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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 17:40:24 GMT
The game sophistry guy - what's his name on here? He said Jaal was bi, right?
What evidence did he have?
If someone knows his name on here, could they tag him so we can ask for clarification again in view of the Prima guide?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:40:31 GMT
There's no defending bioware for putting in an achievement that is actually impossible for gay men to get. They dont have an excuse.
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Post by ShakespeareInSpace on Mar 20, 2017 17:40:36 GMT
No! I fell asleep, did I miss something bad? The thread jumped like 30 pages. :/
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Post by Panda on Mar 20, 2017 17:40:39 GMT
Auch hope hurts. Besides in terms of devs- they made shitty decision. It's right of players to tell that their product is not good and it has bias. Personal insults, stuff outside of the game and Bioware and threats are out of question, but telling devs that made this decision that it sucks is good thing. There is no change without people making noise.
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 20, 2017 17:40:44 GMT
Yeah so I'm just gonna throw this out there:
I feel for those who didn't get the Jaal m/m romance provided that the guide is accurate, I really do. Everything else aside, I do genuinely want everybody to have good romance options in the game. I also get that people are very passionate about romances in BioWare games, more than I will ever be, and that as a result venting is something that's going to happen. I'm not here to tell you that you aren't allowed to be upset or vent about it.
However I'd like to remind people to please not take it out on each other. I have already kept this thread open 100% of the time in my Chrome for about a week now because of how heated things can get in here.
I'm also going to add this not as a moderator but as just a Human being: By all means reach out to the devs and get some dialogue on this going but for the love of all that is decent, do so with a calm mind and a civil tongue. Nothing good is going to come out of ranting at the developers and voice actors who likely didn't get the final say on these things or just posting things like "Fuck you!" to them.
By all means direct hate at the companies involved in this for the piss poor handling of it all, but the individuals? They're still just people and only one part of a very large team that gave us this game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:40:57 GMT
On the plus side, Reyes and Vetra My friend said Reyes was waiting for her in one playthrough, so I had a feeling he was a romance.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 17:40:59 GMT
So.. m/m players are the only demographic to not be able to get the achievement, with only 2 options. We're the only ones to get no squad option. Only ones to get just CC face NPCs. Wow. this part right here is the most problematic imo but overall it does seem that this game was a shit show in most aspects
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:10 GMT
We've literally watched Gil's romance on youtube, so... I've not watched it so I don't want to comment on its quality one way or another My point is we have, so we are able to say whether it has adequate content or not.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:15 GMT
Damn. Looks like gay men are getting the shaft (puns!) when it comes to romances this time around. No Jaal and Gil's stuck on the tempest... Welp, I'm still happy since I get to bang Cora, PB, and Vetra since I'm a bi dude! Life is great! Thank god for that heteropatriarchy, amright, fellas. ... Yeah, even sarcasm isn't making this less sucky. Sorry for everyone who got their hopes up.
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:15 GMT
And with that, if you'll excuse me...
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Post by ruffian on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:20 GMT
I read different 'leaks' on other sites that seemed to confirm gaycaravaggio's leak but I didn't want to believe it. What's worse is that those people also said that this was a deliberate attempt not to piss off homophobic players. Bioware really needs to make up it's mind. Either they should embrace their reputation as a progressive company and provide well-written fleshed out gay content, or they should just drop the act entirely. Right now, they've somehow managed to piss off both sides which is a pretty impressive feat. not having a m/m squadmate romance, or Jaal being straight, while understandably upsetting to people doesn't mean their other gay characters are any less well done.... Its unfortunate they're not in the main squad and such, but unless Gil and Reyes are poorly written in their own right I don't think we can extrapolate too much. There are two m/m options with generic NPC faces and Gil doesn't even seem to have 10 minutes worth of romance content. That's not 'well done'. That's the team not even trying.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:33 GMT
No! I fell asleep, did I miss something bad? The thread jumped like 30 pages. :/ Prima guide says Jaal is for female Ryder only.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:47 GMT
I read different 'leaks' on other sites that seemed to confirm gaycaravaggio's leak but I didn't want to believe it. What's worse is that those people also said that this was a deliberate attempt not to piss off homophobic players. Bioware really needs to make up it's mind. Either they should embrace their reputation as a progressive company and provide well-written fleshed out gay content, or they should just drop the act entirely. Right now, they've somehow managed to piss off both sides which is a pretty impressive feat. not having a m/m squadmate romance, or Jaal being straight, while understandably upsetting to people doesn't mean their other gay characters are any less well done.... Its unfortunate they're not in the main squad and such, but unless Gil and Reyes are poorly written in their own right I don't think we can extrapolate too much. Actually, we know all of Gil's romance and parts of Reyes. They're a couple flirts then fade to black, unlike Cora and Peebee's. We know FOR SURE they're less content. They are LESS done than the others and nothing you can say will change the receipts.
