari, certainly in the original trilogy, were clearly developed with straight men in mind. They provided lesbian representation almost as a side-effect. That's not to diminish the joy lesbians and bi women get from having a woman to romance - not at all. Nor is it to suggest that women shouldn't find those scenes enjoyable. But rather, it's to put their development into context. And I don't blame anyone for their saltiness when we have Mac (I think) saying stuff like, "but who'd want to push her off huehuehue" - perpetuating the idea that bisexual asari are titillating for men. It wasn't a lesbian or bi female dev saying that. So, it's not about f/f content being a problem, but rather m/m content not being treated the same being the problem. I don't think any of us can envisage a situation where an all-male species of hot exotic space dudes would have been created in the place of the asari. That's the problem. Not that there is f/f content. But that there is an imbalance. That there's not enough m/m content, I'll accept. But I'll certainly never accept that there's too much f/f content.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Mar 20, 2017 17:06:23 GMT
I still can't believe the game comes out tomorrow and we don't know if Jaal is bi. I just assumed we'd know by now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:06:57 GMT
To sum up, BioWare are way behind when it comes to other developers who have proven to produce quality current gen games.
I can't tell whether they are going to be able to catch up or not. Either way Andromeda's reception will hurt the game financially. It could still be a big hit. Either way, the scores aren't good.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 17:07:39 GMT
At least it's not a mess anymore. I'd rather have something solid and what makes sense than a mess where I'm questioning which one is the right one. Plus, plot in new games is way better than in the previous ones. And there's a hidden continuity. I would rather have a good fitting & memorable backstory than a tired, unoriginal & boring one that's written with twice as much words You find it boring, many of us don't Seriously, most of the people had a problem with Sam. They called her damsel in distress, but forgot how she actually killed in the game. Not her fault she was "the chosen one" and not rambo-Lara who could get through hordes of crazy males that lived on that damn island. Johna end up a bigger damsel in distress in ROTTR tbh.
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Post by lukensen87 on Mar 20, 2017 17:08:16 GMT
I thought it got the lowest critic score than all other mainstream Bioware games? as of right now it is lower than DA2 I would say that is a really big accomplishment No, not really
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Post by eternalgoddess on Mar 20, 2017 17:08:57 GMT
I like Peebee a lot. Her not giving a fuuuck about banging a Ryder who is seeing someone else and her promise to keep things "discreet" sort of puts me off but I also think it's a refreshingly "human" (forgive meee) flaw for a character to have. My beef with asari has always been that they're just... so... fanservicey. If their concept was a little bit different from the start - being agender, or not looking exactly like blue humans - I suspect I'd be much less grumpy about their everything. Honestly it kinda solves a "WHO AM I GONNA BOINK" dillemma bc you can have a fling with Peebs while you're trying to boink someone else.
...I'd feel bad about it tho. Be worth it if you can have awkward banter with Peebee "about that one time we banged" Who's that with though?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:09:31 GMT
Asari are LGBT. At least B, for the L. Well, firstly, that's not an argument that you, as a man, can make. Secondly, Samantha was more guilty of that; Liara was very well done, all in all, and what romantic content Samara had wasn't sexually charged at all. Ultimately, I don't consider this argument viable. Asari aren't according to multiple developers and even a few voice actors. There lore and origins and gender and LGBT status is such a mess right now, cause like the current romance situation, there has been a whole lot of back and forth. And I know I am a man. I'm not the one making that assessment, but I know several lesbian friends and gamers here who agree that the asari strongly favour the straight male gaze and aren't equal or balanced when taking their considerations into account.
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Post by lukensen87 on Mar 20, 2017 17:10:56 GMT
I'm almost afraid to ask. Is there still nothing? I had the worst five hours of sleep because of this disaster and hopped I'd wake up to the "Jaal is straight" firing squad would put me out of my misery, Come back in like 12 hours, and we will have confirmation that Jaal is 100% straight, I'm sure of it Sorry, but humor is the only thing making me (almost ) sane right now
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Post by jf8350143 on Mar 20, 2017 17:11:31 GMT
I'm almost afraid to ask. Is there still nothing? I had the worst five hours of sleep because of this disaster and hopped I'd wake up to the "Jaal is straight" firing squad would put me out of my misery, Nope, nothing yet. We will know within the next twelve hours for sure though. You sure about that? I was thinking that 12 hours ago and now still nothing.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 17:11:37 GMT
I thought it got the lowest critic score than all other mainstream Bioware games? as of right now it is lower than DA2 Goddamn. That's a feat. And DA2 probably cost 1/5th to make.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 17:11:47 GMT
as of right now it is lower than DA2 Yikes. currently from Metacritic Mass Effect: Andromeda PS4: 75% PC: 78% Xbox One: 77% Dragon Age 2 PS3: 82% PC: 82% Xbox 360: 79%
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 17:11:59 GMT
I like Peebee a lot. Her not giving a fuuuck about banging a Ryder who is seeing someone else and her promise to keep things "discreet" sort of puts me off but I also think it's a refreshingly "human" (forgive meee) flaw for a character to have. My beef with asari has always been that they're just... so... fanservicey. If their concept was a little bit different from the start - being agender, or not looking exactly like blue humans - I suspect I'd be much less grumpy about their everything. Asari are only fanservicey conceptually. The important characters have always been done well. Also, since Cora seems personally unpleasant (just like Ashley and Miranda; what's up with ME's love of female squad leads who swing nasty?), Vetra is a lizard with incompatible chirality, and Suvi won't have enough content (not to mention that I actually don't find her accent that sexy), I'm very glad to have Peebee around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:12:04 GMT
Hi everyone -- my brother came through. So that's TWO of my friends/family that provided accurate information for us. I'm a lucky guy to have such reliable sources and now I owe them both dinner/drinks on all of us. Here are the pics from the Prima Guide. I've been sitting on this a few minutes because I almost didn't share it in fear of what it will do to this place. But I decided it's better to share now since it's all going to be known in a few hours anyway, right. A big word of warning: Remember that this has been incorrect in the past, so it's still not 100% confirmed until we see it in the game itself.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 17:12:17 GMT
I thought it got the lowest critic score than all other mainstream Bioware games? Context is important. We are in a very different gaming environment to when the original trilogy came out. Any game coming out where there are RPGs like The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, Breath of the Wild etc. are gunna be placed under more scrutiny, and rightly so. Whatever your opinions may be on the constant mentioning of W3, the game is a great RPG, as are the other two I mentioned. Look at the overall reception to Inquisition differ overtime. When it came out it was critically acclaimed. That overall opinion softened dramatically when Witcher 3 came out. I am probably the minority here since I think W3 is simply uninspiring. I was bored 10 hours into but was determined to finish due to its stellar critical reception. It didn't get better and I regret finishing that game lol. Can't commend on HZD and BOtW since I only play on PC.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:12:22 GMT
I'm sorry but the fact its literally gay men, straight women and lesbian women still waiting for romance option confirmation at this stage is awful.
The NDAs embargoes are up, they could put an end to this anytime they want. The fact that they are refusing is baffling to me.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 17:12:33 GMT
It's not so much Peebee but the asari in general, how to the devs they don't "count" as LGBT, and the fact that Mac has Quentin Taraninto foot fetish levels of obsession for the asari that it shows in every damn corner of Andromeda. We had this with Liara, her being so prominently shoved into importance across the original trilogy where other characters weren't or forgotten. SO much went into making those Peebee scenes clearly and its troubling that no effort or resources has gone into making sure LGBT get equal treatment like that. Asari are LGBT. At least B, for the L. Plus there is the strong argument the asari have always been catered strongly to the straight male gaze only, and don't actually consider lesbian women's gaze or desires at all when it comes to the asari romances for the most part. Well, firstly, that's not an argument that you, as a man, can make. Secondly, Samantha was more guilty of that; Liara was very well done, all in all, and what romantic content Samara had wasn't sexually charged at all. Ultimately, I don't consider this argument viable. I think it's because asari, certainly in the original trilogy, were clearly developed with straight men in mind. They provided lesbian representation almost as a side-effect. That's not to diminish the joy lesbians and bi women get from having a woman to romance - not at all. Nor is it to suggest that women shouldn't find those scenes enjoyable. But rather, it's to put their development into context. And I don't blame anyone for their saltiness when we have Mac (I think) saying stuff like, "but who'd want to push her off huehuehue" - perpetuating the idea that bisexual asari are titillating for men. It wasn't a lesbian or bi female dev saying that. So, it's not about f/f content being a problem, but rather m/m content not being treated the same being the problem. I don't think any of us can envisage a situation where an all-male species of hot exotic space dudes would have been created in the place of the asari. That's the problem. Not that there is f/f content. But that there is an imbalance. That there's not enough m/m content, I'll accept. But I'll certainly never accept that there's too much f/f content. I don't think anyone was saying that there's too much f/f content.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2017 17:13:26 GMT
Hi everyone -- my brother came through. So that's TWO of my friends/family that provided accurate information for us. I'm a lucky guy to have such reliable sources and now I owe them both dinner/drinks on all of us. Here are the pics from the Prima Guide. I've been sitting on this a few minutes because I almost didn't share it in fear of what it will do to this place. But I decided it's better to share now since it's all going to be known in a few hours anyway, right. A big word of warning: Remember that this has been incorrect in the past, so it's still not 100% confirmed until we see it in the game itself. The images aren't working for me. Any word on which romances are nonsexual or not?
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Post by zaefkol on Mar 20, 2017 17:13:30 GMT
I'm almost afraid to ask. Is there still nothing? I had the worst five hours of sleep because of this disaster and hopped I'd wake up to the "Jaal is straight" firing squad would put me out of my misery, I also just got up after five hours of not so great sleep, but for me, the reason was noisy roofers.
Looks like I have a lot of pages to get caught up on while I waste my time wait for actual news.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 17:13:44 GMT
Hi everyone -- my brother came through. So that's TWO of my friends/family that provided accurate information for us. I'm a lucky guy to have such reliable sources and now I owe them both dinner/drinks on all of us. Here are the pics from the Prima Guide. I've been sitting on this a few minutes because I almost didn't share it in fear of what it will do to this place. But I decided it's better to share now since it's all going to be known in a few hours anyway, right. A big word of warning: Remember that this has been incorrect in the past, so it's still not 100% confirmed until we see it in the game itself. Pictures seem to be broken? Is it just me?
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Post by Zero on Mar 20, 2017 17:13:47 GMT
Sooo, suffering still in progress?
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 17:14:04 GMT
Hi everyone -- my brother came through. So that's TWO of my friends/family that provided accurate information for us. I'm a lucky guy to have such reliable sources and now I owe them both dinner/drinks on all of us. Here are the pics from the Prima Guide. I've been sitting on this a few minutes because I almost didn't share it in fear of what it will do to this place. But I decided it's better to share now since it's all going to be known in a few hours anyway, right. A big word of warning: Remember that this has been incorrect in the past, so it's still not 100% confirmed until we see it in the game itself. Could not see them. Could you please summarize?
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