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Post by Zero on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:49 GMT
Yeah, I saw that. Though on the flip side at least it reads like Avela is without question one of the nonsexual romances since it states the culmination is a second kiss. Now I just have to hope Suvi is a nonsexual romance. Also, I guess that is the final word on Lexi. Yeah, I'm sorry I'd hoped for you she would at least be a romantic "fling" To be honest, if this was the end goal from the beginning, I totally understand the amount of people that left during development, wouldn't have want to be responsible for this shit either.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:56 GMT
There's no defending bioware for putting in an achievement that is actually impossible for gay men to get. They dont have an excuse. If the romances mostly end up in exclusivity could it be possible they are angling for encouraging repeated playthroughs?
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 17:41:59 GMT
The guide has been wrong before. See: Kaidan in ME3. I'm not counting Jaal's code out yet. On the other hand, if this is true... LOLNOPE, no dollars from me, Bioware. So upset on behalf of m/m players. This is some grade-A clueless shit if it's legit. :smh: Everybody go play DA and revel in having choices. I think it's probably about time for me to re-play my canon inquisitor and revel in the Dorian love
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 17:42:02 GMT
Look, don't harass the devs or anyone, but I want to hear some kind of comment on why they would do this. I really didn't expect it to be this bad.
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Post by grillcheesekeldon on Mar 20, 2017 17:42:29 GMT
Its unfortunate they're not in the main squad and such, but unless Gil and Reyes are poorly written in their own right I don't think we can extrapolate too much. Well, they are shortly done, compared to Cora. Gil's section is so short, I was beginning to wonder if those youtube videos were correct.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 17:42:46 GMT
not having a m/m squadmate romance, or Jaal being straight, while understandably upsetting to people doesn't mean their other gay characters are any less well done.... Its unfortunate they're not in the main squad and such, but unless Gil and Reyes are poorly written in their own right I don't think we can extrapolate too much. There are two m/m options with generic NPC faces and Gil doesn't even seem to have 10 minutes worth of romance content. That's not 'well done'. That's the team not even trying. I mean if we added up all the romance scenes and talk for the companions I doubt its significantly longer. I'm staying unspoiled though so I won't be watching this stuff.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 20, 2017 17:42:53 GMT
And with that, if you'll excuse me...
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Post by Fredward on Mar 20, 2017 17:43:19 GMT
The game sophistry guy - what's his name on here? He said Jaal was bi, right? What evidence did he have? If someone knows his name on here, could they tag him so we can ask for clarification again in view of the Prima guide? He also said Vetra is straight. Which is just... weird. Wrong about both? After he's been churning out so much content? Mistaken or trolling?
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 20, 2017 17:43:38 GMT
I'm actually not surprised that Gil gets a shorter romance (EQUAL CONTENT BETWEEN SQUADMATES AND CREWMATES MY ASS) and that jaal is straight lmao.
I can safely say I'm not buying this game
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Post by jf8350143 on Mar 20, 2017 17:43:56 GMT
Looks like Reyes has almost as much content as the squad mate romance, so maybe Bioware believe that's enough for the gay people, but I really don't think they would be that stupid( or arrogant), let's hope I'm right on this one.
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Post by byne on Mar 20, 2017 17:43:57 GMT
Sigh....Well, thats what i thought. Didnt one leak mention that it was mandated by EA to appease the Anti-SJWs though? Because if so Bioware may not be to blame. So to appease anti-SJWs they cut m/m romances, but left in multiple f/f romances, as well as trans characters and audio logs talking about asari's preferred pronouns? I dont think so. Blame BW.
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